Furniture Finishes and Choosing Sofa For My Living/Dining Room
Ramona
May 30, 2014 in Design Dilemma
Dear Houzz friends. I need help choosing finishes for my dining room chairs and buffet. Both are vintage and excellent quality. I am thinking of doing a silver finish on the chairs. I don't want to overdue the silver, but am thinking of doing it on the china cabinet also. My nesting tables are screaming for a different finish also. I don't want shabby chic on these pieces.

I also need help with my color scheme. Originally, I was going to buy a pale yellow and natural Ethan Allen rug for the living room area; however, the price deterred me. I will not be in this home more than three more years and I didn't want to spend big bucks on a rug that wouldn't fit in my retirement home. The present lattice design rug was a bargain from OKLane, but was supposed to be silver. Instead it is a blue lavender which just happened to match the back of the shelving I had repainted.

There are a number of problems with this room.

My plans are to buy a couch and ottoman and parallel the fireplace and bookcases with it. No other arrangement is possible because there are so few walls and so many entrances to this room.

Please look at my ideabooks for a sense of my style and more pictures of all of this.

I'm counting on my Houzz friends to help me finish all this.

PLEASE help me with furniture finishes and finalizing color scheme.

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Ramona
Linda, Less is trying to come up with a version of the Weinrib ikat I am in love with so that I can have it printed. Once we get that fabric settled on, I will look for some complimentary fabrics, so that I have at least two different fabrics for the sofa pillows.

Karen is suggesting a batik design for the top of the table in the form of fabric or a stencil.

If ikat is going out of style, I will deal with it. No one I know has it.

I like the look of script in general, but I think French script on a chair is not French style.
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Ramona
You mean the zebra print chairs? Yes, they are just redone, practically brand new. They are a known brand name now out of business. I got them on Craigslist and had them refinished and reupholstered.

I might change the fabric on the chair next to the bookcases as it probably won't work with whatever we add. Right now it works because I haven't added any strong colors into the living/dining area.

At this point, I am thinking I can handle the painting of the table and chairs if we go any one of the ways we have discussed.

I know who I want to refinish the cabinet, but he is very busy and I didn't want to call him in for an estimate until I was closer to knowing what I wanted.

So we are talking about $3,000 for the sofa and ottoman and whatever the cost of the refinishing of the cabinet.

I will sew the cushions and accent pillows for the sofa. I don't expect to need all that much yardage for that. Maybe another $ 300 at most.

Then there is the cost of the paint, glaze, etc. which isn't much but can add up.

I am really unsure what the refinisher will charge me.

What are you thinking about?
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Ramona
I want something that looks like an updated French with a twist. No traditional French colors. Instead of bright blue, blue lavender. I want to add some glam with the metallic finishes.

Does glam, French country for the 21st century make sense as a style description? I like Coastal, but not too much. Light touches of it here and there.

I like mixing Shaker and French, but there is no more room for anything Shaker in this room.

Soft and welcoming like a woman's body, but spare. When I told a friend without design sense that I liked simple French, she said there is no simple French.

How would you describe these rooms? I have a lot of pics in my ideabooks, but some are for color or just how one element in the room works.

I could tell you what I like about each of these rooms, but for the most part, everything in these.

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Ramona
Karen, please look at the two first sofas in my living/dining ideabook. All the other sofas are compromise choices. I would get the Ethan Allen one in a second, but am dubious of quality. The second one is Sherrill. I found a comment of yours somewhere which listed all the quality brands and searched them for something that looked like the EA Paris sofa. I have no idea what the Sherrill would cost. I actually like it better than the EA.
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Ramona, can I get a close-up of the zebra chairs. I want to understand if they are really gray?
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I'm wanting to know if your gray has an undertone of yellow or blue. I very much like elizabeth's china cabinet color which can be tweaked to remember your chairs. They don't need to be the same value but they do need to come from the same family of gray. I think this would be a big step toward your neutral palette. I also want to know how your zebra print works with your rug (to your eye). Would love to hear from you the relationship you see in color, scale and pattern between the two Always remember, I am at the mercy of a monitor. LOL
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Ramona
The chairs are white washed and the zebra is a pale, pale sage. If anything, the wood on those chairs has pink undertones. In the store, the zebra fabric had already faded to something less than sage. Originally, the fabric was chosen to go with the EA rug below, but when I saw the trellis rug on sale and it was supposed to be silver, I bought it from OKL. The EA rug is actually pale yellow between the leaf trellis pattern. The EA designer thought the chairs and the rug were great together, but I hesitated to spend $ 1,700 on a rug when I don't even know if it will fit in my mythical retirement home.

If you think the rug is a problem, it can go into my bedroom where it is a perfect fit. (I may have ruined my bedroom rug, but am waiting for a warm day with energy to see if I can take it outside and shampoo it clean. Don't ask.)

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I have not purchased the EA; the one I have can be moved into the bedroom if we decide it is a problem. Then I would have to decide about whether to spend more and buy a carpet. I love wool sisal, but a good one won't be much cheaper than the EA trellis.

I don't understand about not seeing yellow with the white/off-whites.

Linda, the chandy stays. I had limited choices with the builder as the lighting store had a large collection of things that were not to my liking. I wanted simple at that point anyway.
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I'm thinking you can have neutral soft base colour of cream for one room and an of white base for another room. If you like that blend. Whites are a little crisper. Cream is so soft and neutral and soothing.
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Oh, and I am just not at all sure about the zebra pattern and the rug. The rug was supposed to be silver, but when it arrived, it clearly was not.
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I like the idea of living room with light sage zebra chairs, pale yellow walls, off white sofa. periwinkle accents.
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I would change the rug in the living room.
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LB, this is part of the issue. This is one room, but clearly two different spaces. By the way, all the woodwork in the house is a white/white and it is impossible to change that out because you can see moldings for many rooms from the living/dining room.

So when you say I can have a neutral cream in one room and an off white base in another room, which rooms are you discussing?
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I would use the trellis on pillows or small items, not in a rug or large items.
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Cream in dining as the base for the furniture to add a wash and use silver accents.
Whites in living room as a base. If sofas are not whitish, then choose a soft light color you will never tire of.
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Periwinkle is a favorite of mine, but I find it gets applied to a lot of dissimilar colors.
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I definitely want white/cream sofa in one of those Sunbrella type fabrics which are now coming out in many different textures.
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Your inspiration photos are great. You have the right idea. Sage and lavender, periwinkle, blue, yellow will be interesting and beautiful.

With white sofas, for wall paint, I would either use 'cool' color, periwinkle or blue. For 'warm' color, pale yellow. Other items will fall into place.

For dining room, I would use the pale blue walls that I believe you have.

I'm not seeing anything that you have is gray tone?
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To carry the coastal vibe and other white molding, I would probably paint the doors to the sunroom white, same as molding trims. The other side of the doors can be stained if it works for the sunroom.
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I really like this rug. Blue but with blue and periwinkle in a room this color can work with those colors. Just need repetition of both periwinkle and blue. Repeating colors throughout the room in different values of those colors, depending if you want all soft colors or a small spark of a richer tone.

Are the zebra chairs to be opposite the white sofa?

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Oooops looked at the sunroom wall paint. I changed my mind and would probably use a lighter (than sunroom) blue or periwinkle for the living room paint, or if you want more contrast from one room to the other, I would use pale yellow for living room paint.
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You don't have to have one room periwinkle accents and the other blue, or other yellow only.

In the living room I would use all these colors (carefully) in the same room. This will give you the soft feeling and coastal feel. If soft teal or soft seafoam is an option, I might use that too or replace with another color for more interest. The Key here is to use the same tonal values in the colors regarding their saturation. Keeping everything soft.
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Ramona
Wait, wait. This is all one room guys. I will post a picture which shows you that. Also, the entire space is open to large hallway and stairwell and even kitchen.

No painting please. I am sticking with my pale buttercream walls. There is no place at which to stop the color change.

All the trim in the house is a white, white.

And what happened to my lavender/blue? That was my one insistence as far as adding color.

This house is underwater (I owe more than it is worth). I can't put money into the house. Now buying furnishings I can take with me is fine.

I'm not sure how long I am going to keep working. The main issue is that I cannot sell the house and retire because I would lose everything I put into it and more. It is a lovely house on a 22 acre park with ponds and a golf course, but the r/depression has hit Michigan especially hard and prices, although starting to rise again, are far from good.

My lavender blue guys, please.

Less is working on the fabric. Did you all forget?
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Ramona
All one big rectangular room with four entrance points, including French doors and a fireplace wall, so there are not a lot of walls or options for dividing.
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Ramona
I found the picture I had in my ideabook which shows how the room is all open. Also, yes, the idea is to put the sofa across from the fireplace, leaving the French chairs flanking the fireplace.

The wingback chairs, which are recliners, then go into the sunroom. The sofa goes where the wingback chairs are.

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I love French doors. Way more "French" than French script :-)
I have yet another "thing" today so will be out of the loop for a bit but back as soon as I can. May all be well and happy.
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This mornings photo at the widest angle I can take.

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Also, when I put purple up against the zebra chairs, it looks beautiful. The chairs read neutral, not green. Technically, they are sage, but they do not say sage if that makes any sense.
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I think you ight want to consider a loveseat size sofa., if you will be downsizing. It looks like you will have enough chairs in the home to take with you to arrange another living room in your new place. A smaller sofa will be more versatile, unless you think you will need the average length for other reasons.
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Use all your favorite colors in smaller items and accessories and art. Use neutrals for large upholstered items, I think that is your direction anyway?

Use accessories to introduce your favorite colors. In your new home you can paint walls with some of these non-neutral colors to work with the accessories.
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Looks like my suggestion for the pale yellow for the living room is pale buttercream that is already there : )
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Ramona
I can fit a smaller regular size sofa. Ethan Allen came and measured. There really is room. It is a deceiving space. I will see if I can uncover her floor plans and post them. I want to be able to lay down on the sofa and I am tall.

Paris Bench-Cushion Sofa
Dimension:78" w x 38" h x 45" d

It will fit.
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Then a longer sofa is best for you. I was just thinking of smaller living room? in new home.
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That's a good size!!
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I knew from the beginning that my urge to go neutral in the living room would clash with my urge to see color.

LB, as you saying I shouldn't do blue/purple/lavender cushions on the dining room chairs?

I am lost.
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Oh no, not saying that. Any furniture pieces that will go with you, Choose your own taste and colors. Go for it. Your taste will entice and create difference for potential buyers. You have great taste!!!
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Your neutrals for larger pricer furniture is all around a great decision. You can pump up your design sensibility with pillows, art and accessories in 'all' your favorite colors and tones.
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Living room coffee table ?

Something like this in a lighter color for coffee table. Maybe a more rustic finish.
Mountain House

Something like this with a lighter top, silver or gold wash
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Would your nesting tables work for coffee table group? washed or faux finish for a softer feeling. Or do you have a specific place you will be using them?
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Saw the photo of your nesting tables. I think I would leave those in the color and finish that they are. If there are other wood tones on furniture legs or frames in the room to repeat the color. I would remake the round end table.
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Ramona
Karen, did you delete your ideas for stencilling and painting??? I really liked those ideas. Please don't throw anything out until we all agree on a direction. I know it was over the top color, but that is what part of my soul wants to do. We are both feeling lousy right now, so we can take it slow. I loved those ideas. They are the other half of me.

LB, the nesting tables are intended to go on one end of the sofa. I could use them as a coffee table group. That appeals to me. I want an ottoman in any case so that someone can sit next to me on the couch and I can have my feet up while watching my "films" -- I write about film from a particular scholarly perspective. I found that I don't like coffee tables much for functionality. If I am entertaining, I could put the nesting tables around and use tray on ottoman. The nesting tables might not bother me so much if we get the medium brown finish off the chairs and cabinet.

I forgot to tell you all: I am not enamoured of brown in any sense at this point of my life. Now I do love black on some furniture.

Now, about the rug. As I said in the beginning, I was supposed to get an Ethan Allen pale yellow with sisal color leaves in trellis pattern. I thought this rug was silver and it was a bargain. I was hoping we could make it work with the chairs. I am guessing most of you don't like it with the chairs. Purple looks great on those sage zebra French chairs.

Could I do lavender pillows on white/cream sofa and purple on the French chairs? If I did that, would it help the rug issue?
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Ramona
Linda, I can't delete your comments, only you can. I was looking at Chesterfield because I found some bargains in that style. That first leather one looks like a bargain. The second, I do not care for.

That Horchow is a great price and eight way hand tied, but the cotton is sure to be delicate don't you think? It is a great find!!!

I wish I knew what the Sherrill sofa below goes for. I love it.

I am going to post my first two choices side by side here although I thought I did that. My brain goes wonky when my body gets too bad.

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First, what are you labeling the colors that you see in the diagonal rug?
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By the way, You could possibly use medium and small nesting tables for coffee table and the taller one for a side table because it might be too tall in the group of three to be a coffee table option.
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I think I would use the ottoman as a coffee table rather than as a second seat for a guest. It would be uncomfortable for a film duration without a back.

I think I would pull another arm chair to the sofa side for a guest.. Whether it is housed in another room or the same room.
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Ramona
The colors in the trellis rug are cream and a grey (was supposed to be silver) but the grey has blue lavender in it which is why I kept it.
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Then I would find pillows that are gray blue lavender. I would definitely want to see some gray blue lavender in the room elsewhere to carry the rug color from a distance or up close.

If the color leans more gray/blue, use that. If the color is gray/lavender, use that with other blue pillows and lavender pillows.
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I think that is doable. I can't remember the rules about putting one color next to another to see undertones, but when I put black on the rug, I can see the grey, when I put lavender on the rug, I can see the lavender. When I put my grey linen shirt on the rug, it looks grey. When I put blue shirt on rug I don't see blue at all.
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Linda, I found an online site that will give me a quote. But ultimately I was thinking of Lenoir. I just want to get a ballpark first.

LB, I wasn't saying the ottoman would be a second seat for a guest. I am not communicating well since not feeling well.

I could be on one side of couch with my feet up and guest could be on other with feet down and/or maybe sharing ottoman. Worse case scenario, pull recliner in from sunroom if we have more people who want to indulge in theater experience.
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Linda, quit bragging about being at the pool! Haha!! :)
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Health comes first. Don't stress on this. We have patience.
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Probably the wrong blue with the rug. There are undertones of blues. Gray blue, purple blue, green blue etc. Need to find the blue that can work. Same goes for the lavenders and purples.
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Thrift store ? Something like this?
Coffee table or a finish for the dining table in your chosen color preferences.

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Linda, the bookcases are a double wide in the middle and two singles on each side. There is no room for them in the sunroom. I'd be covering a window!! The bookcases are not filled because I am too exhausted to pull more from the study and arrange the best looking ones that I don't need often in the study. The idea was to use them -- I had them in the garage, unpainted till this winter. That way I can make my study bookcases look a lot nicer, have room for nice accent pieces and do the same in the living room. The Ethan Allen decorator, who I liked a lot but had to quit to take care of her mother, thought having books in my living room made the space more me.

There are never enough shelves. I have a lot of sorting and arranging to do.

LB, I can't get the idea of stenciling the dining table out of my mind. I really like the idea.
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Conversation piece. People walk around it to read it : ) Here's a coffee table that I crackled and then stenciled. Added hummingbirds and butterflies. Client chose the following. I added special script to the outside edges. ... You are the wind beneath my wings .... Love is always the perfect gift ... Savour every memory .... Isn't life sweet .... Take time to laugh, it's the music of the soul ...You are the star for which all evenings wait.
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Beautiful work, LB!
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Okay, if I curved the stencil on my table and then left the center blank, I wouldn't have trouble with the pattern on the extension leaf? I have to admit that I am more attracted to the all over patterns though.

Linda, the chairs in the sunroom are throw aways. Not the ones at the table, the ones you can barely see to the far left. That is where the recliners will go. Actually, I have to do something and get that sofa because I am not using my sunroom the way I want to. My mother appropriated that room, and I have not yet made the transition to sitting there in her place.
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Thank you indomom.
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You could do an allover stencil design on the table. Just not sure if you would like one that is one directional. It's hard to find a stencil that is not though. I somehow am picturing an all over design on the table, and think it is not as classy or upscale for a look for a table top. I think other designs are classier. If this makes any sense. Maybe it's just my personal preference. : )
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Okay, I have been off shopping for fabric and actually found the batik that Karen had used as an example and deleted.

Some of these are for Less, so she can see other Ikat patterns I like.

Given that we are probably going to find a way for the grey in my rug to work, I have found some grey ikat which I can use for pillows and pipe in blue or lavender or a print with both colors in it. Fabrics.com has upgraded their site so it is much easier to use although they still need a few tweaks. So here we go:

The first one is described: Designed by Lunn Studios for Robert Kaufman, this Indonesian batik is perfect for quilting, apparel and home décor accents. Colors include shades of grey, shades of lavender and shades of pale yellow. So this fabric would tie the rug to the walls and to the lavender in the other places.

Descriptions for the others are in my ideabook. I am thinking to tie the rug to lavenders used elsewhere, making a grey ikat pillow and piping made out of a fabric with lavender and blue, maybe one of the first. When you make a piping out of a print, the design disappears for the most part and what the eye sees is the combination of colors.

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LB, what if I used this stencil on a cream background with silver where the blue is? I could glaze the cream before I applied the stencil and then the effect would be very muted and soft.

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OMG. I just got a $ 1745 quote on that Sherrill sofa. If I buy $ 2,500, delivery is free!!! The ottoman is expensive: $ 800.

The sales rep is checking on whether the fabric he priced it at is performance fabric.

This is what I call great news.
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That is great news!
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Stencil. That would look very nice and subtle and still neutral. I'm assuming you mean to paint a solid cream color, then overlay a bronze glaze mixture by wiping some off to be a sheer finish. Then apply the stencil with silver. GREAT IDEA. Beautiful.
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Ramona, I'm pretty sure that one way to make sure that the pattern matches when the leaf is in would be to pick something that either has a repeat equal to the width of the leaf or one with a repeat that evenly divides into the size of your leaf (e.g., if your leaf is 18" wide, a pattern with a 6" repeat or 9" repeat). As long as you work from the middle seam of your table out, then in theory the pattern should still line up regardless of whether your leaf is in or out. Hopefully I explained that clearly.
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Very good idea Elizabeth. Great way to not spin your wheels making things line up. Never thought of that.
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Thanks LB! Btw, that coffee table you posted earlier turned out really well. Nice work :)
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Oh, and Ramona, I like your idea of doing the stencil in silver over a cream background. LB's suggestion to do a bronze glaze over the cream first would give it an extra dimension. You could also experiment with doing the bronze glaze over both the silver and the cream--might give you a little more of an aged look. I think either way would look very nice.
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Thank you Elizabeth!
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Okay, so if I went that direction with cream, bronze glaze, silver stencil, what would you suggest for the bottom, just the same cream with bronze glaze. Then, depending how the Ralph Lauren paint looks and applies, we could go silver with the chairs.

This would leave a lot of options for the cabinet. So given the table will be mostly cream, the chairs probably silver, what does everyone think about the cabinet finish choices?

The fabric for the Sherrill, while beautiful is linen cotton which will destroy with spills. However, they will do customers own material, called COM??, but the charge is higher. Sherrill does not have performance fabrics; however, I know how to find fabric online, sooo.

For sofa - 13 yards/54" fabric -- $ 1850 -- spring down cover cushions.

For ottoman - 7.5 yards/54" fabric -- $ 850

This is doable.
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I like the idea of keeping the table legs simple with the cream and bronze glaze.

For the cabinet, you really do have a lot of options. One possibility would be to do the majority of the cabinet also in the cream with bronze glaze, and then maybe do the back of the cabinet in silver to match the chairs (assuming you go that direction with the chairs)? You could also paint the inside of the drawers and solid cabinets (the cabinets with the solid doors) with purple to give you a little hint of purple (you wouldn't see it most of the time, but it might make you smile whenever you are getting things out of the cabinets).
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Hello - so much to catch up on!
here are some design revisions. I actually went back to my first try as it seemed more in spirit with the MW ikat. Still have to speak/chat with spoonflower on sizing for repeats and positioning for repeats.
Larger shown (as in a yards worth) and detail (so you can get an idea of what might appear on a cushion)
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I like them both. These are two slightly different ones, right? Why the line across the lavender one on the right?

I think the black one is more MW, but I really like the lavender one too. Wow. Less, when I come to California, you are getting a big treat from me.
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Line as in white line? I just (in my zeal) negelected to push that set of tiles absolutely next to the others :-) The black one is new and in the large view has been "pieced" rather than repeated. It has (especially in the close up,) in MO a zebra like quality too.
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Another 20 x 20 section of that one
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Oh, I erased it from the thread. Won't do that again. So sorry! :)
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Bronze and silver can work together. Why not? Gold and silver work.
As long as there is repetition in both metallics. If there is some silver in the stencil table top, silver chairs and solid silver table 'legs', they will all work together.
This is the finish we like on this table.


Cream/bronze/silver example

The lightest colors in this mirror would be similar for the cabinet, table top (like the table photo we like)

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Guys, please tell me about how you feel about the Sherrill sofa with the Sherrill ottoman. That ottoman is pricey. I want to make sure that they will be good together.

I am furiously ordering fabric samples to do COM on these pieces.

Please advise me on which ottoman you think is best!!

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Going through Lenoir, the prices are:

Sofa -- $ 1575
ottoman -- $ 730

delivery -- $ 265

Plus my material costs

sofa takes 13 yds/ 54

ottoman takes 7.5 yds/54

I did not price out the smaller ottoman, but I would guess about $ 500

The other place, I liked the guy I was talking to very much gives free shipping if you buy $ 2500. I doubt they have the COD issues Lenoir has as he didn't mention it.

I am going to stay open to using both vendors till I figure out all of this. The Conn guy might meet the Lenoir price if I tell him about it.

Their prices

For sofa - 13 yards/54" fabric -- $ 1850 -- spring down cover cushions.

For ottoman - 7.5 yards/54" fabric -- $ 850


No delivery charge
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There wasn't a problem with the COD, just different. Forces me to pay it off I guess :) I would love to help you but I don't think I can. To be honest, the sofa/ ottoman isn't my style. I do like having the back be a single piece though. I assume it would look better with your fabric choices than what is being pictured there? I would guess you are correct in that EA isn't worth the cost so go with quality.
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I prefer the bigger ottoman but think it might look odd in comparison to the sofa size, so the smaller one might be better.
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Ramona I like the ottoman to the right of the sofa but please take my vote with a grain of salt I dn have any idea which fits best in the over all look of the room.
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Here are some of the fabric samples I am ordering

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[houzz=Sunbrella Outdoor Shadow Snow - Discount Designer Fabric - Fabric.com]
[houzz=Hollywood Water Repellent Upholstery Ivory - Discount Designer Fabric - Fabric.c]
[houzz=Nautica Indoor/Outdoor Coastal Cove Sand Dune - Discount Designer Fabric - Fabri]
[houzz=Zoom Sueded Felt Ivory - Discount Designer Fabric - Fabric.com]
[houzz=Vintage Suede White - Discount Designer Fabric - Fabric.com]
[houzz=Richloom Solarium Outdoor Rave Vanilla - Discount Designer Fabric - Fabric.com]
[houzz=Artisan Batiks Spring Mod 2 Petal Splash Thistel - Discount Designer Fabric - Fa]
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Ramona

I love the zoom ivory, it's gorgeous - MO
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I like the vintage suede white and then the zoom ivory. I prefer a neutral for major items(:(:(: but that's just MO
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The sofa is going to be neutral. The other fabrics are for accents. I never seem to post the right thing. My bad.
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I "think" (purely my opinion) that an ottoman without a skirt would be better. The sofa has a skirt and with one on the ottoman too, it just feels a little too "boudoir" to me.
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Sorry Ramona i think you did say the sofa was to be neutral(: I really like the artisan Baltics regal scroll jewel
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I agree with lessismoore. No Skirted ottoman. Especially in smaller spaces or possible downsized room later. It can look too heavy too.
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I love both the prints for pillows. I'd use both.
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A thought, if you are tall, will the sofa back be okay for you on the sherrill or one like it?
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Sherrill has a storage ottoman. I will study further tomorrow.

LB, my legs are the taller portion of my height. Yes the back height of the sofa will be fine. I will snuggle into the pillows and put my feet up on the ottoman.

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I like that last ottoman that you posted Ramona.
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For sofa fabric, I think I would stay with an off white. So versatile.
I also like the Nautica Coastal, It's warm with the Artisan Spring pillows would be nice.

If you will be using lavenders, purples, blues, yellows, for pillows and accessories and art - for sofa choose a neutral, off white, beige or pale yellow fabric that works with all four colors.
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Me too, the last ottoman.
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Yes, I like the last ottoman the best by far. I don't like the skirts on the others.
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Yes, I ordered all those samples because monitor color is a problem and who knows what the colors really are. They were all classified as white/off white. Even the really yellow looking ones.

I would like some solid lavender pillows on the sofa. That can all be adjusted as we move forward. The Artisan Batiks Spring is good if I keep the rug because it has some grey in it. I can use it for cording on some of the other pillows too in order to tie everything together.

The Nautica is the most expensive, so of course, I like that the best. Never fails.
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Nautica has a nice texture that caught my eye too.
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Chesterfield was a compromise. I want something more French and less English ideally.

Stef likes the Ethan Allen Paris better, but what do the rest of you think?
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I really like the sofa Karen found!
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The Ebay ad says local pickup only, but I emailed asking if I arranged shipping would they sell to me. Can't beat that price!!!
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Like newest ottoman choice much better. On fabrics, I liked the sunbrella linen canvas, it looked more like a "soft" white rather than a bright white which should be better with the buttercream walls too.
On the dining set ... I find myself thinking that a cream and silver CH (with bronze glaze) and a matching dining table with an additional pattern on top, and chairs with more and brighter silvers ... seems too much. You love fabric, you love that lavender blue color, so I'm afraid that as you accessorize, you will end up with a "wedding cake" of a room (which I don't think you want, ultimately). You already have lattices, zebra stripes, and maybe down the road an ikat (or even 2?) plus some batik ... so I find myself getting concerned. While every object, taken on it's own is lovely, they all have to work together towards a final result and in a world of pretty things it's hard to exercise restraint (I have this issue; if one is great, why not 50!) . Just a note of caution you may/or may not need :-) The image is for laughs only!
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Wow, Ramona, if you snag that deal, that's fantastic!

I am with Less. Didn't want to say anything originally as everyone was so excited but I agree. You have some time to check out different options before any final decisions are made. I found taking time to weigh options has really helped with my buyers remorse.
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I agree that much seems like it is being added, but remember all these things are brainstorms and nothing has been purchased, except for samples and I did buy half a yard each of the batik fabrics as they couldn't be sampled. They can go into my fabric stash for pillows in other rooms too.

I am concerned about what some of you think about the rug versus the zebra versus the Old Violet paint on the bookcases. For some reason, the old violet is photographing as bright blue. It is quite dull and meshes with the rug color almost exactly.

I am concerned that the zebra which I see as quite neutral in every way seems to not look good next to the rug to some of you. The rug could be moved into the bedroom, where it would go just beautifully. However, if the zebra chairs are going to limit my pillow choices, I will be upset because I spent a lot on reupholstering them and had the Ethan Allen decorator out to the house. She didn't seem to think that the trellis pattern rug from Ethan Allen was a problem with the chairs and what I planned to do with the sofa. Maybe she didn't catch that I planned to have many different pillows on the sofa eventually.

By the way, I am not enamoured of Ethan Allen though I have purchased a chest and floor lamps from them and then the fabric for the zebra chairs.

The wheatback chairs are vintage maple and are definitely high quality and stamped underneath Made in Italy. The china cabinet is Dixon Powder Maker, a high quality brand from the South which is out of business. I realize that it might look a little 60ish in its details, but it is a better made piece than you could get today without going very high end. The back is solid wood, it has felt insert for silver and pull out tray which I guess was for sorting and folding linens. The French bergere chairs are Meyer, Gunther, Martini, also a high quality brand out of business.

I suppose checking out the ikat against the zebra chairs is the most important next step? I have some ikats around the house to put against them. I was thinking it wouldn't matter if the ikat was across the room.

Step, please don't hold back. That is what you are all here for to help me out of this mishmash that I inadvertently started. I was committed to getting high quality pieces instead of the junk that most stores sell and couldn't afford to go to the next higher level. Now with Lenoir, it seems more than possible.

There are no good stores in my area at all. One furniture store which gets better brands with no competition at all. Then we have something called Art Van. People actually think they are getting good stuff from Art Van.

Anyway, this is all at brainstorming stage.

I will let you know when that sofa seller gets back to me.
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Definitely at the brainstorming stage. I think you will have an easier time moving forward once you see the fabrics in your room with your lighting. I like the rug with the zebra chairs and you'll just have to play around with pillow fabrics to see what looks best. Still a wonderful work in progress :)
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Don't worry, Ramona, I won't. I just thought it was more the brainstorming phase. Nothing wrong with considering lots of options at that point.
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I think the zebra chairs and the rug are fine btw.
But as you said, the rest are still brainstorming ideas and not all need be implemented!
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I pulled out the Annie Sloan chart I have which is the actual paint on chips. Old violet looks grey on that chart and when I put it up to the bookcases it matches perfectly. I will try to scan it, but my flatbed scanner is not set up right and it is too thick to put through the high quality feed sheeter.

So are you ready Karen? I paid $ 80 for the chairs off Craigslist, but the material and upholstery were not inexpensive. I fell in love with that zebra material in the Ethan Allen showroom where the fabric had already faded. The designer made sure I knew they would be more sage, but I thought I could make them blend. I also had the chairs whitewashed but the refinisher went further than I wanted. I almost sanded some of the wash off, but again, EA designer thought they would look fine with the fabric.

I just received an ikat sample which I forgot I had ordered. It really looks grey, not even violet, let alone lavender. I am going to take a picture of it on top of the zebra chairs, but I can't yet because I left my iphone in my friends car and have to wait till later today to get it back.

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Linda, the only real sofa I ever owned (don't ask how poor I was even though teaching college since 22) was a well made sofa sleeper and I really liked it. I got rid of it when I had to sell my first house because I was convinced it was causing my back pain. It wasn't, but that sucker was so heavy I vowed to never buy a sleeper again. It was a good piece and I didn't even try to sell it. It was a stressful time and I just gave it away.
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Ramona, you seemed to really like the idea of stenciling the table, so that was part of the reason I was trying to help you come up with ways to make it work.

So, in the spirit of brainstorming, this is what I would do (you can obviously take it or leave it). I would paint the table and the cabinet with the same neutral color--either cream, white or a very, very light gray. You could do some very light accenting with another neutral color (i.e., if you did cream for the primary color, you could accent in light gray or vice versa) and possibly a glaze if you wanted a more antiqued look, but I would do a burnt or raw umber (non-metallic) glaze. I would choose a low sheen paint--flat or satin. Then, you could add silver to the back of the china cabinet--silver leaf, silver glaze, rub-n-buff, whichever look you like better with a non-metallic antiquing glaze to soften the silver (gets more of the look of the silver from those ladder back chairs you like).

I think you could still do your chairs in silver. Again, you could use which ever medium you end up liking the most. Finished with the cushions using the Ikat fabric.
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Also, I agree with Less--I don't think your zebra chairs or your rug are a problem.
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I actually think an ikat in the shade you just showed would look better (gray?) than a lavender blue. But my friends tell me I'm a tad conservative. I have the most boring wardrobe of anyone I know.
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Less, that fabric is being sold as purple. I am finding that my iphone is turning everything more blue than it is. Here is the fabric being sold as purple on my chair and rug.

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Great sofa find Karen!
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I think Ramona, the best way to see if you are liking print fabrics in the room is to place them in the positions they will go. Ikat on the sofa, not on the chair. Do that with all fabrics that are considerations for pillows. they are in separate spaces that can work together.

One thing to consider also, is some of us like minimal in color and prints. Some like the mix of several prints vs more simplicity. Both work. I do not have a problem with prints on the sofa. They will not be on the zebra chairs. Solid color that work with all, will be on the chairs. They are in different spaces and far enough away to work cohesively in the room.

That also goes for what you decide in the dining room. As long as you have some elements simple and some with design, choosing the cohesive approach where those elements go and how much of it, will make it work.
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The cabinet and table set have to have similar finishes on them in some areas to make them work together. You can add extra embellishments on either to make them work together.
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I'm not fond of gray in your mix, unless.......... you definitely have some other gray going on that is not subtle.
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A solid color for a pillow on the zebra chair, in your ikat fabric that you placed on the chair, looks like it would be beautiful with the rug too. That's what I'm seeing in your photos.
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Ramona - that last comparison photo was tres helpful and yes, the colors in your photos get super blued up!
I wondering if doing a design board would be helpful in visualizing how well the various elements all go together (especially with the too blue pix, and that we are looking at several pieces that would be adding/replacing elements that are not in their final state)? What is the color name of your wall paint? Does the annie sloan paint, in your room, look like the old violet chip on the internet?
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I don't like the idea of pillows on the MGM chairs.
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Yes, the 'authentic' sloan chip is very close to the on line color.

My wall color was done by a local company with their own formulas. I could take a swatch to SW and have them match it and maybe come up with a name.

The more I look at the rug, the more I realize it is grey, but with blue violet undertone.

I ordered a true grey ikat sample. We will see how that photographs against the rug. I will also try to figure out how to get better pictures. I don't have a digital camera. I have an old school half digital, half not. It is a great camera with panoramic view setting, but are there even film developing stores anymore? We've lived through another major technological change. I can get its pictures developed onto a disc.

I want to take a photography class, so I hesitate to buy a camera without advice from the online course people and that will cut into the decorating budget.

I can make a design board idea book after I get some of these samples so we can look at everything together before taking any major steps.

The sofa seller has not answered my email. I will wait to bid on it till tomorrow afternoon and keep trying to contact the seller. Like Karen said, may be an emergency situation in which people are just trying to get rid of things and don't even have time to dicker and answer emails.
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Color Board. I find it will not give you a good visual because the samples are disproportionate for the way they will be used in the room. The only thing that helps is for style and color coordination. Fabrics or art or accessories will not be to scale and placed where they will go without a photoshop rendering. You really do not get a true feeling from color boards.
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Okay, on the sofa Karen found, I just looked at Bernhardt site and there is no sofa with that configuration AND Bernhardt is now all sinuous springs!!! So I don't know about that sofa as I was trying to get 8 way hand tied. I wish I knew the history and the bidding is about to reach its end.

Emergency advice people.

I now have someone bidding on the sofa and there is no telling where they are willing to go.
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Oh boy, that seller does not know what s/he is doing because there are two postings for the same item, each ending at different times.

This is going to be a mess. I am going to stick with bidding in the earlier time frame, but that, and the fact that s/he is not answering my email means this person does not know what s/he is doing.

Also, it is 81" which is larger than I wanted to go. I can measure and see what that does to the arrangement.
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If you aren't happy with the construction and you have some other serious questions, I would drop it. It won't be cheap to have someone pick it up and ship it and you already have reservations plus not responding to any questions is odd. Stick to what you originally wanted. You can pick the fabric and feel more comfortable with the piece. That's my humble vote.
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Well, I don't know if this one does have eight way hand tied springs as they might have changed their construction methods very recently. This model is not on their site and every current model I have clicked on says sinuous springs. I think they are trying to clue the customer in to the change in their construction.
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Ramona, I would not bid on that sofa. She has not listed anything since 2004 and has very low feedback. You will be bidding, hoping that the person will agree to shipping terms, after the action has ended, which is unfair to the seller. And, if she isn't capable of answering an email, she probably isn't capable of completing the transaction. Way too many ifs, for both parties, bidding on that auction.
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Oh yes. Unless you get an email confirming at minimum that the seller will ship if you win bid, don't bid. They'll have your $$ via paypal and you'll be in a pickle unless you have an agreement.
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Here is another Sherrill that I like
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Ramona I love that sofa you posted above!!!
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My vote is the one with blue pillows. More streamlined and I am not a fan of skirts. I really like the tapered legs of it as well.
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They are both beautiful sofas. I like the first one best. (:(:(:
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another
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I am searching around because I get that a lot of you are not so fond of my first choice. I'm not sure what sets some of you off about the first choice. I wanted lots of womanly curves and love the roll that goes around the back. I do see that my first choice doesn't show as well somehow with the pictures I have.
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I don't know I like both the first one with blue pillows and the last one. I think I like the first one a tad bit better(:(:(;
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Just to clarify I like the first sofa with blue pillows and the one with the black flower pillows
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Okay, so I just had a longggg conversation with the owner of Lenoir, who is a good old boy with a lot of common sense.

He got Sherrill on the line and then talked to their rep on another line. Turns out that they do have Sunbrella but it isn't in their books yet and won't even be around to their dealers till July at the earliest, sooo, I am getting swatches directly from Sunbrella somehow and then we will work backwards from what I get. The swatches won't be marked with Sherrill numbers or grades.

He told me his whole childhood history and we lamented on the state of the world. I told him Stef had just bought from them and was very happy.

So guys: tell me what it is you don't like about my first choice, if you can, sometimes there is no way to articulate your response to something.
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No Karen, I don't want 80 inch. The plan was always in the 70-75 range. The original Ethan Allen was 72" or so.
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I like the original Sherrill that you posted and of the new ones, the first one (with blue pillows) and the tufted one.
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Here is a question. If I went with one of the two new styles with legs that I have posted, could I go back to that huge ottoman with the special skirt? It will be big, but this is the way I see it: two sets of legs can use it at the same time and/or a tray can sit on one side and my legs on the other and it is on wheels so I could easily move it forward during entertaining times when people are sitting, not relaxing and then it really becomes a big coffee table onto which I could even have two trays at a time for partying. It would almost be like a bench instead of an ottoman.
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Seller on the Virginia sofa finally got back to me. She is not interested in shippers. Too many things can go wrong, and she is right. The furniture I have purchased off Ebay has been damaged more often than not. I would buy furniture off ebay again, but I would be very, very careful about who shipped it and how I inspected it and how it came off the truck.
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Yes, large ottoman with legs and wheels would be a great idea for versatility. The only thing I questioned was the large size with a skirt and the bulky vision it would be.
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The yellow Sherrill sofa with back pillows looks more comfy than the button back.
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Yes, LB I realized that you all had a good point about the skirted sofa with that over the top ottoman or even the smaller ottoman, but I am wondering if seeing the over the top ottoman as a coffee table and going with a sofa without a skirt might change that perception.

Maybe my first choice could be made without a skirt although I am thinking that style is not conducive to legs.

I do have a hard surface problem in my house: too many hard surfaces and not enough stuffed furniture or carpet to absorb noise. A skirted sofa would help with all the bareness around.
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You can use a skirted sofa and a non skirted ottoman. Go with what you like. You are right, the skirt on the sofa will soften the hard lines and bareness that you mention.
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The white tufted one is too shallow to get comfy with pillows: 34 inches. The second choice with blue pillows is two inches deeper than the first choice and two inches higher which is good for me as two broken ankles make it difficult to get up from lower sofa.
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So right now, I am leaning away from the skirted first choice very French all curves to the second choice which more of you like, but probably only if you guys think that huge ottoman would work visually. One reason to lean away: seat depth and height. Another reason matching up with skirted ottoman.

I wish you guys could see the image in my head right now which is telling me how the skirted ottoman will read like a coffee table and be so easy to push back and forth. It's size relative to the sofa seems a problem, but maybe it is a problem only if we look at it in one way.
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Less, I hate to ask you for anything more, but do you think you could photoshop the sofa with the blue pillows with the long skirted ottoman?

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I also like this ottoman, but what would be the real difference between two of these and the skirted one above in front of sofa.

I realize I am taking a leap, so tell me if I am out of my mind.

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Ramona, I don't mind a skirt on the ottoman. I think what I'm not fond of is the fluffy feeling of the skirt. Maybe you can tailor the skirt with less box pleats? I think it would be sleeker and less fussy. On looking at it, they fashioned it that way to work with the breaks in the seat tufting areas. I don't know if that would work out right with less pleats?
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I think I like two separate ottomans. They would provide individual seating and are very easy to move and are very versatile in use. You can move them closer together or as pictured.

You might be arranging them often to line up right, if you have OCD like me : )
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I don't think they could make fewer pleats. Perhaps they could sew them down. But I am confused. People were saying the skirted couch with the skirted big ottoman was too boudoir and just too much.

Now I am saying, what about the new sofa without the skirt next to the pleated, fluffy ottoman.

I am in love with that ottoman. I think it is unique. Notice I did not incorrectly say 'very unique" -- that drives me crazy on design shows.

If you don't like the ottoman, you don't like it, so deciding whether it can be used with the sofa is moot because you are not liking it to begin with.

Those smaller ottomans are cute and a possibility, but I'm not sure I am liking them next to my French chairs. Maybe.
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lessismoore
Hi Ramona - I'd be happy to photoshop those together but ... I'm not sure I can do it in a convincing way from the room photos you currently have available here. Most furniture online will be a frontal view or a slight side view and the one that I can recall from your room set was from the back of the two chairs you have now (facing fireplace) I need a shot of room from the viewpoint of the fireplace. You may have that view here, but not sure which one it might be .... ?
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Yes, I thought you might need that. I can do it, but in the morning with more light. I will need to move the recliners and tables, etc. Thanks. I'll post them when I get them done tomorrow.
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Wendy
I love that ottoman too, Ramona. It is very Paris Apt. Not in love with the fabric they used. I would go for something much softer, more drapey.
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37" back height; 19 or more seat height

The blue pillow sofa is:

2132-72 sofa transitional H41 W72 D21 in. Crescent Front Arm Height: 29 in. Overall Depth: 41 in. Approx. Seat Height: 21 in
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lessismoore
I tooled back through all the photos to be sure (so view would have the book cases at the back right?) But I'm crossing my fingers for the new photo. :-)
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Yes, but you need an empty space in front. I might have something without the rug though.
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This is all blurred because my iphone was acting funny. I can't get into the fireplace to take a picture because it is gas with a glass cover.

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I can get an angled shot from the hallway in the morning.
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Was this last with u standing directly in front of fireplace? Can you tilt the camera vertically (to get more of the ceiling and floor) and take about 3 pix that way, stepping to the left, and then the right. Maybe I can join them for a more panoramic view? Don't even worry about the blur ... not enough to mention.
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I think I would like that ottoman better with that sofa if the ottoman didn't have tufting or the sofa had some element of tufting, maybe even just on some pillows? I think what might be throwing me is when I think of the type of sofas that you are posting I imagine them with a glass coffee table with pretty golden legs or something like that, maybe a solid wood table with thin lines, but not with an ottoman. But I also really think you should get what you love.
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Ramona, I love your house, especially that sunroom and its peaceful view. But, after last winter I can see why retirement in California would be your choice.

For the ottoman, why don’t you find one on eBay or Craigslist. They usually sell for pennies on the dollar. You can buy the sofa fabric and have a local upholster do it in any style – tufted or plain, skirted or not, wheels, etc. This could be something you could do once you have the sofa so you could see what options might work best.

Not sure where you are in Michigan, but here is a cute country French leg ottoman with storage for $75 that might do the job. Nice dimensions.

http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/fuo/4474862208.html

Ramona, I am guessing the woman in Virginia had a pair of sofas, hence the duplicate ads. If you like it, maybe you could use the shipper that delivered the sideboard to Stefanie, or ask them for a referral to a good shipper. They offered “white glove service.” Might be good to know for the future.

I like the first Sherrill sofa you posted. In fact, I have a pair Century sofas in that same crescent style in my guest house. I never tire of that style and they are so comfortable. I will probably keep them forever. Compared to the EA sofa, the thinner arms of the Sherrill should give you a longer cushion and interior width.

High arm sofas can limit the amount of space you have to lay down and have someone on the other end because your head and feet rather than being on the arm will have to be within the arms. Also makes it a little awkward for using end tables. The other downside is if you ever place your sofa perpendicular to your TV you don’t want to be looking around a high arm to see it. I know I made that mistake with a very expensive sofa and my husband hated it so it was gone within the year.

With that in mind it might be a good idea to get the interior length measurements of the sofas you are considering because the outside measurements can be the same but the inside length can differ a lot.

Years ago I bought a Sherrill sofa from Lenoir. At that time they let me select every option—skirt or no skirt -- pleated, ruffled, or flat skirt -- number of cushions and how they were made. My sofa was a chintz, had two down wrapped cushions with hooking tie downs, 8 way hand tied, etc. We loved it. Glad to see the great service and prices from Lenoir continues even today.

In the 15 years I owned that sofa, it saw a good deal of use in our family room. After all those years, the welt cord and the sides of the cushions remained in place without creeping, the crest on each of the cushions never flattened and that fabric wore like iron. There is nothing like a great sofa for the back and comfort. When we donated it to our local charity, the staff fought over who was going to buy it before it was even unloaded. They kept asking my husband why he was getting rid of a new sofa.

DINING ROOM FURNITURE

The fastest solution for your table is to do what the Ashbury Heights dining room did—drape it to the floor. Then you can change the look as often as you like and might help to deaden sound.

To minimize the spindles on the chairs you could either upholster the inside back with a flat piece to follow the contour of the wood OR add a button tufted thin pillow in this contour and loosely fasten it.

http://www.sasinteriors.net/2012/08/reupholstered-side-chair/

This painting technique sort of looks like the dining chairs you liked.
http://www.diynetwork.com/how-to/how-to-dress-up-a-dresser/index.html
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lessismoore
Tiffany, love the ottoman on craigs. Nice find. The upholstery link on the side chair has me inspired :-)
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Less, I am not doing well today and the light is awful here. Grey, grey day. So I will get those pictures up tomorrow hopefully.

Lee, I see what you are suggesting, but I don't want a coffee table. However, if I switch to the second choice with the blue pillows, do you think I can do the large tufted ottoman?
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Tiffany, great post. The woman with the sofa/s absolutely rejected using a shipper, so that is out. It was too long anyhow.

Great ideas in your post. One thing, I love those wheatback spindles. The problem with them is that silver leaf will be a horror to apply, so one of the new silver paints is almost required. Am not thinking of covering them up at all.

Ironically, I forgot to mention the MGM chairs had cane on the back and I had that changed to upholstered, so we are in the same zone. I also wanted a different fabric on the back, but after searching for two years, I finally just went with that zebra fabric which spoke to me.

The ottoman is a drive, but doable. The thing is, something in me wanted the sofa and ottoman to arrive at once and finished because I have so many other projects going. I will think about that ottoman which is definitely worth the drive for a bit. I just emailed the seller.

If I lay down on the sofa, it will be only me. I can't afford to get a longer sofa when I don't know what will fit in my retirement home. However, it is good to know the inside measurement. I know what you mean about higher arms and tv watching and tables. I prefer high end tables for that reason. My tv will be mounted on a wall in retirement home, so I think it will be easy to make it high enough to see. Actually, the reason I want a luscious ottoman has to do with wanting to snuggle down in those pillows when I am looking directly at tv which will let another person sit next to me, maybe doing the same thing if the ottoman is long enough OR lie down and be watching tv on my side when I am watching alone on those bad sick days and late at night.

I was looking carefully at the measurements and will try to remember to get the inside cushion measurement before final decision.

The idea of a full length tablecloth is wonderful!! I love them anyway and I could make several different ones. I could also place a simple square over the full length to remove and wash often. THANKS FOR THAT. It would give me time to decide what to do with table after I got chairs and cabinet done and I love the look!!!

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That ottoman is available, so I need to start thinking on it from point of view do I want another project right now. I actually might have enough fabric left over from the zebra chairs to do it in that fabric although I am quite dubious of going that direction. I would need to change the finish on the legs because I don't think I will like like dark legs so close to my MGM chairs. Great find and storage too. Almost too good to pass up. I could use it in my bedroom too. Dark green fabric will make me crazy. Will have to be changed at once.
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Table cloth is a great idea. Ramona, I should be working on that ikat ... but in the meantime, I sort of pieced together a living room view - tried to adjust colors for a more actual effect, the rug pattern is a bit off but I think you can get the gist of it. Must have new pillows tho ... :-)
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Well, Less, that is my vision. What do you guys think of it? I might put the ikat on that chair next to the bookcases too. I love that chair and even like the print on it and it is very nicely done. Another bargain piece from model home furniture my home builder was selling off. My mom loved sitting in it in her bedroom. It is comfy.
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Just posting the Ashbury picture closer to remind us all

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Ramona, thanks glad you liked the post.

On the ottoman, you are right it IS too good to pass up. Plus it is in the high rent district. Where are you in relation to West Bloomfield? I am familiar with the area. Why don't you ask the seller to meet you part way.

The ottoman can also be slipcovered for a faster project. The dimensions seem good for next to a sofa with a tray on top and the added storage is always useful. Lots of options to make the top any style you like and add the wheels Even if you had to hire someone to do it, cannot cost as much as buying the Sherrill one.

On the dining room chairs, I was suggesting that you only upholster the inside of the back not cover the spindles. This could look good if you have a constrasting fabric from the spindles. OR, you can make a pillow to fit inside the back that is removable.

If you go through Lenoir, I believe they can order the sofa fabric at a discount too.

I can do almost everything and have acquired a lot of knowledge. So, I know what you mean about projects--the more you learn how to do, the more you have on your plate. I just learned to repaired the washing machine and replaced 3 small motors in an hour with only a screw driver and for less than $20. That was faster than finding a good repair guy. Thank you You Tube!

Is your retirement home selected already? What area of California? I can tell you the weather is just wonderful today with balmy breezes coming in all the windows. Just saying. Smile!
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The sofa and ottoman looks like it is from a different family. Too frilly for such a tailored sofa. The cresent sofa seems more inviting.
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I went to my fabric stash and pulled out some fabric I could use right away to make a tablecloth. It wouldn't be my first choice of fabric right now, but it is inoffensive for the purposes of reimagining the room. I have a zillion important projects, but this is easy, I just have to get the right measurements to cut the sides of the circle. Once I have the pattern made, it would be a couple of hours max to sew up a new tablecloth. Then I could make bigger ones for when the leaf is in. Problem solved for conceivable future and maybe better than messing around with paint and stencils for the time being.

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Ahh Tiffany is kind of amazing. Slip cover the ottoman - brilliant.
I love how the sandier look of the fabric works with your buttercream walls. It's feminine with out being too cutesy. Yellows and purples are happy in each others company. Just as some flowers.
I'm in CA too. Yesterday was too hot, today is perfect. I was wondering too, Ramona, what city you are planning to relocate to?
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lessismoore
Leave the lattice on the chair - it works perfectly in the rendering, especially if you keep the lattice rug, which is a lovely color.
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I want to go to Sonoma. Problem is while the crash hit them hard, prices have rebounded tremendously. Not so in Michigan, although my house is appreciating now, I lost $ 80,000 in it and have only gotten a small fraction of that back, not even enough to refinance because I am underwater (owe more than home is worth). I lived in Sacramento and Santa Cruz for more than 25 years, with a summer in San Francisco and a summer in Marina del Rey (both for summer research fellowships). I have a decent knowledge of LA area although my memory is fading. My x used to live in Silverlake. I have visited most places in California and Sonoma is my choice. The hot springs there is tremendously helpful for my ME/CFS. I think it must have a high concentration of magnesium which we now know helps us.

Somewhere in Northern California for sure, Less. We will meet eventually I am sure.
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lessismoore
what about something more like this, with a silver ribbon at the hem?
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Tiffany, I am in East Lansing. It is a two hour drive to get to the ottoman. I'd rather just go to the house because meeting can cause timing problems, especially with traffic.
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A silver ribbon is a great idea!!!. That other fabric would just be for demonstration purposes and to make a pattern. Actually, I have the perfect fabric to do this with. Linen with a silver finish. OMG. This is such a good idea.
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Prices here are ridiculous. Sonoma county is beautiful, my only concern there is the hot hot summers. Have you looked at anything in Arcata or farther North? At least we don't have humid summers though. Personally, I deal better with the cold than the heat, (not Michigan type cold mind you) but have a slim range for ideal temps. Somewhere between 65-80.
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Less, after living in Sacramento summers and Arizona, Sonoma summers would be a piece of cake. I like it 78-85, so no problem for me.

Here is the fabric from my stash. Linen with a silver finish. I could make a silvery ribbon trim in a lavender on this fabric. Or use it on another fabric or do both. I knew I owned this fabric for some fabulous reason.

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This is ridiculously expensive. I got it on super sale and when it arrived immediately went online to order more but it was gone. They now have it back in stock at a much higher price. I am waiting for it to go on sale for drapes or roman shades.
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I like the long table cloth in your room. Looks good and you are right, it is a fast project that will make a difference quickly.

I am sure you already know this, but no seams down the center, only where the width of the fabric drops off the sides of the table.

Tablecloth pattern. Or, just buy a tablecloth and use it for a pattern.

http://www.sew4home.com/tips-resources/sewing-tips-tricks/how-measure-round-tablecloth

Some of these pleated tablecloths are nice too, especially when you have the leaf in.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pleated+round+table+cloth&tbm=isch&imgil=gC51vUG-891G8M%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcQkiykjNl4_Y_d1kjnkyoH-Ox4PnYA5n7y-mqXPgoSChyg-l38CUQ%253B400%253B400%253Bf6_jwNAILOBhhM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.houzz.com%25252Fphotos%25252F126867%25252FRound-Pleated-Party-Tablecloth-with-Bullion-Fringe-traditional-tablecloths-&source=iu&usg=__eD5p-iF_1kkUOXKzKnXzMQyr7Po%3D&sa=X&ei=HW-XU-fAH9TcoATYtYDIBw&ved=0CC4Q9QEwAA&biw=1600&bih=636#imgdii=_


If you go to pick up the ottoman, you might as well stop in Calico Corners in Novi. They always have great clearance items including trims. They are having a sale. Love their stores.
http://www.calicocorners.com/
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Ramona, maybe a little too much bling, if you are going to do the furniture in metallic.
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That's why I said, I could use this fabric as the ribbon trim on another fabric. Right now, it looks just awful with those furniture finishes.
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I like this style although they must do a round top and then add the pleats around it.
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You might look at Murrieta in So. CA. They were noted for their Hot Springs and the housing is so much more affordable.
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I really looks like this style of tablecloth uses a round and then attaches the pleats with simple rectangular pieces of fabric. Wastes less material? And looks nicer too?

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The top is round and the sides are a long rectangle pleated. Here are the instructions.
http://www.housetohome.co.uk/articles/how-to-make-a-box-pleat-tablecloth-step-by-step-instructions_470702.html
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Well, depending on how you end up finishing the furniture ... but if you do a bronze antiquing glaze over cream/white/silver, but keep the chairs a mostly brighter silver, I could see a more beige/ivory cloth with a silver gray ribbon trim. You can gussy it up with various more colorful squares on the top to suit your mood.
Sacramento is way too hot for me in the summer! I've lived in L.A., S.F., and in the Virgin Is. for a brief time. I think the V.I. time broke my thermostat.
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The last tablecloth is nice too. Probably done with grosgrain ribbon.
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Like the texture of the burlap. A little pricy for that tablecloth, when burlap is so cheap. Burlap fabric also comes in colors.
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Off subject. Did you ever look into the HARP for mortgages underwater?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Affordable_Refinance_Program
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I have researched and researched HARP does not cover credit union mortgages. They left 20% of homeowners out of the rescue package.
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tiffany, I am studying how to make the inverted pleat tablecloths, but I must say, they don't provide a formula for determining how large to make the pleats and how to space them around the circumference of the table. I am sure I could figure it out, but I googled and did not find anything satisfactory yet.

Thanks to all of you for these great ideas. I might be able to reupholster that ottoman myself. It shouldn't be that difficult, but time, time, time. I am not on vacation; I am supposed to be researching and writing all summer.
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And Less, I would totally consider a cushion on the inside back of the wheatback chairs. I once saw a picture of rush chairs covered with cushions and lumbar pillow also attached to back of chair. Totally snugly.
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Ramona, not sure when you last checked HARP LOANS, but sometimes these programs are revised.

Participating credit unions may benefit from reduced costs and representation and warrant relief as well as an increase in appraisal waivers, which could facilitate additional refinance activity.

The intent of enhancing HARP is to remove potential barriers for both lender and borrower and thereby provide options for credit unions to develop a practical strategy to reach their hardest-hit homeowners and communities with significant financial relief.

Read more: http://www.creditunions.com/articles/changes-to-harp-create-more-refinancing-opportunities/#ixzz34HrpeGlx

UPDATE: If you are looking to refinance, be sure to keep an eye on the National Foreclosure Settlement. It should be rolling out soon and you might be able to get a good deal. The qualifications are different than HARP 2.0 so you need to see which one will better for you.
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TABLE SKIRT

The box pleat is subjective to how wide you what it to be. I just pin the fabric, until I find what works, but I prefer deep pleats. You can tape it on the table before you sew it.

Here is a site that shows some details. http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-make-a-table-slipcover.html
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Tiff, I went through a complete reevaluation 12 months ago. None of those programs help the 20% of homeowners with credit unions.
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Linda, yes it is quite a project for me to do a 4 hour round trip, but it can easily fit in my hatchback and I am sure it doesn't weigh that much. I have done harder, but when I was in better shape.

Ballard doesn't have that simple tablecloth you posted or I would buy it and use it for the time being then take it apart when I was ready with a couple of chosen fabrics. The only one they have is more expensive and wouldn't make the good pattern the one above can.

I'll figure something out.
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Think about constructing the tablecloth inside out : First take a length of fabric (and use some basic muslin, or something you don't love for the pattern, of course) and with some chalk, outline the top circle. Cut that out with at least a 3/4" seam allowance. Next, take fabric, yardage wise, if you have enough, and just pin box pleats in a size that pleases you (take the diameter measurement from the edge of round, and add in depth of pleats you want to figure how many pleats you might need; say the diameter of table is 36 round, you want a 9 in pleat (4.50 deep on each side) for 4 pleats total, so you need double, plus a bit for a seam, which can be buried inside a pleat. Make sense? You can pin the pleats on a flat surface and then pin it on the round and adjust. Voila!
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Less, you are so good to me.

If I were to get a coffee table, I want this look.
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I am searching through photos of French sofas and Lee is right, most of them are shown with tables. But my aching body needs to put its feet up. The French must have been very formal sitting on their sofas except when they were on their recamier sofas which were invented for trysts. See, I know my furniture history. LOL.
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Ah, look at this guys
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And this
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I see what someone said about boudoir, but who says my living room can't looked boudoirish? I am a pretty sexy senior citizen.
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I love that "study" shot with the grays and soft pinky lavenders. Mill work and builtins are soooo nice. I like the look of the tall coffee table but can see where it wouldn't be practical (unless I was confined to a corset! ) And watching TV whilst reclining would not work at all! Maybe you need a chaise instead of a sofa? I'm joking but I kind of like that idea the more I think about it.
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Found a chaise I liked (I'm sure the construction is sub par compared to what you want) but can't help myself from imagining this in your space. Nice shape, great size, would actually function perfectly with ottoman as you describe wanting to use it. So "Frenchy" and talk about your undulating curves ... This is called the "Garbo" and is cutomize able for fabrics. http://www.funkysofa.com/huntchaise.html#.U5h7wvldVic
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That first French room is the poster child for busy.
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lol well I wasn't posting for colors or patterns just for skirted sofas and skirted ottoman
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Okay, I found that sofa in the bedroom above and had been looking at it but figured it would be more expensive with the detailing, but am liking it more and more.
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Less, I really, really want a sofa. Thanks for thinking of a way. I am still thinking about which way to go with sofa versus ottoman.
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Just because ...
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No, I hear you a "sofa" - it's just that it is so easy now to add something. And I didn't think you were talking about the palette in that busy room, but wow, it would be hard to lie down in there :-)
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I also like this Sherrill
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You know what you want Ramona, and with each pix you post, the "idea" becomes clearer to me and it seems to work more. I guess you are being ... convincing? More and more I'm accepting the blending of the styles which I previously thought of as a bit too "boudoir-ish."
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Here it is ...
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I'm not sure I know what I want, but I know the idea of a crescent sofa with that over the top ottoman tickled me. I can now see how unusual a choice it is, but maybe that is why it tickles me so much. I don't want to make a mistake, so I value all your ideas.
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And I have NOT rejected this sofa and this combo

This sofa is deeper and higher, which I also like. Don't worry about seeing my tv. Right now it is above the fireplace (which is a new design no, no on Houzz pages but is the only place to put it in my nearly walless living room). I can mount it as high as I need to in my new retirement home.
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You mean a side by side here with the first sofa you picked? and the current seen sofa/ottoman> This sofa?
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here for comparison
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perfect!!
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I like the 2nd sofa on the renderings, more space

Ramona had you not already phoned and ordered one of the first sofas?

I'm still confused with '8 hand tied' etc

I love the ottoman in front of larger sofa to hold a tray etc

So have you confirmed you will buy the ottoman from that person from 'Craigslist'?
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Can I come back yet?? :) I still like the second sofa best however I am starting to like your #1 option more as time goes on. That doesn't have the frilly skirt and looks much better. Still not there on the ottoman.
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Linda, I haven't purchased anything or committed to anything. The Craigslist ottoman is still an option and I have a few days to decide and the seller has given me the hours the s/he is available for me to pick it up.

Eight way hand tied is the original way good sofas were made. They are infinitely repairable and can be retied when the cords get worn. They are quality. Even a good brand like Bernhardt is now using sinuous springs which cannot be redone. You can buy a new spring unit to drop in, but the fact that the pricier brands are going to sinuous springs shows you how much quality is slipping. Eight way hand tied are the most comfortable as the springs give in all those directions.

Both sofas Less has photoshopped are essentially the same size, so the questions are:

1. can I do a skirted ottoman with the skirted crescent sofa without looking wrong?
2. can I do the skirted ottoman with the more tailored sofa without looking wrong for a different reason?
3. is my time worth going to pick up that ottoman which is a great price but will take more time and material to turn into something I could use?
4. can the skirted ottoman be made to look more tailored (I have emailed Lenoir with that question)?

Most people rejected the pairing at first. I am researching pictures of French sofas to see how skirted sofas are paired with skirted ottomans, and although it is true, most French sofas are shown with coffee tables, I have found a few pictures above which go the other way.

I just have this bee in my bonnet about that over the top large ottoman.
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Please don't do a skirted sofa and ottoman. I think it's overkill of course it is your space and money. :)
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I like the Sherrill 3381 sofa.
I also like the higher back sofa in 'Less' rendering above. The sofa proportion to the ottoman weight works nicely.
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I think both skirted sofa and ottoman is too much. Ottoman skirt more tailored, not so fluffy.
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Well, LB and Stephanie what do you say to this picture which I posted above?

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LB, I emailed Lenoir to ask if that fluffy ottoman could be made less fluffy with pressed down pleats. Waiting for answer. That more tailored sofa has a higher seat, something which will make it easier for me. It has grown on me a lot in the past few days.
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Dining chairs. If you use silver on the frame of the chairs, you can paint the spindles in the technique that you choose for the china cabinet. This will bring both cabinet and chairs coordination.
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Ladue House bedroom pic. Im thinking of the combo of sofa and ottoman in your living room. Something about the large pleat on the ottoman might be too large for the ottoman that you like. Maybe two large pleats instead. Otherwise, I think it will work for you.
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I like the sofa there (wish I could do that in that color in my bedroom- I love the tufts) and I like the ottoman but I think the pleat is too large/ long (don't like the single pleat look there) and too much for a LV. I like the square top of it.
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From Calico corners

Furniture Construction

There is a mystique about eight-way hand-tied furniture for a reason — it’s superior to other seating systems and contributes the best “sit” and support.

Steel coil springs are set within the furniture frame and tied together in eight directions.

I think I should amend my above comment to read that eight way hand tied allows everything to both stay in place and give in many directions a little bit.
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Here are some photo of 8-way hand tied springs and a website that describes. This is the Gold Standard.
http://hadleycourt.com/how-are-sofas-and-chairs-made-a-primer-on-good-better-and-finest/

All my sofas and chairs are done this way. Believe me it is so much more comfortable than any other because each spring moves independently. When you sit on the sofa and you move or get up or down, no one else is disturbed or feels it. So supportive for bad backs as well. This type of construction will help your furniture outlast others.

Sad to think this quality is disappearing.

Ramona, here is the Sherrill catalogue of all their sofa styles.

http://www.sherrillfurniture.com/construction.php
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Yes, Tiff, I have been studying all those styles carefully. Unfortunately, their pictures aren't the best and you can't get a good feel unless you find the style in the catalog.
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The Ladue House combo is nice but that ottoman is just a little too square and way too high to be comfortable. Not sure you would ever want your feet stretched out straight when your back is not reclined. Single corner pleats not great--a little stiff looking. Better if they would have stitched the pleat down like the sofa and did a few more and softened those square corners.

Just not loving that ottoman with either of the sofas. Like the softer look of the Sherrill on the left better. It is more timeless since you said you wanted to keep it a long time. The one on the right is nice as well because of the high back, but its design may not be around long term.
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Oh Tiff, you cannot imagine what a bad back requires. I want an ottoman higher that the seat. As high as possible. Now, I know that I am not going to get an ottoman higher than a sofa seat and it would look stranger than strange, but that is what I need for comfort. I will probably wind up putting a pillow under my knees on any ottoman I get for a long movie watch. Knees must be higher than tush for back pain to relax.
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Here is a Thomasville that you might like. Little higher back and looks good with throw pillows.
https://www.google.com/search?q=riviera+sofa&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=fuiYU57UFInvoASA6YC4BA&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&biw=1067&bih=424
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Ramona, yes I can certainly imagine a bad back. I spent a year with one -- could barely walk to the curb and could only stand for a short time. That is why I buy the best furniture and mattress.

For the ottoman you could make a matching loose pillow to place on top in the same fabric. That way the room will still look good when it is in use. Something like this idea but not as formal maybe.
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Tiff, did you know that Thomasville quality crashed about 15 years ago. I had purchased a coffee table that had nothing but problems. Even replacing it did not solve the issues. It is now at a friend's house and she insists it is eventually coming back to me. A couple years after I bought it, I got a call from a research company asking about my satisfaction with the product. They told me that they had been commissioned because there was so much dissatisfaction with the product after new management took over the company. Brides had purchased whole houses full of furniture because their family home was filled with beautiful Thomasville and they trusted the brand. They were devastated to find their furniture was inferior in zillions of different ways. My coffee table was made out of good cherry, but they had used a cheap stain, so it chipped off because it could not absorb into the wood. I wouldn't trust them again without deep, deep research, but I am going over to look at their styles. I want a single cushion sofa about 70-75" wide. That sofa above is huge.
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Great idea for the pillow on top. It could be big enough to be on the floor for party animals.
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Ramona, you are right about Thomasville problems. I put the photo out there to give you some inspiration of style of back and skirt look. I had a phone call and forgot to finish my post.

Glad you liked the pillow idea. Ha, you cannot be that close to retirement if your party animals are still able to get off the floor.
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Well, as a professor, I have people over who are much, much younger than I sometimes. LOL.
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Ramona I'm curious what type of mattress do you prefer? My sister has terrible back pain and she swears by the sleep number bed. I would sure like to know what you think bc I am going to have to buy one pretty soon. Thanks(:(:(:
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I have researched and researched. I also have tons of chemical and other allergies. I don't think mattress construction has improved much in over a century. I would consider an all wool mattress for overall health reasons. They can be renewed indefinitely although I don't know where you sleep while the mattress is being redone. They are expensive. I am now sleeping on a very expensive ultra soft mattress I bought for my mother. Mostly, I have hated ultra soft mattresses my whole life and felt better on a hard mattress. Those days are gone. I actually forgot the brand name right now and would have to unzip the mattress cover to remember. Research all wool mattresses. You will be surprised what you find. I am dubious of the sleep number bed although I see a lot of praise for it, even privately like this.
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Thanks Ramona that was very helpful(:(:(: I will take a look at wool mattresses. I hope I can afford one because I think it pays to buy something of great quality.
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Linda darling, I am still deciding on sofa. Definitely one cushion though and definitely Sherrill because of the quality. You should have heard the tone of voice in Lenoir's owner when I said Sherrill!!

My first choice is still under consideration. My second is running first at the moment. I am waiting for email back from Lenoir.

This idea is not bad.

"If you love the large ottoman (if it has wheels) get it, put it at bottom of bed and on movie night roll through (as long as easy enough to do-could keep movie, books, popcorn and chips (if that's your thing) so you don't need to move all night and the place will be tidy, before bed-roll it back through"

If I didn't have an old fashioned tv cabinet with a big old fashioned tv in the bedroom, I might definitely go that route. The bottom of my bed would love that ottoman, but in a different color than the living room, I think, maybe. I am waiting for fabric sample from Sherrill via Lenoir. Nothing gets decided till I get those fabric samples and they won't come quickly because Sherrill doesn't even have them. They are newly allied with Sunbrella. I am hoping one of those Sunbrella's from Sherrill is going to fit the bill.

That pale aqua sofa in the bedroom picture is a loveseat. It can be made in regular size.

The Lenoir version of it I posted is close but not precisely the same. I know I have seen that sofa in the manufacturer's catalog somewhere, I just can't place it. It is probably out of my budget anyway.

The picture was to demonstrate that a skirted ottoman can look good with a skirted sofa.

If you look at Less's renderings, I am now leaning towards the combination on the right. I realize that some folks here aren't that fond of that sofa and ottoman combination. Really, I don't think they are fond of the ottoman. I emailed Lenoir to find out if that ottoman could be made with pressed down pleats.

I am out on a limb here I realize in territory we are not going to get consensus about. I am thinking hard and planning to get feedback from friends, but my friends consider my taste better than theirs so they may not be of more help than my Houzz friends.

I appreciate your efforts on my behalf tremendously, Linda. Same for Less and the rest of you.

None of this is getting done all that quickly because of paint availability. I want to see that Ralph Lauren paint in person in Home Depot and it doesn't arrive till mid July.
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Another thought on the pleat thing: I really like the idea of a pleated table cloth so you can focus attention on the chairs and china hutch, but, as your DR and LVR connect, and you will/might be having a pleated skirt on sofa, ottoman and the visible table be too much? Just thinking out loud.
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Ramona, this Sherrill sofa is only 71" and I don't know if this is a good size or too small. The 38" H on the back, the higher arms, straightforward lines with the 3 throw pillows across the back would be an excellent counter-balance to the more fussy ottoman. Also your look is unconventional and your d.r. chairs are very straightforward and simple. The table with a full-length table cloth is a great idea. I might want to modify the skirt on the table if you end up with this ottoman. I realize you are also looking at another ottoman on E-bay? Anyway, these will pair very well while quite unexpected. In my mind I feel your first choice was too formal.
Deux Ribbon Round Tablecloth Less put up this table which I think goes well with the softer look of the ottoman. The detailing is also very nice. It's not too upscale
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With the combo, there are no lines that compete with your d.r. or french chairs.
The straight lines of the sofa which IS traditional in nature, does a nice job of including the unembellished lines of your wall unit.
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Yesterday, it was back pain. Today, it is shoulder pain. Everyday, it is some damn pain or the other :-)
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Just a note. A tablecloth to the floor on the dining table will not allow chairs to slide completely under it. I don't think it works for a dining table. Unless it is shorter drop pleat above the chair seat height.
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Less, I am sorry for your pain. I have shoulder pain too, but my very forward thinking doctor has probably cured my shoulder pain. What happens is your ligaments stretch and get inflamed. Two courses of the simplest shots helped them to heal. Not covered by insurance though because not yet recognized. I think the shots are just sugar water which stimulate tightening. Can't make a mint off of sugar water, so don't look for FDA approval in this century.

LB, I have plenty of room to keep the chairs back from the tablecloth and don't mind my knees getting cozy with it when sitting there and love, love the look.

Karen, I like that new sofa, especially the lumbar pillows, but I like my second choice sofa much better, especially the flange pillows, so maybe I can get them to make me three lumbar pillows to go in front of the three flange pillows? No email from Lenoir on second day, but I did address the owner and he might be busy.

I think these measurements for the second Sherrill are very good

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Arm Height: 29 in.
Overall Depth: 41 in.
Approx. Seat Height: 21 in.

I don't agree that the first Sherrill is too formal and like mixing formal with informal, embellished with simple. So that is part of my intrinsic style. I like mixing French with Shaker -- simple country French with Shaker.

I think if I were going to do the first Sherrill with silk and fringe, etc., it would be out of place, but with Sunbrella, no way.
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Wow, sugar water? I'll have to look into that. This seems to be a recurring sleep injury, I'm a side sleeper. No matter what position I assume when going to sleep, I end up mashing a shoulder by the time I wake up.
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Only doctors who do alternative medicine will know about this, but there are zillions in California. If you want me to find out who is in your area through my doctor, I will.
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Thanks Ramona - If it works, I'm about ready to try anything (short of tying myself down in restraints before sleep!)
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H38 W72 D24 in.
Arm Height: 32 in.
Overall Depth: 35 in.
Approx. Seat Height: 20 in

Ramona, you said you are long legged? I realize the 21" height on the seat of your 2132-72 is good. However, your seat depth is at 21". The one I posted is 20H and the seat depth is 24". So the additional 3" in seat depth will really impact where your knees are when seated. Also this other one is only 1" higher than the 19" height on your ottoman. All FYI
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less, I'm so sorry about your shoulder. Nothing worse than not being able to sleep comfortably.
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Awww thanks. It's ironic that something as nice as sleep (which normally makes you feel better) should now be "fraught with perils". LOL
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Less, this is the therapy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolotherapy

I found a lot of doctors listed in the Bay Area who do prolotherapy. It doesn't cause damage. My shoulder pain comes and goes, but it was pretty consistent this winter till I had two treatments. Not bothering me at all since then. ME/CFS patients never feel better after sleep and have a lot of trouble sleeping. You will see I sometimes make comments in the middle of the night for this reason.
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Thanks Ramona :-)
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I saw this while cleaning up my inbox. Pier One, but it reminded me of your room. I liked the round ottoman.
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Thanks for the info on prolotherapy alternative therapy.

There are so many of these non pharmacutical things that work. When my husband was dying Dr. would have gladly wrote a Rx for Xanax. But I didn't want a narcotic and feeling like a zombie. Instead I ended up using Rescue Remedy, all natural anti anxiety and stress reducer, made from flowers and no side effects and no addiction. Best thing I ever used. I was clear headed and functioning through those horrible days.

Several of my friends also use it. They even have a version for dogs who suffer from anxiety. My friend's dog was old an was pacing at night. After a few drops in the water bowl and the little guy got some well needed rest.

http://www.bachflower.com/rescue-remedy-information/

http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/dr-ozs-homeopathic-remedy-stress-relief
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EA decorator suggested round ottoman. Funny, she did NOT object to skirted sofa and skirted ottoman together. Don't worry, I now see the need for the sofa to be more tailored.

I do think that room has the feel and elements I am going for. Ikat on that chair is interesting.
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By the way, postings like this are why I purchased my china cabinet:
http://forum.furninfo.com/Topics/14624
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I also could recommend a round ottoman. Didn't know how much space you have. Did she say what size would be best and are you interested in exploring a round?
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I don't think I want a round. I am in love with that over the top Sherrill, but I think I could fit a round unless it was huge. Now that I am leaning towards the more tailored sofa, I don't think round works. And round almost always means skirted doesn't it? Even though the one above isn't.
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Rounds come with and without skirts. Tailored sofa is very fine with a round. I used to specify Cox Manufacturing long time ago. Went into their website and it's possible you can no longer buy directly from them. Not sure. They were the most inexpensive upholsterers on the planet. Wouldn't buy a sofa from them but I did see a blurb about coil springs. I'm assuming 8-way hand tied but most likely 8 ways tied to other springs which is the inferior version of 8-way. In any event, they have some ottomans, lots of fabric and will do COM. You might even find a dealer close to your area? Might be worth a look and perhaps for other projects. Just an FYI.
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Elizabeth, Martha Stewart glazes which were recommended by profession furniture refinishers seem to be out of production and no longer carried at Home Depot. I am looking for a small amount of burnt umber to play with and as I have many chemical allergies wound up on this site. What do you think of these products?
http://www.dickblick.com/products/enkaustikos-hot-cakes-encaustic-wax-paints/?clickTracking=true&wmcp=pla&wmcid=items&wmckw=01111-8054&gclid=CjgKEAjwwuqcBRCSuoivmIPnkwQSJACpqj3k1fH_uxP7ocU1AbdQFAFyf8HdHbyL8p5SotbTml5N9vD_BwE
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I love this color blue from the Cox fabric store which allows you to put any of their fabric on Cox. There are practically no dealers of anything in my state capital area. It is a huge pain. I am searching Cox via this site:
http://www.fabricmill.com/

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Ramona, I've never worked with that product. Not sure how it would work as a glaze as it seems like it is more of a paint. You'd most likely have to mix it with something else to get a workable product. Most glazing medium is acrylic (i.e., water-based). This (or something similar to it) is what I've always used as an antiquing medium over glaze or metallic leaf: http://www.valsparpaint.com/en/find-the-right-product/interior/decorative-paints/faux-antiquing-glaze.html. I've never had problems with reactions to it or anything, but I also don't have any chemical allergies .
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In my area, no ride, not convinced I want round, but could recover

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Valspar now only at Lowe's which I luckily have although not in the most convenient spot.
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Ramona, how much is that above ottoman?...and size?
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They don't give size. $ 85
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Wouldn't recovering w/pleats and tufting be hard? I just know that we paid per a button on the victorian chair I recovered. Btw. I really like the idea of a slightly more tailored skirt. I think that will go much better with the sofas that you are considering.

All this talk of 8-way hand tied is making me re-think my sofa which I was planning on getting from Mitchell Gold Bob Williams.

Then again ladies, my major accomplishment was having the plumber install a new faucet, putting up a mailbox, and discovering more things that need to be fixed in my fixer upper....

Why are ottomans so expensive btw? I think it is nuts. Hence what I went with & my recommendation below.
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Just throwing this out there. I have a pair and we love them because they add a little something eclectic and they are easy enough to move around (not super light though). Mine are a different color, but there are so many fun color choices.
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Tufting on this piece would be about as easy as tufting gets. You need strong thread, almost cord, the button and a industrial size needle. I wouldn't try it on a sofa, but on an ottoman I could just turn over, yes. Pleated skirt is a piece of cake because you have the pattern when you take the old cover off.

Mitchell Gold Bob Williams might be hand tied. They sure charge enough for them to be so.

Checked: nope they don't

+ eco-friendly hardwood frame
+ eco-friendly high-density, high-resiliency cushioning
+ sinuous wire spring suspension
+ built-in legs
+ made in the USA

They don't even offer down. For shame at their prices.
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Ramona, MG does offer down as an up-charge option. Also, their sinuous wire spring suspension units are a much more heavy duty gauge than the low end retailers of the past (even recent past) used to have. They are a factory who also supplies many retailers, one of whom is RH. Their prices and quality are excellent in today's market. The problem with upholstery manufacturers is that the 8-way hand tied pieces are not so easy to find these days. You picked up my list of the better manufacturers which I posted some time ago and I still stand by them. However, there are fewer and fewer buyers who want their upholstery to last 15-30 years. So the new "upscale" sinuous will last approximately 10 years, depending on the wear and tear by the buyer. Most clients now do not want to have to reupholster after 7-10 years as they would rather have new. So it is the demand that is affecting the supply. Sherrill is (unfortunately) a dying breed and you will note the number of frames they now offer is considerably less than they used to be. They have to stick with the best sellers. In the 1980's I noted that Hickory Chair began a price pointed line of sofas and chairs. They narrowed down the frames, kept the 8-way hand tied, offered fewer fabric and options for that line. They sold like hot cakes because people wanted the quality of Hickory Chair but didn't want to pay the prices. They, along with other notable manufacturers began cutting corners on details (important ones). They would not upholster the decks as they used to. They would not have the extra cushion on the leading edge of the base. They began to down scale their fabrics to less expensive ones by introducing poly/blend fabrics. The list goes on and on. Thing is, the consumers didn't notice. The old timers did but they were no longer in the market because they would reupholster their frames after many years. So, Mitchell-Gold is a far better quality than you understand (I suspect). In fact, I have begun specifying them for commercial work. The hotels are using them because they remodel anywhere between 5-10 years and know if the designer choose the right fabrics they are good to go with the new sinuous spring construction. MG has built their business in such a way they are available to the retail public, the Trade, and are manufacturing for any number of retailers. This is just an FYI.
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STATE-OF-THE-ART CONSTRUCTION

How do we achieve the comfort level that's synonymous with our brand? It's not just one thing. It's a mixture of things. We've dubbed it "the perfect mix". No one of these elements yield the perfect sit. Each element plays an important role in mastering this mix. Here are the components that bring true comfort to your life and home.


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A strong component to this mix lies within our state of the art spring system. We designed this system using heavy arched 8-9 gauge springs (also know as sinuous or zig-zag) made from a minimum of 65% recycled metal. Securing these to the front and back of the frame with lined metal clips, prevents the rub of metal on metal; this eliminating "squeakage". Paper-coated cross wires fare then bound from side to side, allowing for even weight absorbtion. We space our springs a comfortable 3" apart; with double rows at each end for extra support in the corners; where most of us gravitate (especially our canine counterparts). Why did we decide against using eight-way hand-tied springs? Simply, they're not better. We discovered they don't offer a more comfortable sit, they aren't current in regard to technology and fresh design, and they aren't easier to repair. They are, however, more costly. Therefore to achieve "the perfect mix", we have decided serpentine springs are a far better option. Do you still listen to tunes via an 8-track player? We didn't think so.

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This superlative sit is achieved by placing our eco-luxe cushion within a zippered all-cotton casing (channeled like a duvet) and stuffed with a generous ratio of allergen-free down & feathers. Working together, these smartly configured design elements introduce a sink-in experience of newfound depth and luxury.
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Karen thanks for posting your opinion. Mitchell Gold Bob Williams is having a 20% off sale coming up, which I think occurs 2x a year, so I assume that when I look at their prices. I also really want either navy or teal velvet & I can do that with them. I've thought about paying more for 8-way hand-tied, but I don't know that I'm ready to commit to a couch for that long! We have a Restoration Hardware leather couch that is 10 years old at this point and it is going strong (almost too strong since I'd rather get a Chesterfield leather couch, but can't justify letting this one go).

Linda, that is a great clam.
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lee, there is no reason for you to be afraid of Mitchell Gold. Believe me I would not specify MG for commercial work if I thought there would be a problem. That's a luxury I cannot afford. I have to be even harder in my judgement on quality with commercial projects than residential. In fact, looks as though I'm back in the driver's seat with the Clubhouse project which I thought I had lost! I'll be specifying Mitchell Gold and all upholstery will have to last a very, very long time. I figure by the time it wears out, I'll either be in a nursing home or dead. LOL
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Linda, I am so sorry for your pain. We must face the fact that many of us are over 60 and s--t is beginning to happen. My body has been falling apart and my best friend is just now beginning to experience issues. I told her I'm happy to see she's catching up so we can ultimately drive over the cliff together (ready to go) Thelma and Louise style. We ARE known as Thelma and Louise already. It's just too funny....and comforting! LOL
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Okay, let me ask this question a different way. Which sofa of your choice, any style you find, goes with this ottoman?

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Congrats Karen!
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Gorgeous shell, out of my price range, but I need a few things for the shelves next to the fireplace which are deep and narrow. I'd never have had them built this way if I had thought to ask builder how he was going to do them. They are only 16" wide. So if you want to look for a reasonably priced clamshell like that which is about 14" wide, I am definitely in the market.
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Ramona, why not email Sherrill and ask them which sofas the believe will work. Must have had something in mind when they designed it.
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I think any sofas that you've liked will be fine. Just not with the same skirt.
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Just tucking in for the night,. Here are some visuals with the various styles.
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I like #4 in the 1st group and #1 in the second group of two. I think the others are too square and not soft enough. The sofa needs some round features to work with the ottoman. And tufting is always nice.
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Ramona, regarding the pieces I put up to answer your question. The 1st sofa is too long and is the one intended for the ottoman. Note the tufted tight seat and the tufting along the base to reiterate the details of the ottoman. The 3rd one goes but in my mind the sofa is a little too "buttoned down" and doesn't continue the styling in the ottoman. The second one works because it is a very traditional style with extremely simple lines so there is nothing to contradict the styling of the ottoman. They become "odd" companions in that the simplicity of the sofa plays up the feminine lines and detailing of the ottoman. That sofa just becomes good bones within your space and will adapt well to anything you throw at it. MO, of course.
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The sofa you selected (2nd photos down) is really "jiggy" with the new ottoman. You can possibly marry the sofa and ottoman by using the same fabric and perhaps put a contrasting skirt in your blue, utilizing the fringe as shown, and pick up the same blue in your Ikat pillows. The new ottoman can become it's own little centerpiece to the room. Actually there are several different ways you can treat the ottoman regarding fabrics/detailing.
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The only picture I have found with the Carithers ottoman. Can't see the sofa very well, but it is his room entirely.

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The more I look at this picture, the more I think that is a skirted sofa we can't see. LOL
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I think Dan Carithers is my kind of guy. These are in his own home. He retired two years ago. Alzhemiers. So sorry for him and his wife who is pictured on the pages where I got these images.

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I like those higher tables in front of sofas.
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Ramona, here are the photos of the Showhouse. There is another photo of the ottoman in from of the sofa. His room is very eclectic and gives the impression it was pulled together over time. The sofa and ottoman are from the Dan Carithers collection for Sherrill. This look is so much more rustic than you are doing. Not sure it will work for you.
http://www.regentsparkga.com/pdf/southern_accents_sm.pdf
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Ah ha
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tiff, we cross posted
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I think my white washed finishes are rustic. The only thing not going rustic is the silver finish on the chairs, but even for those, I want the finish which makes it seem as though the wood is peeping through. All the other furniture has legs which is also true in my house. The china cabinet is the conundrum.
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Remember this room? Chairs are inspiration. Is that tree done in silver rustic or formal?

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Okay, here is a "tea" table. Would you prefer one of these to an ottoman? Or both? I can see the advantage of height if actually having tea/coffee served there.
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The D Carithers living room photo with skirted ottoman. I think that the reason the simple and straighter lines of the sofa works because the ottoman tufting is repeated in the leopard chair and the gold chairs and the other rounded features of the other furnishings.
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Ashbury Heights photo is a mix of casual and formal.
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Most importantly in his design for this room is that he "married" the straight lines of the sofa by utilizing the same type....color, textural aspect of the fabric in the ottoman. He then used trim on the ottoman that reiterates the colors of the three back pillows of the sofa. The sofa presents good bones and becomes a piece that will work with many types of pieces.
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If you want to do a composite of the two styles without having other pieces with tufting (not necessary), you can have those standard back cushions tufted in the Batik fabric and add a simple cord or contrasting fabric. Then on your ottoman you can pick up a trim that completely unites them. I would still use the same fabric on both pieces (the neutral you want).
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Less, I love that tea table, but in this house I won't have room for both the Carithers ottoman and a tea table. I am going to rely on my nesting tables when I need tea table type function. Even though my retirement home will surely be smaller, the living room may be a completely different shape, allowing me to have both.

So interesting that although I am definitely not Southern traditional in taste, so much of Dan Carither's stuff appeals to me.
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Okay, so this sofa which I previously rejected for something to do with size, I think, is on my radar again.

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Arm Height: 30 in.
Overall Depth: 34 in.
Approx. Seat Height: 19 in.
Standard Throw Pillows: 2
Standard Finish: Brown Mahogany

Karen, I just can't get warm to 4024 sofa although I love the lumbar pillows and like the size measurements.

I like the idea of tufting the pillows to tie sofa to ottoman.
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Ramona, I understand. I love to give input but I try not to get too attached to anything. LOL
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I'm not surprised that the tufted back is back on your radar. As I stated, it will work. So it's still a good choice. I tend to be more adventurous than many and I do understand that as a problem. I frankly would much rather you consider the tufted number over the 2 you have been thinking about.
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Are you onboard with treating the sofa and ottoman in the same fabric, with ottoman in detailing to reference your Batik pillows?
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Every single detail is important. That your new tufted sofa forgot to tuft the face of the base is important. So it becomes even more important to marry them. Something similar that lacks certain details is worse than something that is totally different. I'm telling you the details are EVERYTHING. If you don't copy the details to the inth degree, then what is missing becomes a visual nuisance. If there is no duplication going on and you go in a whole other direction, there there is no comparison. So, I recommend marrying them much as you can with fabric and detail. There is always some forgiveness with that. I am so sorry that I am so opinionated. It is what it is my love! :)
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No tufting of pillows unless the sofa is a flat back.
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Ramona and Less, there is a way for you to have both a coffee table and an ottoman. Perhaps an interesting piece like the one in the photo, but in your case the pillow would be removable. You would just need a table that when you place the pillow on top would be high enough to support your back.



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Linda, my goodness you have been shopping your heart out. It is in your blood girl.

On the clam shells: A Clam Shell with a silver or pearl finish inside could be an easy and quick DIY project. The problem with clam shells is they might be a little to large for the shelves by fireplace, but could do well elsewhere--dining room table. On the ledge to the kitchen it would be a good catch all for keys, mail etc. rather than a basket.

Another nice shell is the Nautilus Shell. On a stand, it could fill the shelf nicely. Plus they have a nice translucent pearl finish which would look good with the lavendar blues.
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There are also nice stands to place shells on.
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Ramona, then I would go with your original second pick and it will look great. I'm putting up less' photo/rendering. This is less formal than your original pick, has some nice curves, does not duplicate the ottoman and is most likely your best choice out of all you have considered.
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How about the tufted back sofa with the tufted ottoman, but with a more tailored skirt? I like the one Karen just posted too as long as the skirt is more tailored. Some of the rooms you posted that have this ottoman are just so big, there is so much room to repeat and add quirky details. I think it is harder when working with more 'normal' sized spaces. Just my opinion.
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Listen up guys: I have MARRIED that Carithers ottoman, so no other ottoman suggestions please, just ways to make it work. And I actually emailed Lenoir about making that skirt more tailored. I think my email got lost because there has been no answer for almost a week. No messing around with my marriage. I like that ottoman just the way it is thank you very much, including the trim.

Yes, Karen, I understand no tufted sofa with tufted pillows. And Karen, notice that my second choice, which is now my first choice, has a great detail on it around the bottom which can be duplicated on the skirt of the ottoman. Also, I always wanted the same fabric on ottoman and sofa although others tried to suggest elsewise. My new second choice, the tufted sofa is surging ahead in the race. Will it overtake the flange pillow thoroughbred? Stay tuned.

Karen, we are still talking about ikat as most favored fabric although I got the samples I ordered from one of a few sources yesterday. Less is working on that design. I don't have the sample from Spoonflower yet.

Will probably take till tomorrow to report in on those samples because today is busy. So a trim that matches the ikat or batik in some way is necessary. I doubt I can get blue purple trim; however, I could pick up the trim color on cording of accent pillows. Don't forget, I am a professional seamstress's daughter. I know detail. I am also a writer; I know detail. But we need to talk about all these details, for sure.

Leemiller, my room is actually quite large; however, because I wanted the main seating as close to the fireplace as possible AND room for my mom to use her wheelie to get to the sunroom, the Ethan Allen decorator suggested this was the only solution. The space behind the sofa placement to the shelves is actually fairly generous, but not enough to fit a sofa table if my mother had to go behind it. That won't be the case now, but I think I prefer leaving the walking space to the sunroom wide and unobstructed. If I had chosen to put the sofa where the bookcases are (a look I hate against the wall), I would have had room for tons of pieces. The first EA decorator to come over had actually seen another room in the development exactly like mine. She remarked that the room could hold much more furniture than one might realize, but at the time, my mother was alive and we needed unobstructed straight pathways to the sunroom, where she lived all day long.

My first choice for furniture arrangement would be matching sofas at 90 degree angle to fireplace, but because the builder put the fireplace unit into the corner and there are French doors on the other side, my fav is impossible in this house. Had I realized this placement was a problem, I would have told him to shift it over. The builder did this because there is a closet in the hallway to the left of the fireplace. It now holds the theater/sound system components. I didn't have time to check and recheck all these details because we needed to get the house done before I had serious surgery. This house was chosen as a recovery home. (In the end, I had another surgery which was a much better solution, so I didn't need to get into the house before my original surgery date.) The house turned out to be a recovery home for both myself and my mother.

As it turned out, my mom endured a stress fracture of her vertebrae the day I closed on the house, and I had to go to Florida for the whole summer while my beautiful new house sat empty. A lot of things regarding arranging stuff in the house never got thought through because we were living from one emergency to another, both hers and mine, for the whole 6 years she was here with me. It turned out to be the best way for her and I to heal our wounds, which were extensive and mainly caused by others, and she knew I had saved her life over and over again before this period in our lives was over. You never get over your mother's death. 25 months and still tears.
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Ramona, I tried to email Lenoir and never got a response. Only the first that I asked for confirmation of the signed invoice but nothing again. You have to call for sure. Just giving you the heads up on that.
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So here is the tufted sofa, I also was fooling around with your bookcases.
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And did you notice they have a version of this sofa with a skirt?
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Speaking of details...If indeed you choose a non-directional fabric without a nap (such as a Sunbrella), you would want to request Sherrill railroad your fabric so as to eliminate the two seams on the bench seat of your sofa.
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That is what they did on the tufted back number (no seams).
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I have a weakness for tufting, but I like them together. Wouldn't it be cool though if the bottom part of the sofa had buttons across it? I like how the wood legs would go with your side tables and the tufting would be on two items in your room. Are your books covered? They look so pretty and uniform from here.
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Karen, I wish you still lived in the DC metro area, I really do.
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Ramona, if you look closely at the ottoman it is done with one piece of fabric with the tufting wrapping down over the side. That is the reason the pleats look different from most. They are just a one fold pleat rather than a box pleat. Each pleat faces in the direction of the legs.

If they do something different with the ottoman to give you a more tailored pleat it may not look like this because they might have to stop fabric at the pleat and then attach the tailored skirt. But it can still be puffy rounded at the top corners.

If you look at the craigslist ottoman it can easily be made into this ottoman and probably for a lot less than the $800 + custom skirt price. Lenoir can sell you the matching fabric and trim at a discount to do this.

I attached a similar ottoman so you can visualize a skirt around this just under the puffy top.
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Ramona, your room looks big to me, sorry if that came out wrong. I just see many hotel lobby sized rooms on Houzz.
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Karen, I'd like to think of myself as a wild child for sure. I keep thinking I want a little rock and roll, dark & velvet vibe, in DC. Lol. I have to temper it though because we bought a fixer upper with a view to resell down the road.
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Yes Ramona, You have really been through the wringer...several times. No cake walk for certain. Loosing parents, siblings, and best friends is the worst.
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Okay, guys, eventful day. Looks like I have a new housemate which will help with redecorating costs, but by no means make it easy, just take some of the pressure off.

I want to thank whomever recommended Blinds Chalet because they just had a 40% off sale which made it too good to pass up as I have a Budget Blinds cellular shade which has not withstood the test of time (Don't shudder Karen. It was a desperate budgetary decision when I had to have something immediately.) I would never go with them again as the blind is so heavy the blackout material has pulled away from itself. I also made the mistake of trying to put one blind on side by side windows because I thought two separate blinds would look busy and be a pain to adjust.

I had to get at least one set because the room my housemate will be occupying has insufficient blinds for our morning sun. My mother didn't care because she didn't sleep past dawn anyway, but we get full eastern sun in summer which literally blinds late sleepers like me.

I paid $ 824 for four Roman shades, with blackout lining, with up/down and I get the fancier European relaxed fold in my room. The fabric is an off white satin. Second bedroom is getting flat fold Roman shades in faux linen ivory. The Euro is nicer, but I can't justify $ 60 more for a room I won't be in and I am sure they will be beautiful, just not as beautiful as mine.

I haven't had time to review your comments. Will do so tomorrow. I got a $35 Barley Twist leg table at the Flea Market where I was helping my friend out. I will take good pictures in a day or so when I get her stuff unloaded from car. I can't get my table out until her stuff is out, and she will be too exhausted to unload on Monday. The pictures I took outside were just too awful because the light was blinding. Either too much light with iphone or too little.

I am attaching a picture of the sort of legs the table has. Also has brass 'dolphin head' feet which don't look like dolphins. Look like fish, but the seller says they are called 'dolphin head.' Anyway, it is going in my spare room/sewing room in front of the daybed.

I know Barley twist is valuable and have seen some very expensive ones on EBay. The table needs some repair and refinishing, but I think I got a steal. It is NOT at the top of my projects list.

Game of Thrones finale is tonight. I think Stef is another Game of Thrones watcher, but I am wondering if she is as addicted as I am???? After tonight, we have to wait ten whole months. Good thing I have read all the books just to find out the story is far from finished.

Thanks again to whomever clued us all into Blinds Chalet.
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Yep! We are ready. I am disappointed it takes so long to come back on. I was going to start the books soon but then thought it may spoil the fun watching the show! Who knows. Someone told me as a spoiler that if I just think everyone you like dies and the bad ones always win, I got the story. This and Downton Abbey are my favs!
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Well, sounds like you had a great day :-) Me too, addicted to GOT. Looking forward to the finale tonight. I say to my DH, "How is it possible an hour has gone by? It feels like a mere 15 minutes!"
But, I have book 3 in my kindle and the rest of the series to while away the summer!
So nice to find we all have that in common too.
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Linda, these are the only ones that might work for my fireplace shelves because of size and price.

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I am looking for inexpensive accessories that I can glam up. The medium size is $20 and would fit on shelf without crowding, but I don't know if I could paint it. It seems so highly glazed that it might not take paint. It is a candidate. The rest are not either because of size, price or style. I have a ikat tablecloth in almost exactly that color which will work on top of dining room table for some meals. It wouldn't be my first choice of color, but I can make it work and got it on super sale. When it came, I couldn't believe they were asking a hundred for it. It is quite flimsy material. I think I paid around 15, so it is was great for fooling around with what ikats would work.
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I love the clamshells Tiffany posted and would be willing to pay more for the real thing, but not for a reproduction. Real shells have practically disappeared from beaches all over the world. I love that bling in Tiffany's choices.
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P.S. Game of Thrones addicts. I would not start the books if I had known that the story has no ending. Five books, some of which are 1,500 pages and no ending. Martin and those in the know estimate two more books before we find out what happens. It only makes you more addicted and frustrated to have waded through thousands of pages to still be left hanging in HUGE ways.

Stef, it is NOT true that all the characters you love (assuming we are talking about people like Jon, Arya, Dany, Tyrion, Bran, Sansa, etc.) have already died in the books. There is some dispute about Jon, but Martin has hinted that the last scene with Jon where he does appear dead -- is not conclusive and he has asked fans at meetings with him if they thought Jon was dead, suggesting the cut away from what was going on does not mean he is dead, and I can't see the story coming to a climax without him. Certain pivotal characters have to survive to resolve the story. It is pretty easy to see which ones although the people on Game of Thrones boards argue constantly.

Do you guys know the central mystery? Everyone on the boards knows. I have to admit I didn't pick up on it and if true is quite fascinating. Who is Jon Snow's mother? Think about it. Jon is a Stark, but why might Ned adopt a Stark child not his own and tell no one, not even Cat, who Jon really is?
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Hey guys, I was thinking of starting a separate thread just for accessorizing my fireplace threads. Specifically, after I have discovered all these beautiful preserved flowers (sorry can only tolerate so much silk), I am thinking we could do a thread to design a floral display for my shelves and another for somewhere else. Once we have that done we can work more on accessorizing both fireplace shelves and bookcase shelves.

What you you guys say? Making Ramona's Shelves Stunning will be its title.

Karen and LB, I am especially interested in help with proportions as the fireplace shelves are too narrow and too deep, so that makes for an awkward balance.
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Ramona, I'm noticing the pattern on the face and deck are not matching up? Do you know if the seat cushion is upside down?
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No, the top pillow should have been turned around. I am sure installed by someone who didn't even look. The side pieces weren't matched precisely. There is a zipper on the bottom, very unusual choice for this sort of pillow. Maybe they were short on fabric? I have no idea of the manufacturer of this chair. There are numbers below, but no identifying mark otherwise. It is nicely made and the fabric is quality and to my taste even if it doesn't fit the final color scheme regarding all the different fabrics we may be matching. I would have loved to have had a matching ottoman. Again sentimental value as my mother sat in it several times a day to do her nebulizer and kitty Iris liked to hang around during those times.
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I have a crush on Jon Snow. Love his character. Also, really like Tyrion. Yeah, I read the books too and it is very hard waiting, but I really enjoyed reading them nonetheless.
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Thanks, Ramona. My husband was annoyed at me on my iPad and it wasn't Houzz this time- it was GOT theories! AHHHH!
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LOL. I gather you do not know the answer to the question above? I will not spoil, but when I read the theory, everything popped into place for me. Can't win for losing.
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You definitely have an advantage when you read the books to anything. I love to read and in several movies I would not have known half of the stuff had I not already read the books. I had a thought it wasn't his son but I cannot remember much about his sister and from the theory I just read, we didn't get enough info leading up to the series start or I really forgot a bunch. I am going to need to re-watch the first seasons. I definitely prefer the first two seasons so far and my hubby started watching last year so I keep telling him, you have to watch it from the start to understand. The least so he stops asking me questions!
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LOL the hints in the books about the key mysteries are way bigger. There is a whole sequence with Dany that was left completely out on HBO which might have given some hints to the major mystery thread. Also, the show did not do enough of the backstory and hasn't repeated certain key facts in the books. Ah. Even those of us in the know have no way of being sure.
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Linda, all decent lampshades are horrendously pricey.

Don't need lamps anywhere in my room. I have chandy, light shining onto tv, which I used to highlight the picture before I got the tv, potlights along the back wall, potlights in the stairwell and hall space you can't see, and two beautiful pewter floor lamps which can go on either end of the sofa. Nope, don't need lamps.

I can't remember what I was going to call that separate thread to help me accessorize my two sets of bookshelves.

Ramona's Sensational Shelves; Ramona's Stunning Shelves.

Okay I am going to create the ideabook first and allow anyone who wants to mess with it to do so, but you need to leave a message with your email in it for you to have editing privileges.

I am now thinking i want a tall flower arrangement which has some preserved flowers in it. No silk except for leaves and branches.
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Making Ramona's Shelves Stunning :-)
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I have new pricing from Lenoir on all my alternate sofas and waiting for fabric samples from them. I was thinking they might not want their pricing visible so I made the ideabook private. Just make a comment in it with your email for me to allow you in (I think that is the only way I can do that).

All the prices for all the different sofas were very reasonable.

edit: I found a way to add people if they are registered on the site
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I'm a little confused, I can see your living room book but there are no prices. Is this a completely private idea book?

I kind of like the idea of hanging a picture in the middle of the bookcases, like the one Linda posted above. Or in other words, hanging it on the face of the bookshelves. I wonder if you could add some nice trim to yours as well without too much bother?

I love the geodes, great natural element. I think what you're missing is maybe something metallic or crystal, maybe a pair of whichever of those elements works. I sort of like the idea of some black and white photos mixed in with the bookshelves too.
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leemiller, I tried to add you to the private ideabook, but there are several leemiller's. I'm going to go in again and see if I can figure it out.

You are showing as invited. Maybe try again or give me your email in a private message in another ideabook.

At least some of the furniture is going silver, most notably the dining room chairs. I also like the idea of pictures hanging from the bookcase. I'm not going to trim out the bookcases as when I move to retirement home that will be a problem. I realize they aren't the nicest, but I will live with that until my life space is more settled. If I added molding, I would have a hell of a time separating them.
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Ramona, the correct leemiller says ....'renting a place'
Click on her name on this post.
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Linda, the Furniture Finishes main thread? I deleted all the ottoman pics from the old ideabook so that people wouldn't be confused. I think you might be looking at an ideabook I have left up for support for the thread. I wish there was a better way to communicate when people had questions like this. I am going to put this same comment in the main thread in the Dilemma posting.

There are several white sofas in the sofa ideabook. I have deleted all but two sofas from the original ideabook and all the other ottomans.
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Ramona I'm not sure I did it right but I posted an idea to your bookcase ideas by commenting on it. Please let me know if that is the way it is done thanks
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Yes, I can see it. Thanks. I've been looking at obelisks but they are pricey. I like crystal a lot and have a crystal pillar candleholder on the mantel where it might not show to best advantage.

Feel free to post here. I just thought it would be good to be able to look at all the sofa options without having to wade through a zillion comments in the main thread. Once I make the sofa/ottoman decision, I will post the choices here and we can go back to being on this page full time. People can also post here about the sofa choices without having to wade through comments. over there. I just thought it would be easier. The instructions about how to do stuff on here are not always clear.
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Ramona, the preserved flowers are amazing. Thanks for hunting those down and sharing them.
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Ramona where are the sofas that you are trying to decide between. Sorry I'm being a duh (:(:(: but I looked and can't find what you've narrowed it down to
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d3sp, I made it private because I thought Lenoir might not like its prices on the innertoobs. I will add you to those allowed to see and comment. If you click on my ideabooks, it should appear for you now.
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Thanks Ramona I did see it. I will have to think about it bc I like several of the sofas thank you(:(:(:
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Thought of your room when I saw this:https://www.onekingslane.com/product/38181/1774174
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indomom, beautiful, gorgeous, but I think I am going to wait on getting the shells until I have sofa and ottoman for financial reasons and because there seem to be a lot of good ones out there when it comes to nautilus. Silver and mother of pearl. But you got it girl.
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Found these Ramona, thought nice price and would look great on the bookcases when done, they have 8 left so I can't see them going too quick

Just a thought
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I was looking at those Nautilus shells too, on OKL ... looking to have some stuff silver electro plated and this was a great example. My only issue is, that the actual surface and interior of those is so beautiful, I would never want to cover it!
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MY FABRIC SAMPLES HAVE ARRIVED!!! How you guys think I should share? I mean neutral is neutral. Hard to see the differences on the computer and my room doesn't have to worry as much about undertone as Stefanie's dining room I think. They are all acceptable to my eyes. I am going to try to eliminate some before posting.
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Ramona -- can't wait to see your new samples!!!!
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Has anything been do e to the room? Tried to follow this long post and seems not much has been completed yet.
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Are those three gray colors above other options?

From your first post of options it looks like the two beige colors are flipped between your rug and zebra chair? So that one is one the far left in a picture and then on the far right? I'm liking the one on the far right of your zebra chair (far left of the rug) if I'm seeing that correctly. Not loving the contrast between the white/lightest color in the middle and the rug.
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It is really hard to get a good picture with my iphone especially after dark. I will take new pictures in the sun room tomorrow.

Yes, I flipped them I was so excited. There is absolutely no grey in the samples. There is grey in the rug. They are ridiculously soft and the one I am leaning towards feel and looks like heavy silk. I am gianticaly impressed.

bev, we were waiting for fabric samples before we could even begin to make a decision and since I am not buying off the shelf, nothing will arrive fast. The paint I want isn't even available till mid-July and lessismore is designing a fabric for me. I also have made huge strides thinking about furniture finishes and decided to do a series of to the floor tablecloths. I have my first practice one cut. I am also waiting for trim samples.
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Have to say I love the one on the right
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If we are talking about the close up series of pictures, that is also my fav. I swear that in person it looks like a heavy silk with a slight sheen. The textured one has the silk name: dupioni pearl, but the texture doesn't make it look more like silk. It makes me think of a heavily textured cotton which is trying to be too hard to be fancy. The one that appears too white is thinnest of the bunch and looks a lot like our fav except for color. I honestly wasn't expecting them to be this beautiful.
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Ramona that is so exciting and yes, I was talking about the same photos!
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Ramona, I like the fabric on the right, what is the name of it? I think if you just rotate the samples on the rug they will be in the same order of the other samples. It just looks upside down.

OFF-GASES

I have read about Sunbrella and their off-gases. Here is something of interest. Although Sunbrella says they have eliminated this concern and removed the formaldehyde, it might be worthy to check with them before purchasing something that you will be sitting on often. Ask if there is any other negative factors their fabrics will have indoors.
http://www.upholster.com/upholstery-forum/index.php?topic=9998.5;wap2

JuneC:
I know Sunbrella (and probably other solution dyed acrylics) is loaded with formaldehyde. I used to get really bad sinus headaches when cutting Sunbrella with a hot knife indoors with the A/C on. Now I work with it with the bay doors open and I haven't used the hot knife in probably a year.

From the EPA (US government Environmental Protection Agency for you non-us people) website...

"Formaldehyde, a colorless, pungent-smelling gas, can cause watery eyes, burning sensations in the eyes and throat, nausea, and difficulty in breathing in some humans exposed at elevated levels (above 0.1 parts per million). High concentrations may trigger attacks in people with asthma. There is evidence that some people can develop a sensitivity to formaldehyde. It has also been shown to cause cancer in animals and may cause cancer in humans. Health effects include eye, nose, and throat irritation; wheezing and coughing; fatigue; skin rash; severe allergic reactions. May cause cancer. May also cause other effects listed under "organic gases." "


BigJohn:
You might want to look into an ozone generator (see my post above) to rid your shop of any mold & mildew spores as well as many other pollutants. Read up on it, just might help! The type of machine I bought requires you to vacate while it's in use.


FROM SUNBRELLA TEAM:
With regards to Sunbrella furniture fabrics and formaldehyde, several years ago we reformulated our furniture finish so that it no longer emits that chemical. Although independent testing has always shown Sunbrella only contained trace elements of formaldehyde, we felt it was best to remove it completely since there have been so many concerns in recent years. As you may or may not be aware, our furniture fabric is Greenguard Certified for Children and Schools. This in itself is evidence that using Sunbrella inside or outside is safe.

With regards to our awning and marine grade fabrics, those still contain trace elements of formaldehyde.
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Tiffany, thanks for posting that. I would have never thought about formaldehyde gasses coming from a fabric. Good that they took care of it. I can't help thinking here is Ramona buying quality furniture, which would have no gassing (unlike Ikea, etc) and the fabric might have had that issue. So much to be aware of.
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Less, I just got the fabric samples and the color chart for Spoonflower today. I am a little confused about which way to go, but the silk/cotton seems a little flimsy for the chair cushions although the polished cotton seems fine for chairs. I love polished cotton. Maybe I would get the polished cotton for the chair cushions and the silk/cotton for the sofa pillows. Lots of ways to go and I am getting a little confused. Maybe I need to get the sofa first and then play around with the accent fabrics.

It might be best to have Spoonflower sent you what I got too. Let me know if you want me to order that for you. We are all summer busy which is fine. Slow and easy. I am thinking I want lumbar pillows for the sofa and maybe cylinder accent pillows for both elbows and neck support when lying down.

I am so very grateful you are willing to tackle for this for me.

I am waiting on tape edging samples from both Vogue and Sherrill. Too tired and sleep drugged to type coherently.

More tomorrow.
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Hi Ramona - With school just out here, I've been inundated with "young-uns," just got the last one back home this evening and have a break before they come back on Wednesday, so hope to post some more possible pattern refinements before then. But, no hurrying on my end to worry about :-) I just hope I'm on the right track :-)
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I like the one on the right in chair photo. The one on the left in rug photo.
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Ramona, any further forward in your likings?
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Linda, I am going to retake pictures of fabric with better focus, light, etc. Despite what I said above, I seem to like the flat weave material while others like the textured one. I misunderstood what people were saying a couple of days ago. I got some trim samples yesterday and will post them later today with new pics.

Everyone's favorite is the more expensive grade. I am wondering what people are seeing on the screen that influences them so.

Once I get a few more tram samples I have ordered, I will be ready to make the final decisions.

I am also waiting for those preserved peonies to arrive to see if I can use them in an arrangement for the fireplace bookcase. And oh, my aqua ceramic horse. I should get both soon.
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I absolutely, from the photos, couldn't make any comment on the fabrics. You will have to decide on the feel and weight of the material as you are the only one with any tactile access! From the vantage of my monitor, it is more a choice of color and I was inclined to want an ivory over a white. Did you get a sample of the fabric from the ottoman that you love or did you order it? Because I'm thinking that sofa fabric should be complementary to that. Or did you plant to spec fabric for ottoman too?
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sofa and ottoman will definitely be in same fabric and have same trim to tie them together as we discovered that Sherrill was bringing on Sunbrella but they are so new to the line that none of the dealers have samples. I got samples directly from Sunbrella via Lenoir.

Less, you are the person who recommended Lenoir originally and also Blinds Chalet???
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Noooo (wish I was) I want to say Tiffany was?
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Lenoir first came up when Steph was looking for the console quicker I believe?
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I also liked the cream/ivory colors rather than white for the fabric choice.
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None of the choices are white although they may look so. i am definitely going for cream/ivory.
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Ramona

Saw this and thought of you for your bookcase
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Ramona, are you an Egyptologist? I know you said "scholar" somewhere along the line, but what is your area? (if, of course, you don't mind :-)
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Ramona, just make sure your off-whites for both paint and fabric are from the same family of color (undertone) and that your values are not the same. It will look like a near miss if there's not some contrast between them. If there is not much pigment in the paint then perhaps a fabric leaning a little more toward a crisper off-white might work well. Just thoughts and MO.
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Less, no I am not an Egyptologist!!! I do respect that culture and think that those ancient gods had something going for them in the sense that they helped build consciousness in the ancient world. There is a book I have not finished reading, Gods of Our Fathers, which proves that monotheism and Judaism/Christianity evolved out of ancient Egyptian monotheism. Absolutely fascinating and the evidence is undeniable. I would fear to place one of those images in my home without fully understanding the implications. I am attracted to Bast, who is a cat god figure.

I am a cultural studies scholar which is difficult to explain as it is a relatively new discipline. We look at how language makes meaning and constructs culture through examining mainly Western cultural productions and mostly contemporary culture. It is a version of cultural anthropology with a twist focusing a lot on gender, race, philosophy of language and, for me and my mentor, science fiction and the philosophy of science.

Thanks Linda, but as I said: be careful with ancient images you do not understand. Also, although I am deeply attracted to Buddhism, I would not have a Buddha in my home as a decorative object. I would have to commit in some way. I was raised half in the Catholic church as half the family dragged me there and formally Presbyterian, if you can believe that one. It was good preparation for being open to all kinds of thought systems.
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Karen, I am fascinated by all this undertone discussion, but don't really get it. My yellows are all buttery. The moldings are stark white and cannot be painted at this time. I don't see any green in my yellow, so what does that mean? What exactly is a value in this terminology? I have wanted to take a color class for the longest time. Color theory fascinates me.

The creams in the zebra material and rug are a perfect match. I am test sewing a full length tablecloth for the dining room. It is cream and yellow, and it won't be right when the furniture is refinished. It does seem to have a green undertone. It is just for me to learn how to do the circle in the best way possible and I can use it on the glass table in the sunroom later.

I also have leftover zebra fabric and the fabric that the piping was done in on the MGM chairs, so I can put that on pillows for sofa and/or make more piping out of that fabric. There are a lot of options, but I am concentrating on choosing the sofa/ottoman fabric and trim tape. I have a few samples coming from Vogue fabric store and one of the Sherrill tapes is a real contender.

I can't seem to get a grade determination out of Sherrill for my favorite fabric, but am waiting till I get the other trim samples to make decisions and order.
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Value or tone is a measure of how light or dark a color is, without any consideration for its hue (color). By adding a relative amount of white or black in a hue can be achieved a variety of tones.
Value or tone is that how light or dark it seems is also influenced by what’s going on around it. What appears light in one circumstance, can appear darker in another circumstance, for instance when it’s surrounded by even lighter tones.
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Ramona, what is your wall color?
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butter yellow, very pale
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So you don't have the color name or manufacturer?
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I would say you have yellow colors that have yellow undertones and whites are white, You have some off whites that are creamy ?
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Karen, I can't. It was a local company and they have changed their formulas and renamed everything. I am planning to take my old paint to SW and have them make me quarts of touch up paint as my gallons are starting to go bad. My yellow is really the color of natural butter, my whites are stark white (that seems to be what builders do). Then I would have the formulas. My off whites are creamy. I don't see any problem with the fixed colors I have. LB seems to have it correct.
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Stefanie
Did your horse figure make it there yet? I'm anxious to see it.
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Ramona
tracking says it will arrive 30th!!
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Linda
Ramona

I'd like to comment on - your comment to me

"Be careful with ancient images you do not understand"

This was your reply to a 'ornament' of a pharaoh that I sent you, which is

"Cast in quality designer resin",

I didn't find it in my back yard,

Houzz also sells paintings and statues of this type of thing.

So I suppose my question would be, with all of the different beliefs out there how would I know how not to offend anyone in the future because I clearly don't 'understand' all beliefs

The artist Ed Paschke who painted the 'Amber Pharaoh' which has now appeared in over 2,000 idea books on houzz, as well as

your ideabook,

which you commented on -

Now I get you were writing about the sliders only but it is now part of a stream of comments growing (in no way am I saying you approved of the art and what it could represent)

Now reading some of the comments on the ideabooks quite a few enjoy the art in the -

Jessica Lagrange (Designer) photo for Houzz in which the art and sliders were discussed at length on Stefanies thread

So I suppose I'm saying please teach don't preach, you have no idea of my understanding on anything. Your beliefs are your own, if I send an idea to you in good faith, please ignore or just say thanks, (yes which you did in part)

My intention here is not to offend, clearly to show I was offended by your remark.
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tiffany66
Oh Linda, I so did not take Ramona's comment to you as being critical, but more along the lines of "tread carefully into the unknown." You have been generous with your contributions and willingness to help. I just don't see it in your nature to offend.
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Tiffany thanks for the kind words

But as I said

how can I tread carefully, there's always gonna be someone offended by something at some point

As we seen in Karen's rant, (her words) she took offence to Stefanies words on design.

For me to tread carefully

I would need a list of topics I'm not allowed to talk about

and that as we know is not free speech!

Anyway at the pool, it's soooo hot, ready for a nice ice cream then to continue to work on my tan (which is taking forever because I'm from Scotland!) lol

I remember seeing a book heading once

"Don't sweat the small stuff"

Have a great day
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Linda, I wasn't critiquing your choice in any way or preaching to anyone. I was simply stating that I am wary of what images I would choose to put in my home without understanding their implications. I believe these images have power so I wouldn't use them purely decoratively. That was all I was saying. I was making a philosophical statement. As in, I wouldn't use a Buddha because I am not spiritually committed enough to Buddha. This had nothing to do with you in any way. And if someone asked me, I would say that I am more a Buddhist than not. This is a subtle point but had nothing to do with design per se but with philosophy. I'm sorry you were offended, but I was just stating my philosophical position. Please don't take it negatively. You are a lovely person. I would not want to make you feel bad in any way. I wasn't offended in any way. I just would personally be cautious about which energies I brought into my home. That was my only point.
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Linda I think she meant it as a generalization not a warning to you specifically.

My life, as challenging and as sad as it has been for me this year, has no room for the negavitity of abusive rants and the excuses for them.
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Tiffany, nice to see you around!! Ramona is never offending to me or anyone else and is rather understanding. I believe Tiff is correct. I think you're both lovely ladies that I am happy to know. Sometimes we need to laugh with each other instead of jumping to the wrong conclusion. Linda, you are quite the pool gal. Lucky you.

I don't use a lot of figures like that because I think they'd scare me at night, ha! I am an avid horror movie buff so that probably explains it.

I made the mistake of having Barefoot Contessa on last weekend in the background and my hubby begged me to try and make the stuff. If you don't know me, let me tell you, I don't like to cook. I am trying to be nice because how good he had been and now I'm stuck making this apple pear crisp and chicken ordeal. Sigh. Never again and on a Saturday at that.
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Stefanie, I am sorry to have left your dilemma. It was becoming too difficult to read.

Stefanie, you have accomplished a lot on your home and have a lot yet to do. But it will happen over time. I wish you every happiness in you new home and the many memories you will create there, regardless if every detail is not present. In the grand scheme of things sometimes the details become insignificant. Take your time and enjoy the process so that your home reflects you as a couple not a photo opt rendition of perfection.
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I took the comments to mean, tread lightly on other cultures beliefs. They shouldn't be placed in one's home as art without knowing the full significance of their meaning. Which made total sense, when she said was a cultural studies scholar. JM2C
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Stefanie

I can't do horror movies, If I do watch one I need my husband Allan to go with me when I need the bathroom - total wimp!

Cooking - gosh I have only started making simple things and I've been with my husband 23 years ! Lol

In Scotland we ate a lot of hot takeaways!

Because it's so hot here, takeaways are out, well not completely!

Let us know how your 'meal' works out

The reason we are here in California is to make me well - hopefully, (Last 3 years have been the worst) hence always at the pool as I don't have a job and the idea is for me to relax. But to be honest I'm in pain everyday so it might sound a great life, but I'd rather be working and healthy.

Ramona, thanks for the response, I clearly took it to heart when I shouldn't have.
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Linda, I'm glad you understand and your comment is more evidence for one of my conclusions which is that a lot of us spend time here because we are not well enough to be out and about. All the more reason to take things with a grain of salt and always assume the best, not the worst. I am also in pain everyday and wish I could return to California to get better. I have a suggestion although it is not inexpensive. The hot springs at Sonoma Mission Inn is incredibly healing and unlike any other I have ever been to. It is the main reason I want to live in Sonoma. There is a public version but I believe you have to live there to use that one.

The Inn itself is expensive, but you can stay at a less expensive hotel and book a treatment which gives you access to the pools. There is something special in the water there. The history of the spring is itself fascinating as it just disappeared at one point and the hotel fell into disuse. Then it reappeared.

I highly recommend you take a little trip there. It is now owned by Fairmont Hotels and is quite elite. You don't need to book an expensive treatment to get the effect of the water. Pick anything reasonably priced and get there early in the day so you can soak and soak.
http://www.fairmont.com/sonoma/willow-stream/
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tiffany66
Stefanie congratulations on you new kitchen skills. Since you don't like cooking this is for you. Impress him with meals cooked "En Papillotte" -- French, healthy, quick, make ahead and barely any cleanup.

http://www.marthastewart.com/250174/parchment-paper-cooking-school-lesson-no11






AND GREAT DESSERTS AS WELL.

Pears
http://apuginthekitchen.com/2013/02/17/stuffed-pears-en-papillote/

Strawberries and liquor
http://cookeatandrelax.com/?p=1708

Bananas by Emeril
http://www.marthastewart.com/999170/banana-dessert-en-papillot


Bon appétit mon ami
Profitez de l'expérience
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Tiff, you had me at barely any clean up. :)
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Thanks Ramona

I will have a look at the info online

I appreciate it
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I haven't been in a number of years, but I really liked Glen Ivy Hot Springs in Corona, CA.
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Oh Noooees. I haz a sad. My entire ideabook with sofas and ottomans has been erased. All that research!!! All the pricing.
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Ramona.....Send a email to support. I have seen other people ask to have "deleted ideabooks" restored.
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Linda
Any luck with ideabook

Mines says (null) no photos but 27 comments, but dosen't show the comments
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I emailed support. They haven't gotten back. There are a lot of glitches on this site but it is huge and with a heavy weight of pictures.
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oh what a bummer, I hope they fix it!
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My horse arrived. It is just as pictured. Obviously, my iphone does not take a quality picture and my shelves by fireplace need a lot of help, but I am happy with it.

[houzz=
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Great horse! What a beautiful color.
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I'm glad you like it! It's really hard to see the size of it in your photo but it looks darker than I had thought. It's cute.
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It isn't, that is shadow. The photo on the Novica site is precisely accurate except you can't see the slight crazing that is part of the finish. I will take more photos later.
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Nice horse Ramona(:(:(:
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Hey Ramona, been kinda of quiet on your end. Is all okay?
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Tiffany, I've been dealing with illness and prioritizing a few things. I am also waiting for the paint for the chairs to become available. Also budget took a wrong turn, so I need a few weeks to get other things done and get back on schedule.
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Rest up, girlfriend! School will be back in session before you know it!
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Thanks, Ramona. Just wanted to check to see how you are doing. Hope you get everything back on track soon. I understand completely, because there is the plan we make and then the plan the Universe makes for us to surprise us. Feel better.
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Feel better and decorating can wait. Find some fun thoughts to help you through!
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bubbasgma
Ramona....Long ago I remember someone talking about a really large, amazing, art show/street fair in your neck of the woods. Does anything like that ring a bell?
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tiffany66
Ramona, I just saw this Bernhardt sofa on Josh. It is kind of a cross between some of the sofas you were looking at. Not your color but interesting look.

https://www.jossandmain.com/Sophisticated-Gray-Gisele-Sofa~VLH2248~E12083.html


Also look on Lenoir's website they have tons of sofa photos.

http://www.lenoirempirefurniture.com/shop/sofa-collection/wesley-hall/sofa/discountadditional/32021/index.php
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East Lansing has an arts/crafts fair every spring. I usually miss it because among other things, walking is not my strong suit with still another health issue. I've been once.

When my paint comes into Home Depot, I will get active again as we choose colors. I haven't checked this week, but did last week.
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I am planning on buying from Lenoir!!
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Ramona....next year, I'll pick up peginvalpo, kathyinmich, and we'll come get you!!!! Together we could do it!!!!
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Wait! Better idea. Margo will come get me, then Peg and Kathy and you!!!!!
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Found this interesting bowl that might work for either you or Stefanie. https://www.jossandmain.com/Regal-Details-Mukkara-Bowl~HIKE1018~E12761.html
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Love that bowl Tiff!
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LB It looks like something that may work on Stefanie's dining table. Large enough at a good price.
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It seems very versatle for all seasons. Kind of a modern version of the shell look.. I think that is what drew me to it.
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Ramona
Okay, so I have a quart of the silver Ralph Lauren paint. There are actually many shades of silver and the ability to tint the metallics any color. I am going to start experimenting with the basic silver on the chairs, or one chair to be exact and then go from there.
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You'll be fine Ramona. No worries. Just wondering what the ratio is to adding the tint to the metallic. I tried that a long time ago, can't remember what I did. But the metallic properties were compromised a bit. So maybe test the ratio first. Let dry. See if it keeps the metallic finish. If it doesn't, you can always finish with a polyurethane.
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They can tint it in the store anyway I wish. So I am going to see how I like this color and if it is a no go, we can all talk about what to add.
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I'm going to repost three of my inspiration pictures and then when I get started on the test chair we can all weigh in on what to do.
[houzz=Suburban DC - Cahill Residence]
[houzz=Ashbury Heights Residence 2]

[houzz=My Living Dining Room Ideas]
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Ramona, already I am in love with the Ashbury chair, much more sophisticated finish. The other seems too shinny for your spindle backs.
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Ah, the Ashbury chair finish IS the goal. The first picture is just to keep in mind the overall look, the punch of how the chairs fit in the room. The first chairs are silver plate applied in rolls. I'm not going that far.
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Okay, I have a lot to post and not enough time today. I tested the RL silver paint on a piece of stained wood and it looks great. I didn't read instructions about waiting two hours before second coat and so needed three coats because the stain was dark like my chairs.

It definitely has a hammered silver look. Here are the RL colors. The picture is quite accurate.
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I'm starting with the silver plated RL on the chairs. I forgot to buy the Valspar antiquing glaze, but that is a different store anyhow. Parceling out brands to different stores might make some business sense, but I don't understand it.

I have appointments today, but I may get to play a little in the early evening on the chairs. I also got a liquid sander product so that I don't have to sand into the carved areas of the chairs and around those spindles.

My plan is to apply the RL silver plated with a sea sponge as they recommend that for corners and insist on their special sea sponge roller for walls. It creates the hammered look. Since there aren't any real places to roll the chairs, I'm just going to use the sea sponge all over. I plan to take pictures before and at each stage.

If I am lucky, I will get a first coat on tonight.

I also liked some of the other colors for the china cabinet.

Remember we decided to do a full length tablecloth for the table for this summer anyway, and then I might have time, energy courage to do the table next summer. I have almost finished a test tablecloth in order to perfect my own method for creating a round, to the floor table cloth. Unfortunately, it is the wrong color for the set but I can use it on the round glass table in the sunroom. I had the material and wanted to practice. I am thinking of getting a lavender velveteen for the table and using a square white topper which can be removed and washed. Anyway, when that is finished, you all can weigh in on how you like the look of it even if the color is wrong.

Also the china cabinet is going to be professionally done and that will take some time because the one guy in the area is very busy. Once I get the chairs the way I like them, I will have him over for a discussion and pricing.

If you go here: http://www.ralphlaurenpaint.com/specialty_finishes/metallic

You can select all the colors on the rows and get both a bigger image and the color name.

I am very happy with the RL color choices and think I might put the oyster on the china cabinet. That would result in a kind of pearlized finish. I might also put that on the table legs and skirt.

I am feeling better physically and if that holds up I might get some real progress in the next four weeks. I also might get a primo roommate on Friday and that will help with ordering the sofa and ottoman from Lenoir. I had to do my taxes and was too exhausted to do so (I am late every year because of my illness), but I should have an idea of my refund in a couple of days. That and a roommate and feeling better will allow me to move forward on this. I hope these pieces of my life fall together. I also have a lot of academic work to do in the next few weeks.
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Oh, here is a blog on using RL metallic paint for furniture. Good info.
http://littlemisspennywenny.blogspot.com/2011/02/faux-mirrored-metallic-night-stands.html
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So glad you've got more energy, Ramona. It will be fun to watch your room progress. I like the silver you've chosen so far.
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Ramona, love the blog. Her chest turned out great. Can't wait to see progress pics.
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Glad you're feeling better. The chairs will be beautiful!
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OMG, I had the worse day yesterday just trying to get Valspar Antiquing Glaze. I had two appointments and thought I would pick up the last thing I needed to start my project between them. Well, I used a quarter tank of gas, went to four stores, including two Loew's because the first one wouldn't answer the phone and I had to drive there only to find they didn't have it, but the other Loew's on the other side of town did. So, I got there, found it, wasn't at all sure because it look like it was black instead of burnt umber, but bought it anyway. After this exhausting day of driving all over town in the rain, I had to visit the bathroom quickly when I got home. I dropped the bag holding it on the kitchen floor, not all that hard and ran for the bathroom. Later I went back and found the lid on the bottle had cracked, the glaze had spilled into the bag, etc. In short, I had a mess on my hands. I managed to save almost half of the bottle by holding the bag over the open bottle and cutting a hole into it, draining a lot of the spilled glaze back into the bottle. The funny thing is that the blog I linked to above has a similar story of spilling half a bottle of the stuff in her purse in her many travails of experimenting with different processes to finish her project.

So Valspar Antiquing Glaze is dark, dark almost black brown and is in a bottle which must be handled very carefully.

I doubt I am working on my chairs today as I do want to go vote, and I am thinking I need a day's rest from yesterday's debacles. Hopefully, I will have enough glaze to do all my chairs because Lowe's is the only place that has the stuff, it seems like half a world away - in a different county by the time I get there and they only have three bottles left.

No one is glazing anything anymore according to all these stores. Ask for glaze and the salespeople look at you like you are trying to do something from the 20th century and to get with the program. Glaze, bah. Loew's does have Venetian Plaster, something I long to try.

That's my story and I am sticking to it.
http://www.valsparpaint.com/en/find-the-right-product/interior/decorative-paints/faux-antiquing-glaze.html
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So sorry to hear about your fiasco. I would try some experimenting first. More metallic silver than glaze. Different ratios. Very small amounts. Use a 1/2" to 3/4" bottle cap to measure product. Test on something that has the same base color of the current chairs.
Options:
2 caps silver : 1 cap glaze
3 caps silver : 1 cap glaze
4 caps silver : 1 cap glaze
A guideline. You will be able to see what look you prefer.
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Yes, I am planning experimentation, but I was going to paint and then glaze. You are suggesting mixing the paint and the glaze. I'm not sure how that will affect the RL formulas which give the hammered look.
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What a day you had! It's great that you were able to save so much of the bottle. I'm sure you were well motivated by the long drive back to Lowe's :)
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Sorry, I forgot. I'm so used to mixing. Yes, you are probably right with a textured hammered finish. Maybe you could try a sample by mixing. Although, it might result in a more uniform mix of the coloring. Probably won't give the random coloration differences you want.
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I hate it when stuff like that happens. I try and think myself into a "fairytale" mentality where spilling some paint, glaze or blood (most often, it's blood) will magically turn the project into a success.
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Ramona, so happy that you are feeling better and can finally work on those chairs. I know you have been itching to see what they will look like. It is awful to have a vision in your head and then have to wait to see it live. I hope it lives up to your expectations.

Such a bad day in getting the glaze. What a horrible nightmare. Thank goodness you did not loose all that glaze. Smart to have drained the bag contents. Good news for you that it was contained "within" the bag and not all over your floor.

Did you check online to see their product availability? I went through the same thing yesterday looking for a specific garden planter. I found their online inventories were extremely accurate. Plus it says you can purchase online and pick up at the store's customer service desk. I don't know if they will do store to store shiping to get it closer to you, but they might.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_98278-4-007.0098278.003_0__?ipTrail=108.38.64.128&zipCode=48917&address2=&state=MI&address1=320+Marketplace+Blvd&catalogId=10051&productId=3087555&city=Lansing&selectedLocalStoreBeanArray=%5Bcom.lowes.commerce.storelocator.beans.LocatorStoreBean%407f797f79%5D&storeNumber=0777&langId=-1&storeId=10151

http://www.lowes.com/ContentDisplayView?articleTitle=Shipping+and+Delivery&lwpg=378641591&catalogId=10051&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&langId=-1&storeId=10151&storeId=10151#
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What do you guys think of me replacing my rug with this one? I can put the trellis in my bedroom.
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The price is an astounding $ 185 for 8x 10
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That rug is gorgeous!
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Lovely rug. What about the trellis in the DR area?
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I don't want a rug in dining room. I am a slob and don't feel it is necessary. It will look wonderful in my bedroom. So do you think I should buy it? I am worried the color might be off. Such a bargain seems silly to pass up.
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The purchase of this rug, although absolutely beautiful, will have an impact on the colors you can choose for the sofa. I remember that when you received the trellis rug you said the color was not what you expected. I would at the least see if they can email you a photo directly to your email so you might get a clearer picture of what you will actually receive.

Not trying to be negative, because that is the kind of rug I would so buy, if it worked in my room.
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I don't think they can/will send me another picture, but this is a comment from the review section:

I bought the sand color and was afraid that it would be too dark based on the other reviews. It looks quite nice in fact - not too dark and not too light. The manufacturer was not mentioned on the website. It's nuLoom
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It sounds like a great (really great) buy. When I click on the link, I see a price of $617. It "appears" to be a beige/taupe with a more pink undertone? Is that what anyone else sees?
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Just because ...
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less, you have to put in the 70% off code
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I do see pink in the photo at least. Grrr. I don't want to make a mistake. For that price, it could go in one of the other bedrooms without much lost.

Also, there is an undertone of pink on my MGM chairs, not because I wanted it but because of how the refinisher worked and because of the undertone of the wood.
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Sorry, I thought I was commenting on another thread. I deleted it here. Oops!
p.s. I like that rug a lot! I just bought one on the same site for $65 (smaller & different design, but great price).
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I didn't alter the photo of the rug, but when its placed in the room photo, it seems less "pink" - someone had called the color "oatmeal" on the site in the reviews too. It's really hard to do this kind of thing online, but at that price .... Depending on the rug color, would it alter your fabric choices for the ottoman and sofa? Or were those already ordered?
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I haven't ordered the sofa and ottoman as I am waiting on some dollars that keep getting put off. However the fabric I have chosen is neutral but has a yellow undertone. This is the reason for my hesitation. I did send an email asking them if the rug has a pink undertone. The whiter choices in the fabric are not nearly as nice.
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Hmmm, plus you have the butter yellow walls and true white trim. So ... I don't know!
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I love the Damask Rug. For me, it looks so neutral. Cream/ivory, maybe light beige in the rug. I think any sofa fabric color, zebra print chair color and wall color will be fine.

I think they will also be interesting if not exactly matching. I envision an elegant, sophisticated, gentle, serene, soft neutral calming space. With that may light colors, I would not want them to match.
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Here is the houzz picture of it

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OKAY, LB convinced me. I pushed the buttons. It is on its way.
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I think it will work for you. love it!
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Didn't realise you were still posting on this thread at the minute, glad I came across it again

Love the rug
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L.B ?
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Ramona, what has happened to your original vision of blue and white and crisp?
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IMHO, Tiffany seems to be the only voice of reason. A good deal is not a good deal if you don't have all your ducks in a row. You may want to thumb your nose at undertones, but in the end, it will not work to your advantage.
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Karen, I think there are no serious undertones of the new rug choice. Seems to be very neutral. Yellow walls does not dictate that only yellow undertones will work in a room. It depends where and on what items the colors are used.
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Karen, Ramona already has the green color in the zebra chairs too. There can be so many ways to approach this. Blue and white. Ramona will have to decide the direction.
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The room was never going to be crisp blue and white. I was going to be blue/purple, butter yellow with white molding. I have creams and pale, pale sage to the point of really being neutral in the MGM chairs and creamy yellow in the reclining chairs which will move into the sun room. I thought we established that the blue you are seeing in the pictures is an effect of my iphone camera. The colors that appear blue are actually VERY grey/violet. If the rug has a pink undertone, I won't like that, but we aren't sure that it does. It is not described that way by any of the reviews.
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another example of a finish to try and copy

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RUGSUSA told me that they will take care of my problem. I am waiting for their email right now. Here are the pictures I took to send to them.
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Depo SD
Wow Ramona, that looks nothing like their photo!
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How disappointing! Oh well, onward and upward--glad they are working with you.
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They must have very pink sand in India ;-) ...
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Well, to be fair, sand comes in a lot of different colors, but here in USA it clearly refers to an off white, beige color, not brown. Yes, this is a brown with undertones of pink.
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Side by side from their site
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Very disappointing! I'm happy they will rectify this!
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I think all they need is to see those pix side by side as you've shown them. Doesn't look at all like what was pictured. I know you were a tad worried and figured you could use rug elsewhere if it was not close, but this looks way off!
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Exactly, it is so off, I cannot use it anywhere else. I have an allergy to brown.
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LOL
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Okay, Google helped me get a full refund, including return postage on the rug. So although I have recommended Rugs USA many times on this site, I can say that without Google I would have been, at least, partially stuck.

I am sorry that I have not progressed on my rooms and thank all of you for your efforts, especially, lessismore. I haven't abandoned anything at all, I just need more time than average because of my health and huge job responsibilities. I am still committed to having all of you help me with this room. Luckily, we have Stefanie's threads to amuse us and keep our minds in the game.
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Take your time! The room and all of us will be here. I think the Gods are telling me to quit because it seems I keep being hit with something else. Sigh.
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Ramona, no worries on my account. I save all my files so whenever it works out. So glad you were able to 86 that rug! I can completely understand buying it (it was great deal) and equally,NEEDING to make it go away! Score one for google (returns are the best thing about credit cards, that whole buyer insurance thing ...)
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Ramona, I'm really sorry about your rug. That's a real bummer. Just an FYI, when you see the word "Sand", you will know immediately it has a pink undertone. Are you ready to pick something else or do you have any idea of a direction?
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Ramona
But it didn't have so much of a pink undertone unless you count the pink in the brown.

I am staying with current rug unless I find another great deal like that one, but will be more careful. Rugs USA should not put together tans and ivories.

I am waiting for the furniture refinisher to come over to look at the china cabinet and fix a few small things. He is horrendously busy as he is the only one in the area who actually does all projects and at a reasonable price. He was supposed to come last monday. Time to call again. We have very limited choices here or I would move on.

I have been working on orchid arrangement for shelving by tv Not finished yet.
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Ramona, I've posted this before and am doing so again because the information really takes the mystery out of color. There is a difference between mass color tone (brown) and the undertone (pink). It only rears its ugly head when you attempt to MIX undertones within a scheme. There's a learning curve, but if you keep this on file and refer to it when selecting paint, fabrics, etc., you will find how easy it can be. It just takes patience.

Understanding Undertones = Color Success by Kate Smith 3 Comments Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on google_plusone_share Share on pinterest_share More Sharing Services 2 When it comes to color, it’s what’s underneath that counts. Color is dynamic and energetic. Every color has a vibrant public persona, but it also has more subtle attributes that the human eye does not immediately see. This is what makes color both fascinating and frustrating. One of the most effective techniques for alleviating frustration and mastering color is to understand how color undertones affect what the eye actually sees. More than meets the eye It is easy to be cajoled into believing that your first viewing of a color gives you all the information you need. Don’t fall for the trap! Often a color’s unique qualities remain concealed until you take a closer look. What you see at first glance is the color’s mass tone, but what is less obvious is the color’s undertone. The undertone of a color is often hidden from view and takes a bit of effort to uncover. Let me assure you that if at first you fail to recognize its presence and power, it will show up when you least expect it. Disrespected undertones will cause color schemes you thought were perfect to feel amiss. To understand undertone you need to know that colors have both mass tone and undertone. Mass tone is the color you immediately see. Undertone is the characteristic of the color that is often concealed when a color is viewed in isolation. Undertones become more apparent when they are used in combination with other colors. In some colors, the mass tone and undertone are very similar; other colors have undertones that are quite different from their mass tone. A true blue, for example, will have a mass tone and an undertone that are very close to the same hue. However, turquoise has an undertone of green, and periwinkle has an undertone of violet. These undertones are easy to see to the trained eye, but with other colors, that isn’t always the case. The more complex and less pure the color is, the more difficult it can become to determine the undertone. In my experience, either not recognizing, or incorrectly identifying undertone causes most color mishaps. Finding the undertone Understanding how to select the correct color is important, but selecting the correct color that also has the right undertone is even more important. Here’s why: if you’ve ever seen or created a scheme or design that should work, but doesn’t, it was probably the undertones that were off (rather than the colors themselves). The selected colors may have undertones that were fighting each other instead of working together. The mass tone and the undertone of the colors you select should work together to create a harmonious color scheme. Nothing undermines a good design more than clashing undertones. Now that you understand the importance of identifying the undertone, the next step is to learn how to detect it. Skilled colorists and designers know how to take the guesswork out of this process. For those just learning, the easiest way to see the undertone is to compare it to other colors. Start by looking at your chosen color alongside other colors from the same color family. Although the hues all belong to the same color family, you will see how their undertones are different. For example, some blues will lean more purple or red, while others will slant more green or yellow. Comparing your swatch to the pure color is another way to see the undertone. If you place your blue next to a pure blue, the undertones will become apparent. This technique works for white as well. If you thought white was exempt from the undertone issue, think again. When looking at a white swatch on its own, it may be almost impossible to distinguish the undertone, but it’s there. Look at the same swatch next to pure white and it will mysteriously turn into a faint yellow or pink or some other color. That is the magic of undertone. Neutral territory Neutrals are a bit more difficult. You can compare neutrals to other similar neutrals, but that doesn’t guarantee you will easily recognize the color of their undertone. Neutrals are the toughest to get right, but don’t let that discourage you. One at a time, place your swatch next to a pure red, yellow, green, blue, orange, violet and yellow. If your neutral has a green undertone, placing it next to red (the complement of green) will bring the green undertone into clear view. The good news when it comes to neutrals is that while they can have an undertone of any color. Beige often has undertones that are yellow, green, red/pink and occasionally orange. Gray on the other hand usually has blue, green or purple undertones. Creating harmonies It’s important to identify the undertone of a paint color because selecting colors with harmonious undertones is the secret to creating a successful color scheme. Interior designers and paint color consultants know this and use undertones to create flow from room to room. If you think like a designer, your wall color will always coordinate perfectly with your carpet and furnishings. Designers also use undertone to skillfully emphasize or downplay elements within a home. For example soft olive green will intensify the warm red tones in a wooden cabinet; terra cotta will make the red tones in that same cabinet seem less obvious. It just depends on what effect you are trying to achieve. When designers want very subtle color, they know that it can be successfully achieved by finding a white or gray that has an undertone of the desired color. For example, using a white that has a pink undertone can give the appearance of a pink wall without it feeling as overwhelming as using a true pink paint. Evaluating the color and the undertones is well worth the effort. Expertly choosing colors that harmonize is the foundation for designing beautiful rooms. It may seem challenging at first, but like most things – practice makes perfect!

Read more at: http://www.sensationalcolor.com/understanding-color/theory/understanding-undertones-color-success-060#.VDVOMrvLiEo | Sensational Color
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Regarding finding the undertones of color. You can compare that color with other colors in the same family of color like Reds or blues, or greens etc. A palette of red shades (tones) when compared side by side, will show their undertones. Your eye will be able to detect an undertone when colors are viewed side by side. Undertones are much harder to see if viewed singly.
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Great discussion going on here , so interesting to see all these comments . I was on this website , it's europe-based and saw some interesting things on the furniture section like this one http://www.europegiant.com/free-classified-ads/1305/furniture/ . It seems to be a relatively new site . I was wondering what other great sites in Europe I can browse for great similar stuff
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