Need help with my kitchen.
Kostopoulos Bros
March 25, 2013 in Design Dilemma
I m thinking to build the entire kitchen (cabinets too) by gypsoum board as this is my job, and then dress wherever it needs with wood.
The surfaces that are in frond view mostly
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Norm Walters Construction Inc.
Definately an original idea.
March 25, 2013 at 1:25pm   
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Amanda Cohen
So your turning your current living area into a kitchen? The lay out is nice and materials/colors are good.
March 25, 2013 at 1:25pm   
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Kostopoulos Bros
These are not finals just an overview of the concept but ..dark grey and red is what i like to see there.This is not a living room any more but a dead space as i transfer my living last year.My kitchen is kinda small and that old living room is perfect with those 2 large windows........i thnk!!
March 25, 2013 at 1:42pm   
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Dytecture
entry to the kitchen looks a bit tight with the layout of the cabinetry.
March 25, 2013 at 1:50pm   
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OnePlan
sorry - it's late and I'm tired - so forgive me if this is a daft question , but is the kitchen going in the room with the snazzy corner fireplace ?! and are you keeping the fireplace as I think it's fab and you should !!!
March 25, 2013 at 1:53pm   
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Kostopoulos Bros
No thats my new living room haha im not going to put the new kitchen there sorry for misunderstanding fotos my old living is in the first post fotos.

Dytecture that is a sketch up preview only with no real dimensions (sorry for that) but only the general idea.
As i firstly comment my delema is to use gypsum board to constuct the entire kitchen with or to use wood.
Sorry for my english!
March 25, 2013 at 2:00pm     
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OnePlan
MDF is a stable alternative to wood - depends on what you are happy working with I guess ! am so happy that the fireplace remains safe !!!
March 25, 2013 at 2:05pm   
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Norm Walters Construction Inc.
I think he is talking about making built in's with sheet rock and using wood for the shelves.
March 25, 2013 at 2:07pm   
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OnePlan
you could use plaster board and plaster but I don't know if you would end up making it so bespoke that it would narrow your sales market if you decided to sell ?!
March 25, 2013 at 2:07pm   
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Kostopoulos Bros
Mm well what im saying is to build the framework and the cabinets by plasterboard and the then just dress the visible only surfaces with bakelite or wood just to lower the cost of it .This is my kitchen and not for sale.
That framework in foto is just an examble
March 25, 2013 at 2:20pm   
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Norm Walters Construction Inc.
You would almost have to paint it with Marine Enamel to create a cleanable surface.
March 25, 2013 at 2:22pm     
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Eagledzines
Renos, I've never heard of building cabinets with gypsum board. Is that done in Greece? I tried googleing on Google Greece but didn't come up with anything. Gypsum board is a much softer material than wood. How would you attach the doors and put drawers in?
March 25, 2013 at 2:25pm   
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OnePlan
Yeah - go for it !! If you make it as fab as your fireplace it will be brilliant ! Just remember to allow at least 800mm clearance for the door and plenty of wiggle room for getting appliances in and out ! And no tall units next to hob area or wall units too low down above the hob - especially if its gas - check with your local building authority for their guild lines ! And post up pics !!! This is one project I want to see !!! Have fun !!
March 25, 2013 at 2:29pm     
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Kostopoulos Bros
Cabinet doors and countertop is going to be from bakelite.Selves also need to be from novopan.
I m only thinking that plasterboard is so much cheeper than wood or MDF plus that my job is to build with plasterboard too.
March 25, 2013 at 2:33pm   
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Eagledzines
If I understand correctly, Novapan is prelaminated particle board. If you use that for shelves I would suggest using 1" (25mm) material and don't use long shelves, as it will eventually bend. To help with that turn it over about once a year.

This is intriguing. How would you apply the Bakelite doors and where would you get them?
March 25, 2013 at 2:42pm   
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Eagledzines
Were you thinking of doing something like this with open shelving?
I think this is awesome.


March 25, 2013 at 2:49pm   
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Kostopoulos Bros
Hehe Eagledzines u r so right but ur not going to see anything in google. We build bathroom countertops dressed with tiles maybe that reminds u something ill post some fotos of my work.
If it is doable? It is, i just dont know if there are traps in that concept and thats why i asked here for proffesional opinion.
In fotos the door is attached in gypsumboard
March 25, 2013 at 2:50pm   
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Norm Walters Construction Inc.
How do you get the hinge screws to stay in gypsum board? Long screws and wood framing behind the gypsum board?
March 25, 2013 at 2:52pm   
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Kostopoulos Bros
yes Norm wood framing for heavy attachments and simple metal framing for general set up
March 25, 2013 at 2:57pm   
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Kostopoulos Bros
Hmm open selves food for mind yea that would work too.
March 25, 2013 at 2:58pm   
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Norm Walters Construction Inc.
Open shelves is what I was thinking too, why cover up the work?
March 25, 2013 at 2:59pm   
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Kostopoulos Bros
Yes thats the word prelaminated particle board ....well most of our internal shelves are from that material.As i saw from fotos american kitchens have large shelves ours are small in general so no problem at all with bending.
March 25, 2013 at 3:04pm   
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Kostopoulos Bros
Oneplan thanx for the suggestions!
March 25, 2013 at 3:06pm     
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Kostopoulos Bros
eagledzines thanx too u all were helpfull and if i finally decide to do it that way ill try to post the entire work step by step here.
March 25, 2013 at 3:21pm     
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Kostopoulos Bros
see ya soon!
March 25, 2013 at 3:21pm   
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Norm Walters Construction Inc.
Sheet Rock n Roll
March 25, 2013 at 3:22pm   
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Eagledzines
And how are the glass shelves supported? Thanks for sharing your work. I love it! And look forward to seeing the progress of your project.

What about shelves for pots & pans? Would a hanging apparatus be used? Or stainless steel shelving on the bottom shelves? Maybe they could be tiled as well to stand up to the abuse of heavier items.
March 25, 2013 at 3:50pm   
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Kostopoulos Bros
One picture a thousand words
March 25, 2013 at 4:04pm     
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Eagledzines
Ναι, τόσο αληθινό
March 25, 2013 at 4:05pm     
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Kostopoulos Bros
Αυτο μου αρεσε, ευχαριστω !
March 25, 2013 at 4:13pm   
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Eagledzines
haha--I used Bing translator--trying to say, "Yes, so true"
March 25, 2013 at 4:18pm   
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Kostopoulos Bros
Well a Greek in US is pretty common but still ...hehe its nice to see something familiar now and then.
About ur question in shelving yep this is a pain espesially with heavy objects glass or tile or even wood in case of glass it may need a soft substrate just in case of dropping.
March 25, 2013 at 4:28pm     
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Eagledzines
I would use tempered in this situation.
March 25, 2013 at 4:30pm   
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Eagledzines
Another cool idea up by the ceiling.

March 25, 2013 at 4:32pm   
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Kostopoulos Bros
Mmm idea classic and so Greek but almost forgoten a lovelly place to place saint icons as we often place them in the kitchen!
March 25, 2013 at 4:39pm   
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Kostopoulos Bros
Dont ask me why ....tradition!
March 25, 2013 at 4:40pm   
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Eagledzines
Is this perhaps Bakelite? (The red door?)

March 25, 2013 at 4:45pm   
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Kostopoulos Bros
the product HPL (abbreviation of High Pressure Laminate surface ie investment
high pressure) is known to many of us
as Bakelite.
PROPERTIES
The basic characteristics of HPL are:
• Impact Resistance
• Resistance to abrasion
• Resistance to various types of scratches
• Resistance to bacteria and creation
microorganisms
March 25, 2013 at 4:51pm   
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Kostopoulos Bros
Laminate is a decorative
protection product consists of many layers -
usually two to five-which adhere to
phenolic resin in a sheet. The first layer
paper is the decorative and below it
the remaining layers are kraft paper the
forming the core of HPL.
After the papers impregnated with resin, pre-
ion passes into a press to compress
and then heated to a temperature
and 140 ° C and a pressure of at least 80 to 130 atm.
Iantochi the surface by the use of special-
Kon cellulosic coatings production
, which strengthen it and make it ideal for
efarmogesidiaiteris use and stress. a
of the best known applications of HPL is on
kitchen countertop but also used in
kitchen doors, dividing investments, Tol-
ers, refrigerators, elevators and in decorations
various sites.
March 25, 2013 at 4:53pm   
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Kostopoulos Bros
google translate...!
March 25, 2013 at 4:53pm   
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Eagledzines
Ah yes. We call it HPL or laminate. I used to make laminate countertops and have used it for vertical applications as well but never heard of it referred to as Bakelite. The word Bakelite is used here, in this part of the country, to refer to polyoxybenzylmethylenglycolanhydride (yes, that's really a word), to refer to an early plastic and is still used for knobs.

I always used Formica and Wilsonart brands but always liked ARPA, but just never had a call for it. Formica used to make a 'color-through' product, so no black line around the edge. I think they discontinued it, I don't know why, perhaps because of cost. It was pricier. I used it on a cabinetry for a radio station that was specified by an architect. It was black laminate on top of color-through red laminate and was routered on the top so that it had a red stripe through it. Very cool.

The vertical grade of regular laminate is cheaper. If you buy it pre-lamed at a big box store I would guess that is vertical grade. If you know how to do it yourself with horizontal grade for the shelves that will be better. If you do it yourself make sure you use a very sharp blade. At least an 80 tooth.
March 25, 2013 at 5:37pm   
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cocinera
Sorry, but this looks like a kitchen only a man could design. If I had to walk around an island every time I wanted to go from the fridge to the sink, I would go stark raving mad.
March 25, 2013 at 5:52pm   
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