LED cans vs Halogen cans, need to decide today!!
gusaroo
June 7, 2013
Our kitchen remodel has begun and we need to make a final decision about the ceiling cans...4" with dimmers)

LEDs ($200 each) are available in warm white now, and have obvious advantages in terms of replacing bulbs and energy use.
BUT, the halogens are $50 each. Their only virtue as far as I know. A friend has halogens that burn out really fast, so their spending a lot on bulbs.

Any opinions or suggestions?
Thanks!
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Well i think you understand the crux of the issue. Energy savings and bulb costs. The future is LED, but there are a lot of changes happening everyday because it's new technology. If you go LED, which i would if it were my house, use a stable company like Cooper/Halo. Here is a model number on one of their products that might be appropriate. Remember you still need the light engine and trim. I see costs at $170 for the full package or so. Also be sure to check the dimmer against approved manufacturers with the LED company. Good luck. Halo H455RICAT120D.
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 11:41AM
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gusaroo
Thank you! That's very helpful.
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 11:45AM
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gusaroo
Actually, one dumb question. We are replacing all the lighting so the entire ceiling is open right now...don't need remodel housing then right?
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 11:50AM
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That's correct, but venting the fixture is real important. The regular housing may not be IC rated (Insulation contact). If there's not insulation then you're fine. I was being safe.
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 11:57AM
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gusaroo
No insulation...there's a floor above. So would it be H455TUNVD010?
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 12:07PM
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That looks like a good choice, be sure to check your dimmer controls...
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 12:15PM
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gusaroo
Will do. Thanks for your input! Lee
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 12:28PM
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You might want to check about some rebates if you go with LED. The ROI on LED is still pretty vague. Depending on where you are located, you can sometimes find some great rebates from the government or energy companies. I've heard that some fixtures, after rebate are almost free. The actual bulbs are the real killer. They are expensive.

My guess is in 3-5 years, LED will be more affordable and the standard. Right now, without a rebate, you will be paying a lot for the technology. 1 to 3 years is considered a good ROI to shoot for.
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 12:34PM
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gusaroo
Just got a local quote for $175 and the same supplier quoted $100 halogen cans. Does that sound right? At that price differential, LEDs are looking better! And thank you for the tip about rebates Chism Bros. I think our utility, PG&E, may have something available
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 12:47PM
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Chrism Bros, makes a good point, but it's like computer's or phones, there's always a better, cheaper, faster model next year. $100 for a can must be a high quality version. You get what you pay for there. The $35 can is junk.
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 1:01PM
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Fred S
It is not like you have to make one decision and stick to it for the rest of your life. If your friend's halogens are burning out too quickly, the bulbs are probably too many watts for the fixture. You can retrofit a standard can for LED, or buy all-in-one LED bulbs later. My preference is to put in plenty of cans now. Every 24" for that size can. Use more switches so they don't have to be all on, dimmer, and lower wattage halogen. You can always change later without ripping into sheetrock.
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 2:14PM
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gusaroo
So we found 5 LED cans in stock for $140 each (We would have done halogen if we hadn't found them in stock.) They're 5", which is fine. Very happy that we got them!!

RE: my friend's halogens, she checked the wattage and made sure she was putting in the right bulbs. She also tried different brands of bulbs, but they still delaminate quite often. She used the same contractor and he's not sure why they're having the problem.

Thanks everyone! Ill post pictures at some point.
Lee
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 3:01PM
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Fred S
Oh, you are talking about low voltage halogen. I would never use those. A PAR halogen in a standard can with the right trim is the only good way.
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 3:12PM
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gusaroo
I'll forward that on to my friend...she really hates those lights. And I just got off the phone with our utility and they'll rebate $25 per can. So that means they're $15 over the halogens. Mighty fine.
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 3:27PM
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Great job...
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 3:33PM
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gusaroo
Here's what we got: http://www.junolightinggroup.com/product_detail.asp?ino=12220&Sel_Id=27016&brand=1
$140 less $25 utility rebate = $115.
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 4:16PM
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Fred S
Personally, I prefer around 4000K or whatever a halogen is because when you dim them they go down to normal bulb Kelvin. At least in appearance.
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 4:38PM
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gusaroo
Yeah, that makes sense. We do have three pendants over an island, plus 7 LEDs (2 over the sink will be added as remodel cans). Don't know if you can read this layout, but I think it'll be plenty of light?
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 4:48PM
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Fred S
Can't see too much on this 3" screen, but buy eye instead of measurements, it looks like enough general light. There will be some dim spots in the room, but not where you are working. Would suggest some secondary lighting. You will have shadows on the counter especially when YOU are blocking the light. Cheap undercabinet rope light does wonders and looks cool. Can't read what everything is, but I would put a light in any pantry cabinet with a door switch if a light won't be directly in front.
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 5:06PM
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gusaroo
Forgot to mention LED under-cabinet lights already in the plan! And a motion-sensor light in the walk-in pantry. Thanks for the feedback!
    Bookmark   June 7, 2013 at 5:20PM
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