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Hideous fireplace

Helen Pengelly
10 years ago
Any ideas for this monstrosity that I would like to turn into a built in entertainment unit instead. (We have another fireplace downstairs so we don't need it. And the other one is much better looking.)

Comments (48)

  • PRO
    HERE Design and Architecture
    10 years ago
    Close the damper and have a piece of cabinetry built for in front of it.
  • PRO
    sstarr93
    10 years ago
    Looks like stone veneer or brickface (judging from the thin pieces on the sides), which has been painted over. The hearth appears to be perhaps plywood with stone tile, poorly applied. I would demolish the exterior and replace it with more attractive material (smooth stucco or metal face). Redo the hearth to be straight, square angles. Use a new insert for the fireplace.
  • PRO
    sstarr93
    10 years ago
    Here's a view of the removed stone and insert. Not that you have to do it this way, but to give you the idea of how you could simplify the appearance of the room.
  • Lizabeth
    10 years ago
    Since you want a built in entertainment you may just want to demo first. Does this unit share a chimney with the one in the basement? If you don't have to keep the chimney I would take it all out and start from scratch. It is really taking up a lot of space now.
  • carollynn56
    10 years ago
    Have you thought or need to think about this area as a heat souce to heat your home? My son put a lovely woodburning stove in his living room. His home is in Pennsylvania and he has oil heat. He used the stove all winter and used less than 1 tank of oil. His flat screen is above the mantle. Can't tell from the pictures but does this space open on each side? If so there are great double open gas fireplaces with one fixture and beautiful glass fronts for both sides. Why do you need an entertainment center with all of the technology?
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    The fireplace does not open n both sides ie in living room & dining room. The rock is what they call cultured stone. It has never been painted. The hearth is solid cantilevered cement & full of rebar. The chimney is shared with the basement fireplace. We want to cover it over because demo would be very costly. And why do I want an entertainment unit. For the tv, Xbox, iMac, stereo, dvr, etc etc.
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    Oh and I missed no we don't edit as a heat source. When we first moved in we used it that winter. Until we realized that all the heat it produced went upthechimney, not into the room.
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    I've had several people suggest that painting it might help. Has anyone seen this sort ofthingdone? Worth the effort?
  • PRO
    HERE Design and Architecture
    10 years ago
    I have seen rock walls painted and would personally never do it. It just emphasizes the texture.
  • Darzy
    10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago
    How about taking the hearth out and sheetrock over the rock and just making it a wall? More space for furniture too. Or, cover the wall in 3d panels.
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  • jessegee
    10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago
    If you want a smooth surface for big wall art or mirror etc , then I'd skim it with plaster/board etc. Or if you like rustic, just lighten it up with lime mortar and paint wash to achieve a devon farmhouse look! I'd leave the vents and put something nice infront of it!
  • jessegee
    10 years ago
    Photos
  • PRO
    Design Connection, Inc.
    10 years ago
    I have tiled over more than on fireplace like the one you have you. It was worked out well. If your idea is an entertainment center than you can gut it and start all over. It is best to talk to a professional about the heat situation. Good luck.
  • Lizabeth
    10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago
    Helen how high was the demo bid? Just curious because even though demo may be pricey I imagine buying or building the new entertainment center will be cost less if one does not have to do a work around the stone and hearth. There are several expansion mortars that can be used so that one does not need a jackhammer to break the concrete. I imagine the hauling and carting of the material dump fees could be spendy.
  • saratogaswizzlestick
    10 years ago
    If at all possible I would rip it out. It is huge and it is eating up valuable living space.
  • PRO
    Sustainable Dwellings
    10 years ago
    I really don't think it is a monstrosity. Take the silly knick-knacks off the wall and mantle and put up some serious art. And, what on earth is that tile box in one of the pics???
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    Really Sustainable Dwellings does insulting your clients personal possessions generally get you work?
  • Bonny Crawford
    10 years ago
    Would you consider using glass shelves, attached to the fireplace, at different levels to place your entertainment items on. and add books , plant etc for interest, this would be very functional while not adding as much bulk to the area. and continue to use your tapestry above it, or large candle holding sconces with mirrors or art. bkcrawford39@gmail.com
  • smartin1
    10 years ago
    I'm like you. I had brick on the fireplace that I hated and no money in the budget to tear it out and rebuild it. Here's the thing...paint is cheap. Much cheaper than demolition. And if it buys you a couple more years living with a "monstrosity", go for it!
    I painted my brick and love it. Would it be what I would have done if I'd had another several thousand dollars lying around? Well, no, but it looks good enough to give me another couple of years with it and I can focus on putting my money in buying new windows.
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    The stone in dining room and kitchen make no sense to me so I really want that gone. The fireplace facing the living room doesn't meet code and we don't need it to actually heat the room. In the 70’s when this house was built sunken living rooms and showy fireplaces were all the rage. I'm trying to imagine what glass shelves would look like and how they would attach.
  • smartin1
    10 years ago
    http://houzz.com/photos/56673

    Painting the rock can actually help it look more like a design element and less like a "monstrosity". At very least, it might help it recede a little and not pull all the focus in both rooms.
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    I should mention the quote to cover up the stone with fresh drywall in the dining room and kitchen was less than 1/3 of demo.
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    So many people have mentioned painting that I am considering trying it on one side as an experiment.
  • smartin1
    10 years ago
    http://houzz.com/photos/70150

    Another example. I wish I knew how to attach more than one picture at a time.
  • nwduck
    10 years ago
    Helen: There are always economical remedies to decorating dilemmas, I think. It seems to me Jessegee is on the right track with an economical kind of facelift. The furniture one can see in your photos is simple, rather casual country house. A whitewash treatment like she posted in the photos would certainly lighten up the stone. Since the mantel is relatively deep, would it be possible to put two shelving units on the the right hand side...one on the hearth right up to mantel height, and a second matching one sitting on the mantel up to the ceiling? If you painted the mantel and two shelving units it might help them blend together...like a soft white/gray/brown/driftwood. Two units seem like it would be enough to stash things, with the TV on the mantel above the fireplace. A friend of mine added an angled piece of molding along the mantel top, painted to match, and that's where they ran cords over to a similar shelving unit. You could take the existing doors off the fireplace, do an artful arrangement of white birch logs inside with a simple fireplace screen. The end piece between rooms could be left undecorated...just the stone as a texture in the room. On the dining room side, you could hang your tree picture on the now lightened stone, with the green oval platter on your shelving unit centered above it. You could beef up the heft of the shelves on the left hand side where your plates are displayed. You could add a shelf the length of the fireplace on that side (similar to running a mantel), but at the same height as the serving area under the display shelves. On that you could put the collection of stoneware pieces on the shelving unit now at the fireplace end.
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    Nw duck & jessegee your suggestions are beginning to make some sense to me. Can mortar (lime) be skimmed over the stone to give n adobe texture? Would it stick to the cultured rock?
  • nwduck
    10 years ago
    Helen: We're all kind of guessing as to the style you like. Are you suggesting an adobe look because you are in the southwest? (Pardon my geographic assumptions!) Or are you thinking of trying to smooth out the stone texture in some way?
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    I'm in British Columbia, Canada. And yes I was just trying to think of a smoother texture. Well if I had my druthers just smooth.
  • nwduck
    10 years ago
    If you want smooth, and in reading back, the sheetrock over stone was your least expensive option. If you really hate it, it might really be worth the cost. Doing an overcoat that looks professionally done will, I feel, cost much more than a sheetrock overlay. Before you take on doing a stone painting project yourself, perhaps you could seek a decorative painter's price and advice for the stone. We always tend to think these kinds of "artistic" services are more expensive than they may be...and the outcome is better than we might achieve. In truth, I was thinking this texture in both rooms could be a special feature....even if you did something like just a single open back shelf snug under the mantel on the right, the stone could be an interesting back texture to the black tech units you want to house.
  • smartin1
    10 years ago
    On the brick, it looks more gray. On the wall, more tan. Is it the reflection of the brown around it?
  • smartin1
    10 years ago
    Well, that wasn't supposed to land in this conversation. That's what happens when I try to walk and post at the same time.
  • PRO
    360 Design
    10 years ago
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  • PRO
    Franks Home Maintenance and General Contracting
    10 years ago
    Two questions, one, are the upstairs and downstairs fireplace connected on the same chimney, second, what is your budget.
  • PRO
    ErthCOVERINGS
    10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago
    ErthCOVERINGS Stone Veneers would be perfect for you. The veneers can go right over your existing unit, without eating up to much space since this looks to be a big part of the room. www.erthcoverings.com
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    Yes the two fireplaces share the chimney. 3k is all I really want to put into this at the most. I still have flooring in both living rooms and a deck to resurface.
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    Turns out they don't share a chimney. The mason who came today says they are offset from each other. The pipe for the basement fireplace runs between the upstairs fireplace and it's wood box. He estimated 16 - 24 man hours at $40/ hour just to remove the hearth
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    But if I remove the hearth and then frame & drywall I lose the least amount of space and have the most versatility.
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    He had 2 ideas. Remove the hearth and then frame over the rock and drywall which will give us fresh smooth walls. Or frame over the hearth and then step back to the rock with the framing. Saves removing the hearth but gives a large hearth like presence at the foot of the wall.
  • PRO
    Franks Home Maintenance and General Contracting
    10 years ago
    If you want to turn it into an entertainment center, use the hearth as the foot print for the new shelving, etc. We did one similar, but with no hearth. Is this kind of what you want?
  • PRO
    Franks Home Maintenance and General Contracting
    10 years ago
    or do you want a flat wall with tv like this?
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    I'm leaning more and more towards plain wall
  • User
    10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago
    Changing the stone veneer along with the mantel could make a huge difference. #jmkarchitects.com
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    Ok time for the reveal...
    All the photos were taken at a similar time of day, evening with the house lights on. The darkness of the wall apparently sucked all the light out of the rooms as well!
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    I went with the guy who suggested just drywalling over it obviously. Remember the guy who estimated 16-24 man hours just to remove the hearth? My contractor got it ouT with 2 jackhammers in just under 4 hours the first day.. Total 8 man hours. The strapping over the rock was 1x2 shimmed as needed. Hearth out to drywall painted was about 6 working days. I added having the kitchen and the rest of the dining room repainted since they were there. $3,500 all in including tax. We also removed the old wall to wall carpet and put laminate in the living room ourselves.
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    Oh and last comment. A crack in the chimney was discovered in the process making both fireplaces obsolete. So I had an electric point added to the fireplace cavity in the basement and put a new electric insert one in.
  • Katie Gooding
    10 years ago
    That stinks. I'm curious though, could they not have put a liner in the chimney to correct the crack? I've had that done before when there are broken tiles in a chimney, but maybe that's a different situation,
  • Helen Pengelly
    Original Author
    10 years ago
    We just didn't want the upstairs fireplace at all and the crack in the basement was in the firebox itself.