Resilient Buildings for Global Warming
chookchook2December 13, 2013
Are you planning a new building or renovation that takes Global Warming into account? If you are coastal, it may be flood mitigation. If you are inland, it might be heat mitigation. Maybe you are preparing for increased storms, or increased fuel bills, or food shortages, or population pressures. Please keep answers to property design. eg

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What do you know about preparing buildings against mild floods, Fred? Is there a waterproofing compound to paint under floorboards?
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mefor
I live in a stone house. It stays cool on very hot days. Occasionally if it's very warm at night, the stone will release some of that pent up heat into the house during the night, but overall, it's a wonderful building material with passive cooling :)
In the wintertime, the heat that is soaked into stone on sunny days keeps house a bit warmer. Also, the tight fit of the 22inch thick walls of stone and mortar is very draft proof.
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Thankyou Mforr.
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Does anyone have storm shutters?
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sunnie2day
I loved my hurricane shutters when I lived along the US Gulf of Mexico, they saved windows for me! Of course they didn't help when Ivan took the roof off but hey, can't have everything!

We think we've found the new house - the list of 'must-haves' included southern exposures to help with heating (we live in a cold climate) and enough space for a good sized poly tunnel or even greenhouse+the ability to change the central heating to multi-fuel owing to the really horrific price rises for gas and electric we're seeing here in the UK.

Also on the list: double/triple glazing, multiple entry/exits, windows able to be used as exits in case of emergency, and insulated loft-walls-floors. Over here almost every home we've looked at is stone, thick walls that need to be insulated to keep out the damp.
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There's a lot of good ideas there,Sunnie.
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Our electric is so high no matter how much we reduce usage it just goes up.
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sunnie2day
I met my now husband online, Chook, in an international current events discussion focussing on issues like this one.

In early 2008 he posted a picture of one of his conservation saves of what had to be the most resilient property ever, spread (lol) over a bare one acre plot and sustaining a family of six with the smallest 'carbon footprint' possible. LOL, I really believe that's when I 'fell in love' with him.

It had been 'updated' badly, as part of his work he got it listed and restored. The family was able to keep the few updates that were in line historically whilst managing to mitigate some of the issues our changing climate is engendering - all the other 'updates' were cosmetic and frankly awful, the family was glad to see those go. That home will be sustainable for several more generations, it's really well done.

The property already used southern exposure, poly tunnel veg and fruit gardening, multi-fuel heating (and water too), but took advantage of the various schemes he was able to lead them to as far as insulation and a few other things to make the home even more resilient - he took a lot of mental notes and has applied that to our homes (we're on No2, working on No3). I have to be honest that it does make me feel a bit smug when our electric bill is a mere £30 a month, and we don't fash a grid failure thanks to the multi-fuel back boiler heating.
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sunnie2day
Chook, I had increasingly high bills in the US owing to the need for near-year-round air conditioning. I expect it's the same for you there in Australia. It's one of the reasons we chose to live in his native Scotland instead of the US. Plus his house was bigger, lol!
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They reckon temperatures will go up 4degrees. However, due to ice melting in the poles, they say some coastal areas near gulf streams will actually get colder.
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My reverse cycle air on broke a year ago and I deliberately didn't get it fixed, but the bill still went up. It is pure price gouging. I have a wood heater but don't use it due to athsma. The locals say the cost of wood has gone way up anyway. The price of gas is going up due to our country exporting it.
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mommickey
geothermal is being installed in homes around here alot. Price gouging is crazy for it though. solar panels the same thing. I can only burn birch due to my asthma and allergies. I am allergic to the other woods. you may try that.
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Thanks 5blues! Geothermal might survive storms better than solar panels, does anyone know?
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mommickey
We know someone who has the geothermal in his house and it was hit by sandy it's on the beach. As far As I know the wiring need to be redone as per code. The unit I am not sure I wil ask. I know the drilling down part is o.k. but his house had just been finished 4 million right on the beach water up to the second floor. The good thing is he bought the lot right next to it and the home that was completely under water and plans to fix his and rent it and build an even bigger house on the lot next door.
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5Blues your friend must have thought he was doing all the right things and it just wasn't fair. Sunnie you must have felt the same.
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sunnie2day
You know Chook, I really didn't to be honest. I lived in Hurricane Central and knew one day I would be hit hard - comes with the territory, I figured.

I did move away from Earthquake Central as soon as I could (grew up along the San Andreas and other lesser known faults) because those can't be predicted, but hurricanes and tornadoes can to a certain extent. 'Watch the sky!' was art-carved into the average person's brain along the Gulf. But 'canes turn and tornadoes come out of nowhere sometimes, and LOL, I even went through a couple of small earthquakes along the Gulf too!

I don't think there is anywhere 'safe' from natural disaster, one has to know the territory and prepare to the best of ability. After that it's come what may.
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cormac1
Just move up north to the woods and build an I.C.F house. No hurricanes, earthquakes or tornadoes up here to worry about just snow and cold haha.
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Margo
Chook- come on, you a person who does not keep on topic on most threads, now posts a thread and asks everyone to keep their comments/answers to design and no less sighting an example?????? Just how many are there of you? ;))))))))))))))))))
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Margo
I believe Al Gore invented global warming along with the internet.
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Very broad topic this!!
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All opinions valued, Margo.
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Margo
I think I heard it on Al Jazerra lol
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Margo
Chook what does Gert and Ughh say?
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Margo
Where is spinning and Hugh? They should be swirling over this topic
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You know I value you too, Chook;))
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Margo
there is no global warming today in Misery, I mean Missouri;)
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Don't know what Al Jazerra is. Gert has kept her hand mixer, warm quilt, Harris Tweed coat, wicker chairs, folding fan, toast tongs, big floppy hats, verandah, wood fire, DDT, stovetop kettle, fruit trees and bottling kit, chook yard, vegetable garden, and especially her doileys; so she is ready for all eventualities. Uggh survived the IceAge and is hoping for a nice bit of global warming so his family can climb back into the trees again.
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mommickey
Sadly some people will not get anywhere near what they need to recover. Even with insurance. My husband is in emergency services who would have thought that sandy would ruin so much even inland. He was on a call and almost killed from a tree falling on them saving some kid who decided to go out in a storm. Some people don't take these storm seriously. Those few weeks the winds came through new jersey and it was a mess with down tree's last year. Sadly global warming and the storms devasted the beaches and dunes are gone.
You don't need a bad storm to experience loss in a home. I had 110,000 in damage from a bad water fill line that ruined my new kitchen. Insurnace did not cover everything. It took all of our savings and left us taking almost two years to recover savings and everything. I miss six months of my son growing up due to running, stress and trying to get our home fixed and dealing with it all. I would never recommend a reno with a young child it takes quality time away. They paid us 8.00 to repaint a room with new drywall. That did not even cover primer let alone regular paint. No one is safe from any type of disaster. All you can do is try to be prepared.
Going green like sweden we are smart enough but corporate greed will never let it happen sadly. They seem to think more money is made in not being green. Sweden ran out of trash to recycle and now imports it from ://www.greenconduct.com/news/2013/08/01/sweden-is-a-model-of-sustainable-waste-management/ the united states needs to do this.
What is bad is that barbadoes is more green friendly than the united states. You need to recycle and you cannot knock down a building to build new. You must use existing and add if you need to. We saw shacks that had solar panels and hot water bins for their showers on a island tour.
The united states needs to get smarter. We have so much technology to build green here but greed will stop homes from being better bulit as the standard. It is cheaper and bigger profit to a builder to build a stick home with siding. Than to do say a house half bult in the ground with walls that are more solid and keep energy cost down. Whatever is causing the storms to do more damage. mayan life cycle end. lol. global warming, chemtrails etc. or just natural earth cycles. What ever you chose to believe or which one if any are true either way the storms are doing more damage. No matter how you look at it if we don't find greener ways will will run out of room for trash etc.
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I read the stuff about Al Jazeera. Amazing turn around. Wouldn't believe it could happen in a post9/11 America.
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THANKYOU 5Blues, you have been through so much, it doesn't seem fair. I was sitting in Australia watching the weather channel watching on the satellite picture, Sandy come spinning across the sea. It was so huge, I was praying it would turn and go back to sea and not wipe out the whole coast and all the big cities.
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mommickey
Even though that happen I am very blessed. Some people lost it all. I have lost nothing in comparison to people in tornado area's etc. I have my family some people have lost more than material things.
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Did many people die in Hurricane Sandy?
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I will be away from the thread for a day, please keep contributing.
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nwduck
Ah, so, chookchook2, here you are! One of my thoughts on this general topic is that it might be helpful for us to look in the rear view mirror to see how much earlier generations built in your geographic area. For example, building (or rebuilding) directly ON a beach should be discouraged. Our ancestors built on stilts in flood-prone areas. Storm shutters weren't just a decorative item. Water runoff was stored---and this is still completely doable in any area-- used for irrigation and for grey water use like toilets. Trees are highly valued here in Oregon, as they should be everywhere. Thanks to the grove of evergreens at the south side of our home, we have never used air conditioning. In the American plains, homes they called dugouts were common...built into the earth to preserve materials and to stay warm in winter/cool in summer. (Just saw a feature on a high style home like that here in the metro area within the past year.) I have also seen homes here built using very thick walls, insulated with what is essentially hay. Homes with green roofs (and I don't mean the color) for insulation/air quality additions/rainwater for the plants, and recycled as I mentioned above. Farmers along Oregon's Columbia Gorge, famous for its high winds, have now installed modern windmills within the wheatfields. What has driven many of these seemingly unusual trials? Tax rebates. Financial incentives can help lead to modern economical versions of old, proven techniques. Many programs like this exist, so a person building with the mindset you describe should absolutely investigate these avenues.
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A bunch of very good ideas , nwduck.
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J Petempich
I am retired in Mexico six months a year off the grid. Except for not having a dishwasher and air conditioning, I live much like I do when I am living in the US the other 6 months. I have 6 solar panels 200 watts each plus a wind generator that is another 800 watts so roughly a 2000 watt/24Vdc/120ac system. We also collect water. We are on a beach so the wind is blowing constantly and most sunny days. I don't think there are many places in the world that a person could have such a small system and run the size house we do but even in Michigan where I live the other six months there is enough wind with the right generator would put a large dent in an electric bill. The power companies are installing wind farms throughout the state even though our energy bill didn't pass. It is largely because it is very economical for them to produce with the wind generators. There are plenty of ways to have inexpensive electricity, we just aren't quite there on making the changes in our lives to adapt to it and the power companies are tight fisted about using them. I think when the last drop of oil and lump of coal is burned we will see all the great inventions for producing power come out. It is unfortunate that in the meantime we ruin the environment with what we are doing.
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vee228
"Global Warming" is a crock.
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bobby2288, what a silly thing to say.
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sunnie2day
Wow, Bobby2288 and SStar, my husband and I go around and around on this, too:) The only thing we can agree on is the climate IS changing and not for the better.

I did some reading on this and there are credible arguments either way re GW. My takeaway is that GW actually causes climate changes that can lead to a mini-ice age, oddly enough. We're certainly seeing some anecdotal evidence of that here in the far Northern Hemisphere - I live in NE Scotland, it is getting colder here but our summers are 'enjoying' much warmer spells. Shorter than usual, but much warmer when we do have a warm spell.

Last winter, though, our snow pack lasted longer and our winter storms much more hazourdous. Winter deaths to in-home hypothermia on the uptick, and a much higher hillwalker and skiing death toll too.

But please-please-please, let's not argue GW, AGW, or the generally agreed cooling that has been the norm for the last 17 years:) Please, as the OP asked, let's keep this discussion civil and focussed on mitigating climate change issues as regards resilient buildings.
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dclostboy
On the Chesapeake, we are very concerned about run off...limiting impermeable surfaces and extra plantings to support filtration.
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Thank you dclostboy,sunnie2day,sstar,bobby2288,Jpetempich. Sorry I was not here. It is helpful to others to see what people are implementing on their properties. Do people think there should be more government incentives to build resilient properties?
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El Niño will come back, do people have water tanks, if so what form?
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:)
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Samantha L
I think this is a great discussion. I'm almost finished buying my first home, in a floodplain, and had minor damage from Hurricane Sandy, about 6 inches water on the first floor. Why? Because I can't afford much more in the area I'd like to continue living. I'd like to make some changes to it after I settle in. Some will need to wait though, because my flood insurance premium is $4000 USD annually as a result of new governance and perceived risk. I'm going to eventually add more vents for flood water to my lower level, and in the long term I'd like to raise my first floor about 1 foot so I'm above the base flood elevation. I want to add solar panels also, and use my grey water, but these are all dreams for now. My homeowners and flood insurance costs are going to cost quite a lot and I want to make sure I don't go broke too soon. :0)
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Samantha, I can't find it, I looked yesterday, but weeks ago I saw a solution the people of New Jersey Shore are doing , it was on "This Old House" magazine online. New laws mean they must raise up the whole house, but there is an invention of a fixture for cladding, that actually releases the cladding on first floor, in the event of bad flooding, which lets the water run through, not taking the whole house with it. In mild flooding it doesn't happen. Different cladding is used by different people. Electric and gas etc is all being taken upstairs. People use the new space to store things. Footings of course are very solid, only the cladding is designed to give way. Hope you can find this article.
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It's goodnight here but keep posting resilient houses.
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dclostboy
There are many incentives in the US for sustainability, but still tend to have high payback periods. You really have to WANT to implement regardless of incentive.
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Do you think rich countries should help poor countries with resilient buildings and infrastructure like, say, sea walls or water storages to avoid mass refugees in the future?
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apple_pie_order
Chookchook2: what estimates of sea rise and rainfall redistribution do you think would be useful to consider?
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chookchook2: Water is the most critical need in multiple developing countries, and there are many groups working on this need. Without water, people leave their land. If you want to see one charitable group's work in rebuilding after disasters, I suggest you look at the site for Make It Right. Did great work in New Orleans, working in the Ninth Ward, supported by Brad Pitt, among many other people. Sometimes we get more done without governments. Sometimes government (same country/out of country) programs work. Investigate and support those causes you believe in. There's never just one right answer. You may find the techniques used in the New Orleans homes of particular interest. (Hey, they built on stilts!) :)
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Apple pie order, estimates increase as time goes on. So if you were bequeathing a beach house to your kids they might not lose much value, but in your grand kids day the property might be legislated uninhabitable, unless there was flood mitigation.
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I think I saw some episodes of Holmes on Homes where they worked in New Orleans, Nwduck. Municipal councils along our coast are passing motions to reject responsibility for maintaining seawalls, when I think they should be building them up.
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The summer after Katrina, we decided to take our vacation in the southern US. We donated to Katrina relief, but another thing we thought we could do is to GO, and support the greatly damaged tourist trade. $$$ to the working people and local businesses helps, I feel. We saw first hand what Katrina did. Horrifying. Absolutely horrifying, and it was nearly a year later. (I had been to New Orleans and the southern Mississippi coast before, so had a comparison.) One of the issues with the levies in New Orleans is that different levy sections were under the jurisdiction of different parishes. If I recall correctly, it was over 10. Some maintained, some less so. There wasn't really a great coordinated effort on maintenance. This was a fatal flaw. If you can, advocate for a single jurisdiction for maintenance of the entire thing.
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This is why refugee numbers are supposed to go up enormously.
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If you live in one of the areas highlighted on this map link, how would you prepare your property for potential changes to come, or would you want to move, if so where? NB! The areas highlighted on the Australian map show what is already the case, not what they are predicting for Aus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Natural_disasters_caused_by_climate_change.png
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The Three little Pigs story is a case of pre planning
http://www.shol.com/agita/pigpsych.htm
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Building for climate change -London 2062 on u tube

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The video does exist, I just watched it on iPad. Try typing in the words, it is an excellent video.
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The Dutch can teach us alot.
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Thankyou Kennis Voortrekker Klimate TV.
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Sorry, auto correct got it wrong. Kennis Voor Klimate TV. Thankyou.
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If you live in Canada, this chap wants to use students to future proof your old house
http://projectfutureproof.com/adaptive-reuse-of-existing-buildings/
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chookchook2
Check your building materials for resilience
http://www.buildingresilience.org.au/brkd
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Traditional resilience
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J Petempich
I know I will get arguments from writing this but another country we could learn from is Cuba. If you look at a hurricane map of the track of hurricanes of the last 10 years you will notice most often they pass over Cuba. Very seldom do they have fatalities from hurricanes. The people of Cuba are not rich and the island does not have great sea walls or houses on stilts. What they do have is a systematic evacuation plan. Every one knows what they will be doing 3 days before the storm, 2days before and day of the storm. Power and gas is turned off the day of the storm. There are block captains that are responsible for the elderly. There isn't any last minute decisions.
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How are Cuban houses built to survive the winds and water?
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A passive shade solution from the Middle East
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashrabiya
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A shade, ventilation,beauty, is the classic Queenslander from Australia, which coped well with flooding underneath. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Queenslander3.JPG
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Food security and shade, vertical gardens
http://m.inhabitat.com/inhabitat/#!/entry/urbanana-is-vertical-banana-plantation-that-would-bring-tropical-fruit,509c2b12d7fc7b5670506fc4/1
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J Petempich
My guess that many Cuban houses are concrete/block construction or palapas and they have evacuation reinforced buildings inland. I am sure the palapas are ruined but can be built back quickly. I think concrete and blocks many buildings are made of. I am sure they have real estate damage but just not loss of life. Where I am here in Mexico after Wilma everyone dragged all the damaged debris to the middle of the streets and the military or government took it away. People start working on their houses immediately. In the US people tend to wait for their insurance adjuster and they lose important time they can be draining cavities before mold sets in. This is just my opinion.
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Yes, we need to plan to minimise the amount of possessions lost too. One article was saying how Ikea just moved everything upstairs and lost very little, while a neighbouring supermarket lost the lot. That must have been very hard for the people to get supplies.
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We in the west could learn alot from traditional building methods around the world.
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I've always wanted one of those homes built into a south facing hillside (Northern hemisphere ) so you have glass frontage ( triple glazed) and then live most of your days in the front glazed rooms and sleep at the back in the dark and safe hillside ... Think that would offer good protection from lots of inclement weather ... Not sure how it would cope with the really bad stuff though ! If I win lotto I might build a hillside village !! "OnePlan Hills ! " how Cool !!
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Sounds like the best idea so far.
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Me, Uggh. Me have best real estate for you, Oneplan. Mammoths everywhere.
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I will have to add large pet doors for mammoths !!!
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Me still Uggh. Woman does not know hunting, just like mforr woman would not skin deer. Pet door is for dodo bird so dodo can go do doodoo.
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Chookchook.....the type of wall your talking about for flooding is called a "break away wall". Many of the areas along the Gulf require this type of construction for the lower level that is in the flood plain. The entire wall breaks away, not just the veneer....altho since these are typically not allowed to be living areas they are often built with just a veneer system. The concept is that the structure will stay intact but the wall can give way to a wall of water.

Some people use the open, decorative cmu blocks, with the idea that the water will flow thru the holes and the wall will still be intact after flooding. But this doesn't take into account the piles of debris that are carried by flood waters and cause a lot of the damage.
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Thankyou catieb, hope this helps alot of people who are currently rebuilding.
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Break-away walls were just on TV on Fabulous Beach Homes. They cover the piers that the home is build on with easily destroyed walls. The water flows under the home just like beach front homes have for many years.

Solar power, geoT, and sustainable dwellings are our passion~ I have lived off grid and plan to again in the very near future. Location, Location, LOCATION. Less summer heat and warmer winters reduces the amount of energy needed. Also build a smaller dwelling, better insulation, correct architecture design and home automation systems.

Earthships, ecohomes, tiny houses are all trending dwellings these days. Here is our site for that type of building consulting... PS don't tell anyone as we rarely comment on this subject here on Houzz... TinyHouseSystems.biz
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Thankyou Fred and Clearlighting, hope those tips get people on the right tracks.
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J Petempich
One other thing to share about the houses in Mexico built on the beach where I live. The photo shows my cupboards on a raised concrete platform. This is how all of the build ins are. If I removed the furniture, I could clean the inside of my house with a hose. Everything is concrete and tile with floor drains in the bathrooms and battery room. The house is also built on something called pilotes which are concrete pilings. But of course when the storm comes this only helps with the recovery it is assumed water will be in the house.
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Did you consider putting legs on units to dry out?
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Holy moly, Chook, this is a GREAT discussion! I'll be the day catching up on your link and watching those videos - luckily I'm knitting a scarf at the last minute as a stocking filler:)

I did like seeing the words 'climate refugee' used, and that map of areas prone to natural disasters. I considered myself a climate refugee in 2005 - left the Gulf of Mexico area after Hurricane Katrina because of Hurricane Katrina. That one happened exactly a year after Ivan took my roof (and nearly everything I owned) - we weren't hit where I lived at the time in SE AL but I knew it was just a matter or time before a huge one like Katrina came in to the Wiregrass. I just couldn't take the climate any longer.

Between the 'canes, tornadoes, and heat, I knew I wouldn't last much longer there so I took a job in NW GA. We did get severe weather in NW GA but it was so much cooler there even in the summer I just shrugged, prepared, and left the rest to God. The biggest natural disaster threat in that part of Georgia was flooding and ice storms - a lot of homes built on stilts or in other ways to keep the main living above flood levels, and most of us, homeowners or renters, worked actively at keeping our above-ground power lines clear of trees.
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Thank you Sunnie. What do storm shutters look like/work?
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Why was Moly holy?
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Don't work on drop bears.
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Lol, Chook, I was taught to say holy moly instead of, well, you know:) Growing up on a cattle ranch a child learns all kinds of interesting words!

My storm shutters were Rolledens, they were mounted like an exterior window shade to the outside frame of the windows and sliding doors and you could hit a panic button that brought down all of the shutters if you splashed out for the really pricy ones:
http://www.rolladenlv.com/gallery.php

Ours were a bit more budget and came out of the factory in southern FL, the 2nd big feature for us was that our set had a manual override so you could close/open in the event of a power failure. 1st big feature was that the shutters could withstand airborne missiles flung about by very high winds thus saving the cost of replacing expensive double glazing. (Of course all bets were off if the storm took the roof off, lol!) We got quite a nice discount on our homeowners for having those.

Back in 'the olden days' people made do with a set of interior-exterior heavy plank wooden shutters, those also worked wonderfully to protect window glass and the people inside.

All those X taped windows you see when people are preparing for a storm? Doesn't do a dang thing except give a slim hope that when something shatters the glass the shards won't be big enough/small enough to inflict a fatal wound to a living being. Storm shutters work, doesn't matter if you can afford nothing more than marine grade plywood - shutters work!
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@chookchook Here is a cabinet that I asked for legs but for some reason they just floated it. It was more work for them. I like something high enough to clean under.
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Off-topic, JPetempich, that's GORGEOUS!!! Everything, the entire room!
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Yes, lovely.
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Thanks you, it means a lot to me, I need confidence in many of the things I do.
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Great work so far, any insights on Asian solutions?
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Hello folks!
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Does anyone else prepare for natural disasters or problems, maybe increased costs of cooling or heating?
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nope ! just go with the flow with a big fat smile on my face and hope for the best !!!
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OnePlan,paying insurance is good.
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Hi chook! My new house (if it gets started--#@&#%*& bank--we were supposed to break ground weeks ago) is going to have geothermal, solar panels, southern exposure, and broad overhangs, and will be partly built into the hillside. Or my lot might remain a very expensive picnic site.
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I think this Rain Xchange System should be in every home in the world. Water harvesting is the way to go. You can reuse the water for washing cars, flushing toilettes and watering plants. If they are installed during the build process it would be a lot cheaper have done. http://www.rainxchange.com
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Jean, maybe an ethical investment firm would be interested in loaning you the money? I know they do small startup companies, could you run a business from home?
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Vizx Design, they say water will be extremely short in the future, although it is difficult to imagine during La Niña. Certainly during our last drought , that lasted 10 years in Southern Australia, and led to the worst bushfires ever, local authorities started encouraging household water collection. Thanks for your idea.
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Thanks, chookchook. I sure do like the sound of an ETHICAL investment firm. The bank is charging us interest already on part of the loan, while making us jump through unnecessary hoops for the rest. I can't declare my house as any kind of business center. Couldn't hang a shingle on it, at least. The bank'll come through. They better!
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Samantha...just read your post, wanting to keep this discussion alive? For you (and others), there are foundation vents that are made to flip up and allow water to "flow thru the crawl space ". Second, for all here that are in flood zone areas and are paying for the high cost flood insurance: be prepared to pay lots of out of pocket $$$ to restore your home after a flood. I have a friend that had a home that was reclassified as a flood zone, started paying flood insurance ( was forced, no choice by his mortgage company) and then was hit by a flood...they deprecated everything that was messed up by the flood: furnace, water heater, main power 200 amp panel, and his garage door by over 75%! Look when you buy, ask where the flood zone lies...if close, you can be assured that if there is an event, that line will change AND you will be paying, even if it is an event like a bridge downstream that was blocked by boats that got loose from their docks!
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Sounds like a case for a lawyer!
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Paragraph R, they were saying that the acv was paid in full, but it was older and the value was the value. Adjustment standards are below:
http://www.femainfo.us/Links/FEMA%20National%20Flood%20Insurance%20Program%20-%20Authorization%20Requirements.htm
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While living in Sydney years ago we had one of the storms they get in Summer. Baseball size hail stones came down , wrecking hundreds of roofs and cars. My car is an old Volvo so it got off well. Damage to house. Waited months for the insurance, and they said that all the damage on the ext walls caused by the guttering disintegrating was not theirs to pay. Rotten wood, ruined paint etc was our landlords problem, even though their speedier help would have prevented it.
As for the guttering, it was asbestos and as I had young children playing in the yard every day, I had to get out the next morning and pick up every piece off the ground, there was none left on the roof. The landlord had gone to hospital with a heart attack so it was down to me. The things you do...
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We have big hail like that (well maybe golf ball size) around here too, but I've never learned how animals or people stuck out in the weather could handle it. Can you tell me? It would seem that anything that could wreck a car and a house would wreak havoc on a tender living creature.
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I'm just glad I was viewing it through a window!
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Flows....


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We plan to build a new home in the next year. We have spent considerable time studying various heating/cooling methods for our new home. We were ready to go with geo-thermal but the cost is extremely high and it still depends on large amounts of electricity. Our plan is a story and 1/2 and found that the only efficient way to insulate the sloped walls is with foam. The initial cost is high but it appears that spending more for top quality insulation would make any system more efficient. Our house is oriented with windows to the south for solar gain in the winter but shade in the summer. The roofline will be excellent for solar panels if they improve them enough for northern climates. We have over 60 acres of forest so if the energy rates skyrocket, there are supplemental exterior wood burners that connect to your current system but this would be in desperation only.
We are in Minnesota (northern tier of states, Midwest USA) so climate control is paramount. We are relocating to an area with less blizzards but decided we did not want to be anywhere near sea level since water levels will continue to rise and coastlines will be destroyed. Our weather will be more severe as we have seen the last decade. Biggest, strongest, most severe are weather words heard constantly.
We are avoiding carpeting, laminate and any other surfaces that are not permanent. Our resources may be dwindling rapidly so longterm is very important for purchases. Earthquakes are becoming more frequent and stronger. This is partly due to fracking used to remove oil and natural gas from the earth but also to a natural build-up in the earth. We are choosing to not build on a steep overlook area of our property due to earthquake and also torrential rain possibilities. I am a realist. Hopefully none of the things will be necessary because of disaster but why not be better prepared?
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It can't hurt!
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Check out solar air heating. I have a thread on it.
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Chookchook2, do you have a link?
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It's El Nino (spelling?) that we worry about where I live -- haven't had a real hurricane threat since Katrina in 2005, but I had to evacuate 3 times that year due to serious hurricanes. And yes, we are building a metal building in the back of our property with a higher wind rating than our previous building (where we used to live) to accommodate for the real weather threats in our area. But as for global warming, the lead meteorologist at the Army Corps of Engineers federal building downtown told me personally that it is all a hoax -- but believe whatever nonsense you like.
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Global climate change would be a natural phenom is it weren't for the report "Owning the Weather 2025" This 84 page report talks about weather being used as a weapon of control against opposition. Be it another country or our own citizens. The US Air Force is the author. You can still find it on the web. Having the ability to cause drought (the Western US) or massive rainfalls (Florida panhandle 24" in 24 hrs.) Mud slides, hail up to your car windows. Preparation is gas, guns, ground and gold. Another important "g" God.
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csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf
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What are you doing to prepare your buildings for natural disasters?
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I guess I would have to say nothing. I have insurance on my home and belongings. But there is not much you can do to survive damages from tornadoes. A safe place underground or in the basement would be the only options. I'm not near the water, so flooding would have to be the 40 day 40 night kind. I suppose if the Yellowstone Caldera blows I then may be living near the water........I'll deal with that later.
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I saw a TV show where they did a streamlined shape on a building on a Scottish island. It was extremely windy, but the side of the house facing the wind was narrower, and the roof was curved.
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Hi, everyone! Who is incorporating resilient building design?
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chookchook2: Did you check out the link to "Owning the Weather 2025"? You must be happy about todays news that Obama is going to go ahead with out the Legislative Branch and make the US follow the UN Global Warming Agenda.
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Ill have to believe you on that, I hadn't heard.
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