Using White Marble: Hot Debate Over a Classic Beauty
Do you Love Perfection or Patina? Here's How to See if Marble's Right for You
That gorgeous Carrara and Calacatta marble, with their classic white and gray veining, has been used for centuries in homes and public venues. But these days, this natural marble is striking up a debate among homeowners, contractors and designers. We all love the look, but the debate about the maintenance and wearability is bringing up questions about when white marble is appropriate to use.
As the specifying interior designer, I’ve been in the middle of these debates between clients who love the look and contractors wary of wear. So I decided to bring in tile and marble expert Melissa Patterson, showroom manager of Renaissance Tile & Bath, to walk us through the pros, cons, maintenance, and how to make the most of your marble.
As the specifying interior designer, I’ve been in the middle of these debates between clients who love the look and contractors wary of wear. So I decided to bring in tile and marble expert Melissa Patterson, showroom manager of Renaissance Tile & Bath, to walk us through the pros, cons, maintenance, and how to make the most of your marble.
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| Here, marble tiles line the floor of a contemporary bath.
Patterson says there are three questions you should ask yourself when selecting marble. You may find that what some consider a "con," such as the natural patina that develops on marble over time, is actually a "pro" for you. |
1. What’s the application? Marble is a natural product, so no matter what the application, it will change, age and wear over time. If you plan to use it on a floor, expect signs of wear from foot traffic. On a countertop like this, you'll want to address any concerns you have about about staining and rusting.
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| In this photo gorgeous white marble sits atop the kitchen countertops.
2. What is your attitude? Are you the type of person that needs a product to look exactly as it did the day you purchased it? Patterson describes two different mentalities: the European attitude and the American attitude. “When you enter into a European building, you can walk on the stone floors that are centuries old. Here in America, everything is roped off. I think that Europeans live more casually and enjoy the patina created from use and aging, where as some Americans want everything a bit more pristine.” Neither is right or wrong, it’s just a matter of asking yourself what your mindset is. |
3. How do you live? Are you the type of homeowner who picks up after yourself after each use in the kitchen? Or are you a busy on-the-go homeowner, where a kitchen counter wouldn't get wiped down until the next morning?
Acid from substances such as red wine, marinara sauce, blueberries and even lemons can tarnish the look of the marble if left to sit overnight. Keep in mind, the marble will not stain instantly! This only pertains to when substances have been allowed to soak into the surface.
Acid from substances such as red wine, marinara sauce, blueberries and even lemons can tarnish the look of the marble if left to sit overnight. Keep in mind, the marble will not stain instantly! This only pertains to when substances have been allowed to soak into the surface.
by Sylvia Martin
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The wet wall of this bathroom is beautifully accented in marble.
Aside from simply cleaning countertop surfaces after each use and wiping down your marble walls and floors, there are a few things you can do to lengthen the life of your marble.
Aside from simply cleaning countertop surfaces after each use and wiping down your marble walls and floors, there are a few things you can do to lengthen the life of your marble.
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| Marble maintenance tip 1: Have your marble sealed. A sealer won’t protect your marble completely, but it will buy you some time if you’ve left an acidic substance on your surface that wasn’t wiped up right away. In a location like the fireplace surround shown here, a sealer can be helpful to protect against soot stains. |
Marble maintenance tip 2: Spot-treat your marble. Many home improvement and tile companies sell a spray cleaner that is also a sealant. You can use this cleaner periodically in high-use areas as a spot treatment. A bathroom sheathed in gorgeous marble like this could benefit from spot treatments around the bath faucets, tub entry and commode.
Marble maintenance tip 3: Consider polished vs. honed. A polished marble is a little more resistant to staining, whereas a honed surface is a bit more absorbent. Many people choose a polished marble countertop for that reason.
In this bathroom, marble is used on almost every surface in the space.
The bottom line is that you have to ask yourself how you live and what your preferences are. Marble has been used on countertops, floors, and other surfaces throughout Italy, New York, and other places for decades. Many of these installations have a beautiful patina look where the veining has changed throughout the years.
If you are the type of homeowner who wants the marble to look as it did the day you bought it, a natural marble product may simply not be for you. But, if you love the character and beauty that a product develops with use, marble may be a perfect choice for your home.
What is your experience with marble? Tell us below!
The bottom line is that you have to ask yourself how you live and what your preferences are. Marble has been used on countertops, floors, and other surfaces throughout Italy, New York, and other places for decades. Many of these installations have a beautiful patina look where the veining has changed throughout the years.
If you are the type of homeowner who wants the marble to look as it did the day you bought it, a natural marble product may simply not be for you. But, if you love the character and beauty that a product develops with use, marble may be a perfect choice for your home.
What is your experience with marble? Tell us below!
Ideabook updated on July 17, 2011.
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PS I have Fireslate countertops that went beyond a simple "patina"--within months they looked ravaged and ugly. I love marble but I don't want to make that mistake again! Keep in mind what's really involved in products that require a sealer--you have to clean off your countertops completely, apply the sealer, and let it dry for at least 24 hours before you put everything back. With small kids and a constantly used kitchen, I find that isn't easy to do!
Many showers clad in white marble turn yellow and orange do to the large mineral content in the stone.
A wonderful product but hard to pull of in a steam shower or high flow shower.
John Whipple
By Any Design Ltd.
The pictures are of the worst water rings next to the sink, and again I can always rub most of them out with a polishing paste or very fine water proof sandpaper, water and elbow grease.
I can't imagine living with high polished marble kitchen counters, any etching would be tough to look at, but a honed marble is pretty easy. One thing to keep in mind about marbles is that the lighter colored marbles (Calacatta and Carrara) are harder than the dark ones.
I assume that marble can't be resined for some reason...does anyone know why?
The polished surface shows etched water rings and etched spots from juice or fruit, but I've had no staining. And you can only see the spots when looking from the right angle - most of the time you don' t notice it at all. So, polished = less staining, honed = less etching. Here are 2 photos of the same countertop at different angles and lighting.
This design is dedicated to my P.M Memana for review.
Another tip: some true quartzites resemble marble but are much more bulletproof. Here's a photo of the Vermont White quartzite we used in my daughter's bathroom. I tested a sample with everything from sharpie market to nail polish and lipstick to ketchup. The only thing that marred it at all was Salycitic Acid acne treatment, which left a very slight etch.
Thank you
Diane Seiden
Part 1: http://www.granitegurus.com/2010/05/experiment-of-etching-marble-part-one.html
Part 2: http://www.granitegurus.com/2010/05/experiment-of-etching-marble-part-deux.html
This Marble is the hardest White Marble in the world. It used to be quarried by Georgia Marble & Granite but I believe it is now quarried by Vermont Stone quarriers. This Marble is a pure white, may not be as veining as the others and not as grey as the others. You still may be able to find this material, I know it was in great demand and the quarry was getting quarried out.
Possibly this might help some of you guys that are sitting on the fence as to using the softer materials if you can find it.
This would be good for all your countertops
We are considering fireslate. Would you ever be able to share a photo or two of yours? As you say, it is hard to picture what it will look like once it's in use and what "patina" means for a specific material.
It could be that your installation is getting water from below or above and the moisture is causing the iron deposit in the stone to rust out - this effect is common with many lower quality Marble tiles.
It is so important to soak a lager sampling of tile and monitor the effects once removed from the water and to buy the product from a supplier with a long relationship with his supplier.
Sorry to hear about your instal issues....
JW
John could be right however to me it sounds more like insufficient preparation work and or the wrong setting material and maybe also the wrong setting technique.
Did the tile guy installed the marble tiles directly on the wooden (plywood) floor ??? Could you give us a bit more input what exactly your installer did and what setting material he used. Was it white? And maybe you can also provide us with some pictures. And in what area is the marble starting to turn its color? Is it close to wet areas like your shower or bathtub ore near your toilet bowl?
!!! Installing natural stones and especially marble is DIFFERENT than installing ceramic or porcelain tiles !!!
Regards.
3D-Tile-Design - Bertram Tasch
Maple Ridge, BC (Greater Vancouver)
http://www.3D-Tile-Design.ca
My email is: houzz@3D-Tile-Design.ca
Thanks, Bertram
JW
And as far I can see is the miscoleration probably caused by the "underground". As you can see the shape of the "stains" is continued over a couple tiles. This is usually a typical sign when the marble was installed directly on the wood floor (hopefully plywood) without installing any waterproofing membrane before. The "ingredients" from the plywood dissolve when the wood gets wet/dump and travel upwards through the marble tiles.
Marble is very porous and act like a sponge. How porous it is can you test by yourself when you hold a flashlight behind a bright marble tile. You will see the light spot on the other side. It looks like the marble tile is glowing.
!!! And this is the reason why you have to use ONLY special setting materials when installing marble no matter where! Furthermore is this setting material always white ! - Regardless whether it's thickbed or if it's thinbed mortar.
The scenario which John described would cause more "dotted" spots on each marble tile. This pattern would look different.
Regards.
3D-Tile-Design - Bertram Tasch
Maple Ridge, BC (Greater Vancouver)
http://www.3D-Tile-Design.ca
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!!! Therefore it is mandatory to prepare the floor properly and also to use ONLY special setting materials when installing marble to avoid such problems.
SandyB
But I love my new kitchen!!!
Can anyone recommend a specific cleaner/dealer product for one or two times a week use? The installer suggested I clean daily with a simple product, Windex. Of course this has to be the one without vinegar! But can any of the stone professionals weigh in on this?
thanks!
PS, the kitchen is not quite done. I'll post pictures when it is!
As far as the alcohol, you won't harm the surface in any way with alcohol but you may degrade whatever sealer was applied. Also, be careful on products (including alchol) with fragrances as they sometimes contain acids.
Again things to STAY AWAY FROM when caring for white marble:
- Acids - Including but not limited to cleaners with Citrus or vinegar
- Ammonia - such as windex, glass plus etc.
- Harsh Cleansers such as bar keepers friend, or ajax (soft scrub with bleach is OK for small, light staining)
- Common - "marble polish" or "marble cleaners" often these cleaners and polishes are either topical, or contain chemicals that have no business on marble.
Things TO USE when caring for white marble:
- Soap and Water
- Easy Oxy
- Soft Scrub with bleach
- Mild mix of bleach and water
For some more info on white marble and staining click here:
http://www.ryemarble.com/resources/countertop-maintenance/
If light etching can be buffed or scrubbed, what should be used?
Also, what's the alcohol to water ratio for wiping up spills, how much alcohol to water?
And you mentioned Easy Stone. But that doesn't have a sealer component. Is there a cleaner sealer component that I can use every week or so to reduce the big job of a regular sealing? I am seeing so many different recommendations, from every 6 months (advice from my general contractor) to every 10 years (different stone care sites)! One stone expert said he didn't believe sealing was necessary past the original sealing!!! It's so hard to know who to listen to...
thanks much!
Julie
Also as I may have mentioned, SEALING WILL NOT STOP ETCHIING. Sealing is not a magical product. It merely is a solution of dissolved solids. When the solution is applied, the solvent evaporates, leaving the solids behind in the pores of the stone. Certain sealers will last longer than others. I recommend to all my customers who purchase white marble that they seal their counters every six months to be safe. To tell if your counter needs to be sealed, let a saturated sponge sit on the counter for an hour or so. If, when you pick up the sponge and wipe up any excess water the countertop appears to have darkened. It needs to be sealed. Many fabricators do not seal counters properly from the start. Many sealers need time to penetrate the stone. So often to save time installers incorrectly apply the sealer. Stay away from any "all in one" products. If you have any other questions, you are welcome to visit http://www.stonefabricatorsalliance.com , start a free account and ask the pros yourself.
Keep in mind that my advice for white marble is different from other stones. Hope this was helpful.
If you are thinking that this cant be than have a look at the following web site www.clearstoneUSA.com
Clearstone looks like a coating. The italians have been coating marble for years.... Sort of like a polyurethane. I don't recommend it.
Clearstone has however been around many years in Australia and used on Bar tops, Kitchen tops, Vanity tops etc , it is easily repaired and after years of use can be sanded back to the finish you want this can be done time and again, any chips or deep scratches can also be quickly and easily fixed, try doing that with the old Italian two pack.
There are applicators in Australia applying Clearstone to hundreds of tops every year, and a great deal of very satisfied clients are saying wow!!! also the retailers selling stone are able to sell what ever the customer wants without the worry of acid etching or staining, how good would it be for your customers to come into your showroom and choose a Onyx, Marble, Travertine, Limestone top,and all you have to say is put Clearstone on it and you get 15 years warranty against Staining and Etching.
Thanks so much in advance for your help and the sooner the better as it's time to decide:)