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Barrier-Free Shower Stall

Master bath in a private home in Brooklyn New York, apartment designed by Eric Safyan, Architect, with Green Mountain Construction & Design
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August 17, 2014
senga6 wrote:
Code Issues? - I was under the impression that a walk-in shower requires a curb height 2" above the drain. Does that apply here, and if not, how do you get around it? Also I've read elsewhere on the internet that NYC showers require a lead shower pan by code. Is this built on one? I'm about to renovate and want to get it right. Great shower btw. Love the towel shelves and sliding door.
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Thanks for asking and for your kind words.
Curb height, is answered different ways on the internet, not always by people in authority or willing to mention their professional or trade licenses, and it is confusing. I understand enforcement, interpretation and local codes may be inconsistent.
Disabled people, and any of us could be, temporarily or permanently, are often limited or excluded by curbs, which others easily step over. I am not a lawyer, architect, or engineer, but I expect where the ADA and other regulations conflict, it will eventually be resolved in favor of the federal rule.
The total height in this photo from the top of the drain to the top of the waterproofed threshold at the bathroom door is about 2.” It just worked out that way. If you need 2" in your bathroom, you can adjust the run and rise of your slope, and level of your threshold. It is not a curb, but I understand it satisfies the requirement in some areas, as written or enforced.
My licensed plumber reported it as “Ordinary Plumbing” in an existing house, because there was a fixture there previously, and my city can’t afford to send an inspector whenever a home owner replaces tile and fixtures.
As a practical matter, the entire bathroom floor and all walls are waterproof with Schluter Kerdi fabric membrane, more than 2” up, and more than 76” up in the shower. The threshold and the base of the door jams are also waterproofed. Flood water rising from a blocked drain and reaching the top of the threshold, would exceed the amount contained by a 2” curb, or a much higher one, if it were around the shower only.
NYC Code, last time I checked, still describes the two-stage, lead-pan system, but a plumbing contractor for the often expanding NY Methodist Hospital, recently told me he does not allow his employees to install lead in showers. Lead is poison. Two stage shower drains are obsolete (lead or vinyl) and highly problematic.
Exposing workers to lead, may expose contractors to litigation from them. I suppose, since it is in the building code, that may protect contractors from litigation from home owners regarding mold, ceiling damage, etc. To protect home owners, I explain why lead pans are hazardous and ineffective. If they still ask for it, I walk away, but they rarely ask.
Good luck on your renovation.
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July 10, 2014
samuelhcohen wrote:
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Sorry, the plans are not available, but I try to use all the available space. I make my own sloped base, and apply waterproof fabric membrane, so I am not restricted by sizes of other available products. I advise for towel storage, you need about 14" shelves. These ones go back about 1/2 way, as there is a plumbing stack behind.
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July 7, 2014
jmartinkovic wrote:
Who makes the light fixtures?
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Halo recessed led ceiling fixtures, the ones you see are Hudson Valley Cornwall
    Bookmark   July 8, 2014 at 4:57AM
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May 24, 2014
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I bought the sliding door hardware called "Hydroslide" and ladder handles from CR Laurence. I prepared templates and brought them to my glass fabricator. They cut the glass, drilled holes for the hardware, tempered the panels and delivered. I installed them myself. Any glass fabricator can do this and probably has an account with CRL. The big problem to avoid is to keep your glass installer from drilling through the waterproof membrane to install a guide, channel or other hardware in a wet location. A lot of glass installers in my area routinely make that mistake. Be advised: drilling through the membrane directly under the tile voids my warranty and can kill the shower. Caulk or "sealer" will not undo the damage. The small floor guide you see here is adhered with JB Weld automotive epoxy, not screwed. Holes and screws though the wall tile for the track are well above the water line.
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April 10, 2014
Linda Lacher wrote:
How did you waterproof the window? - Love the look, what about window rotting
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After almost 10,000 idea books including this photo, you deserve a prize for asking about the window. Perhaps you had a window rot in your house, or on your job.

The client had a small window installed of PVC to replace a larger wood window. I treated the area like a shampoo niche, applying Kerdi fabric with in and out corners all around the window opening. Where adhering waterproof Kerdi to soft wood or any surface not suitable for thinset, I switched to urethane caulk (not silicone). The window is inserted in to a waterproof opening in the interior. The granite slab is inserted a few inches under the window, but over the Kerdi. The slab, and stoneware tile are also set in some deep recesses with urethane. The exterior is aluminum siding, like the rest of the house, and I applied some roofing membrane before the siding was patched and before the window went in for the last time. There is a lot of redundancy. Shower water would have to run up hill before it reaches any vulnerable seems, but they too are sealed. It was a puzzle, but after the exterior survived Hurricane Sandy, I was pretty sure neither the interior nor the exterior would be a problem.

Finally, wood windows are not OK in shower stalls. But, PVC plastic or aluminum are not easy to glue Kerdi fabric on to either. I am advised Epoxy can work with PVC (PVC window parts are "welded" together) but I haven't found an epoxy yet which sticks long term. If anybody out there has a clear marine epoxy they use on plastic windows, please let me know. Aluminum seems to adhere to urethane caulk, pretty well. Feel free to look me up in Brooklyn to discuss this if you like.
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Wish you were in Calif. You sound like you know how to do the job the right way and don't cut corners. I'm sure you have a long list of happy clients!
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November 22, 2013
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The sink and toilet are Kohler Bancroft. The flush lever was changed to brushed nickel, the Faucet, trap, and supply lines can also be brushed nickel, your choice. I recommend you pay what your local showroom asks. Pictures are good, but even if cheaper on the internet, it helps to see and touch. For instance, compare the white fixtures to the white tile, not all are the same. I don't know what you should budget, but support your local showroom, or they will not be there when you need them.
    Bookmark   November 23, 2013 at 11:21AM
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This is an old post, but older posts are useful, too. Kohler white is the same as Crossville Tile's Retro Pure White, matte porcelain field tile -- in my opinion. Kohler and Toto (and some other brands) use the same colors, but I prefer the Toto if it works -- Kohler had deeper tubs; Toto had more advanced technology for ease of cleaning. A marble in my four color glass and stone deco looked just as good with a less expensive white field tile in ceramic -- less than Crossville's porcelain by half -- in the basement. Whites change with light and it is important to see how the tile looks in the daylight and at night. A color of paint can also affect how a white tile will look in combination with other elements. A matte tile will reflect less than a shiny, polished surface like a porcelain tub/toilet/sink. In the basement the tub is also Kohler white and the fixtures are Porcher white (vanity with sink and toilet purchased at steep discount from a showroom that was closing). I used this less expensive white matte field tile in the basement bath that receives no sunlight, and also installed a stone gray porcelain tile floor. the glass and stone deco provides the bright "daylight". The Crossville matte white tile was used in an upstairs hall bath that receives indirect sunlight. I was able to use a Merona decorative tile in 1" white mosaic (not as suitable for showers, but okay above four feet of wall in a tub shower) -- to help offset the more expensive (and durable) Crossville porcelain. The Merona tile has a stone element that is sparkly as well as a glass -- and it looks great with the quartz countertop.
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October 31, 2013
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Sorry for the long delay. Teh left side slides. The other is fixed at the floor and to the rail.
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October 31, 2013
lorrgarr wrote:
Hi, Who makes the mirror? Thanks!
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It is a custom medicine cabinet.
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October 31, 2013
corinnemcgrath wrote:
Would love to know the brand and colour of the small tiles in shower
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The wall tile is Clay Basics in Cotton White 3 x 6 and Random Bamboo 1 x 6 purchased at Nemo Tile in New York City.
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The toilet may be Kohler and $445,if you need,I can provide more manufacturing information like this type in China. Get you surprise for the price difference!
    Bookmark   November 20, 2013 at 7:09PM
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October 31, 2013
Sau Nguyen wrote:
well-organized bathroom - where can i buy this shower?
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Funny. I just came back from a week in Berlin, and I saw mostly excellent and some surprisingly bad design there. The "WC" as you say is 15 inches not "cm" from center to the wall, (or shelf) as per code around here. I notched a joist to get it exactly where the client wanted it, so they have space between the sink and toilet. I also added jambs for doors over the towel niche, but so far they have not asked me to install doors. This came up in an earlier comment. I better put some new photos up. From what land are you viewing my work?
    Bookmark   February 3, 2014 at 5:31PM
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Ah, I see now, Scott-land. Thanks for complements from there.
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October 30, 2013
rabblefish wrote:
Would love to know the shower door manufacturer. - Have never seen sliding shower doors before - brilliant! Elegant track and great space saver.
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Who is the manufacturer of the shower doors
    Bookmark   February 26, 2014 at 5:34AM
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Thanks for asking. Please read this thread from October forward.
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September 19, 2013
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did you have to slope the floor or did you use a pre-made base? its awesome!
    Bookmark   March 29, 2014 at 1:07PM
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I sloped the floor to fit available space. I find this less complicated than adapting a polystyrene base of a standard size, or a custom manufactured one.
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May 3, 2013
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My only concern is the shower floor. While I love the look of the larger tile and can see the special cuts made to allow the shower to drain, I worry about slip resistance of a smooth tile like this.
    Bookmark   October 30, 2013 at 6:28AM
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I am always concerned about slip hazards. Fortunately, floor tile manufacturers are too. The 13" grid is overlaid by cuts forming a slight inverted pyramid sloping down about 1/4" per foot from corner to center. This gentle pitch is enough to drain water quickly and completely. A lot of old houses have floors more slanted than 1/4" per foot (until I level them) and nobody falls down. The floor tile is Daltile, Veranda Solids, color: Saddle. It has a comfortable, leathery feel to it. Easy to grip.
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March 15, 2013
ecronan062 wrote:
I would like to know the paint color. It is beautiful.
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PAINT COLORS B MOORE LATEX:

Doors and Trim: 2148-50 SANDY WHITE SG
Ceiling: 2137-70 WHITE WISP EGGSHELL
Walls: 2138-60 GRAY CASHMERE EGGSHELL

Hey, what about the tile? Glad you asked: We work with clients to select tile and stone texture, pattern and colors first, because these will limit the otherwise infinite and difficult choice of paint colors. But, we apply the paint before the tile to limit the drips and for nice transitions between grout and paint. Everything gets touched up and cleaned later, but cement and grout wipe off painted more easily than raw surfaces.
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February 4, 2013
Francine Champagne wrote:
would love to know the brand of toilet and sink - toilet and sink brand
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Sure Francine, Kohler Bancroft
    Bookmark   February 4, 2013 at 1:07PM
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Armoire à serviette
Tiffany Lund added this to Accessible Bathroom
December 21, 2014
curbless shower
scottersons added this to Bathroom
December 21, 2014
Switch sink & toilet?
mryesl added this to mryesl's Ideas
December 21, 2014
Blue wLl
jean173 added this to jean173's Ideas
December 21, 2014
Etagere derriere la douche
gharriso added this to gharriso's Ideas
December 21, 2014
Wall storage hides pipes.
Tom Oestreich added this to tom_oestreich's ideas
December 20, 2014
could work
Kerri Caswell added this to Kerri Caswell's Ideas
December 20, 2014
No step
Kate Joyner added this to kate_joyner's Ideas
December 20, 2014
Universal design
ololsen added this to Bathroom
December 19, 2014
Towel storage
vxochilt added this to vxochilt's ideas
December 19, 2014
bath towel storage
aleighbader added this to aleighbader's Ideas
December 17, 2014
Tiles
jenmt added this to Bathroom
December 17, 2014
towel storage
enniskl added this to enniskl's ideas
December 17, 2014
Shelves
liliint added this to liliint's ideas
December 16, 2014
barrier free shower, sliding glass shower doors
kimsearthwork added this to Bathroom
December 16, 2014
layout
mgunning added this to mgunning's Ideas
December 16, 2014
Shelving next to shower downstairs
Cora Zimmermann added this to Bathroom Ideas
December 15, 2014
Sliding shower door!
baxter1014 added this to Bathroom Ideas
December 15, 2014
Shelving
alanjpwoods added this to alanjpwoods's Ideas
December 15, 2014
Towel space
larkinvalley added this to larkinvalley's ideas
December 15, 2014
sliding glass door
Jolly Saluja added this to jolly_saluja's ideas
December 14, 2014
Towel rack
lmcd0125 added this to master bath
December 14, 2014
Border
ckross added this to bath
December 14, 2014
way to store towels
ekburress added this to Bathroom
December 13, 2014
Towel storage
annthalia added this to Shower Design
December 13, 2014
All glass and barrier-free entry doors/wall + small shelf closet with perpendicular access -- would work for us
junetx7 added this to junetx7's Ideas
December 13, 2014
Nope. Color, style, material mish-mash.
Deborah Osherow added this to Bathrooms
December 12, 2014
baseboard
evereker added this to evereker's Favorites
December 12, 2014
stone shower shelf double shower, shower window, towel shelving
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