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September 8, 2014
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suzzan8,
First I should let you know that although I am fairly knowledgable about how various types of pools are built, my true expertise is in the overall design (spatial layout, direct association to the architecture of the home, materials, circulation, and much more) of the Project. To get the best answer, it would be proper to contact a Pool builder that has a long history of building infinity and perimeter overflow pools. These types of pools need to built precisely and the contractor should have a great understanding pool's hydraulic system.

From the sound of your question, it seems clear that there is a major miscommunication between you and your Contractor. It sounds like your Contractor is not aware of your goals, or perhaps even worse, the Contractor is very unfamiliar to the building of Infinity Pools.

Generally speaking...:
Perimeter Overflow Pools: A perimeter overflow pool does not have a skimmer. Instead, the dirt and leaves are circulated and sucked into the perimeter water trough. The edge acts like a skimmer at all times and the debris gets pulled into the tank. The tank needs to be cleaned periodically and this can be a pain if not designed and built well.

Infinity Edge Pools: With an infinity edge, the water is spilling over a particular edge into the trough, which is essentially a big skimmer. Yet, this is not sufficient. There are other areas of the pool that may not be circulating towards the edge and can have leaves, dirt or build up on the surface.
Infinity Pools are really great to look at, but they can be tricky to maintain at optimal cleanliness. You could put a separate pump and filter on just the trough and treat it like it was an attached hot tub or just a separate small pool. Of course a skimmer would not work due to the large fluctuation in water level within the Basin. Only bottom drains can be used. (See images attached ffrom one of our previous projects) If this is not done at construction it is difficult to retrofit.

Sometimes the pool builder will include an extra main drain that the primary circulator pump can pull from. This can be run periodically as needed, or even continuously. It would pull from the trough and the water would go through the filter and then into the pool. The pool would then overflow back into the trough. The line would need a check valve in case the circulator pump turned off so that the water would not back up from the higher pool into the lower trough. The line would also need a good screen before the check-valve to prevent any debris getting into the line that could interfere with the check-valve. Did the Pool Builder include anything like that? Is it too late for them to add something like that?

Sorry, for this long-winded reply, it is just due to me not truly understanding the question at hand and why there is such a miscommunication between you and your contractor.

Best of luck!

Drew Sivgals
AMS Landscape Design Studios, Inc.
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suzzan8
Thank you so very much for taking the time out of your day to answer that so thoroughly. I think that we can at least determine if the contractor is capable of accomplishing the task. My primary question was how do you get the waterline at the same level as the deck. We have a 9' drop with a smaller lower pool so I think what you suggested will work. Again your help was so much appreciated! Suzzan
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October 12, 2012
scstilz wrote:
What type of stone is on the outdoor fireplace??
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zhengjianjun
Beautiful
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Theo Matthews
Awesome
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October 2, 2012
annet_vandermeer wrote:
Wow!! This is beautiful.
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zhengjianjun
Hgggh
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April 24, 2012
nrunkels wrote:
What kind of trees are those?
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hallmank11
i do not know the exact cost but i would think 20-30k for pool and another 10k for fire area and another 10k for spa hot tub… then of course another 15k for the details all around including the foliage… So 50-65k i would think
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This project with it's complexity of materials and elevation changes, probably cost in the range of $185,000. - $200,000.
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April 4, 2012
cinfranz wrote:
what is a ballpark dollar amount to this project?
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For this masonry project: Fireplace with similar stucco stone starting at $5,000 | Pool deck coping and jacuzzi coping starting at $7,000 | Planters with coping, about $2,000
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suzzan8
How could that project possibly cost only $175k! Is it a really small pool? That seems crazy inexpensive. If that's true, I would like the pool contractors name and number! We have a much less complex design with a 9' drop infinity edge and our bid was $250k for the pool without the decking. We of course declined to have them build and are still looking.
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March 6, 2012
jobahl wrote:
outdoor hot tub stone - Wondering if this is a landscaper's work or a regular masonary's work? The stone surrounding the hot tub and how it was done. Is this stone just put around a regular hot tub or other? Thanks much!
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sunnymede70
Please share details as to stone surrounding hot tub?
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Usually landscapers sub-contract masonry work. Sometimes the masonry work is already done and the landscaper works to complete the design. The coping surrounding the jacuzzi looks like a pre-fab concrete slab and the pieces that look like stone surrounding the walls and the fireplace is likely stucco-stone.
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