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chickweed!...need help please. Lots of questions.

14 years ago

zone 7 (or 6b?)..not really sure I get varying results. Any way, coastal NJ, Northern most Ocean County.

We renovated in fall 08' and again in fall 09. We used full sun mix (house faces SW) of varieties of KB/chewing Fescue/Rye that I bought from seed super store (SS5000 mix) from a rec. here.

We have an irrigation system, during the summer I water every other day in the morning, for about 30 minutes,we have sandy soil. It seems no matter how we try the weeds just take over! I was seriously ready to kill it all and cement the yard and paint it green.

Last spring we hired true green chem lawn as a last ditch effort. We even paid to have them slit seed last September. This was probably a mistake I realize now since they used a fescue grass I have blue grass. Well the fescue came in nice, it was lighter green than semi-established blue grass but I figured it beats weeds. In the fall when they came out and applied potassium, I left the house and when I came back there was a different worker there just leaving and he also applied potassium. I called true green and they told me that as long as my grass was established it wouldn't harm it. I told her well you just slit seeded about 6 weeks ago so it's not established. Into early spring this year it still looked much better than it had in past years but then I started to notice after they spring fertilized that the newer fescue was browning and dying. Then came more weeds again!

I called and told them the situation and I was told the potassium would not have harmed the grass and that the manager would call me. Surprise, no phone call. I called again, told the same story and again the manager was going to call me. Again no phone call. I come home from work the following day (3 weeks ago) and there was tru green slit seeding my lawn again, at no charge. This really is not a fix, I'm no expert but I know enough that the seed wont grow through all the chickweed. So here I am now, afraid that the chickweed is going to take over the whole lawn. The sections of blue grass look great but where everything else was is all chickweed!

1. Can I kill the chickweed now with ortho clover/chick/oxalis herbicide? or should I have true green spray it with their stronger chemicals?

2. If I do, what should I do about the bare spots after the weeds die?

3. I can buy the same seed and patch it but how long will I have to wait after applying herbicide?

4. Do you think I am watering too much in summer? not enough?

I am seriously considering (after hopefully getting rid of the weeds) going organic. I'm definitely canceling true green.

Any advice is greatly appreciated! I will try to take pics tomorrow so you can see what I am dealing with.

Comments (5)

  • 14 years ago

    Chickweed is a winter annual and will die in summer.

    Any herbicides you apply now will kill the new grass that was just seeded.

    Your biggest problem is your watering schedule. Think about it for a second. When you seed a new lawn, what are you supposed to do? - Water, water, water. That is how you get seeds to germinate. You are doing that on a slightly smaller scale, but weed seeds typically germinate easier than grass seed. The result is basically the same - lots seeds germinating!

    As a long term weed control plan, you should have a basic plan that includes:

    1) Doing seeding in fall - most weeds germinate in the spring.
    2) Getting as much healthy grass growing as possible before winter so that you aren't disturbing the soil in spring.
    3) Watering deeply but infrequently. Ideally, that means 1" of water put down all at once. If the soil is really sandy, you might need to make that 1/2" twice a week.
    4) Mowing the grass high - 3"+.

  • 14 years ago

    Thanks for the reply Bill. I don't think the new grass is even germinating since they applied pre-emergent a few weeks prior to the seeding. I wish they hadn't done it. Since writing this I turned off the watering, it has been cool here anyway.

    So I guess I shouldn't spray the weeds now? I am just so afraid of them taking over the grass I do have, it was not easy to get to this point. FYI this is the mouse eared variety, not sure if that matters.

  • 14 years ago

    If they applied a preemergent,then the new grass isn't going to germinate. Go ahead and treat the weeds now if you want. A simple weed-b-gon spray will work just fine. chickweed is very shallow rooted, so you could also just spend a couple hours pulling it up.

    Most of the common preemergents work for months, so you are out of luck seeding this year.

    Fortunately for you, bluegrass spreads. If you have "some" mixed in with the weeds, it will fill in as the year goes on as long as you care for it properly. After summer passes, you can spot seed any thin areas.

    If you are trying to limit the use of chemicals, I suggest the "On the way in" method of weeding. As soon as you get home from work, go out and pull 25 weeds. It will only take 5 minutes but over a season, that adds up to 2,000 weeds.

  • 14 years ago

    LOL..I weed on the way in..on the way out..and randomly in between! For every 25 weeds I pulls it seem 50 pop up in their place.

    I guess I will spray now. Should I try spreading a layer of peat moss over the grass to amend the soil? in fall apply a pre-emergent to hopefully stop next springs round from popping up?

  • 14 years ago

    If you are going to spread of layer of anything to help the soil, go with compost instead of peatmoss.

    Seeding and preemergents don't mix. If you seed in the fall, then you don't use a preemergent.