Seaweed contains lot's of micronutrients.The fish has more Nitro.None
is better, they're both usefull, just have different nutrients.I
like using the seaweed/fish combo for that reason.

Why don't they list the % of each micronutrient then? It's as if the seaweed isn't being used for the micronutes...I can't understand why else they wouldn't list micronutes on the bottle.

My guess is cost. It doesn't cost much to grind up fish and shove it into a bottle, but testing each batch for micronutrients probably does.

Go to the store and look at a bag of synthetic NPK. It doesn't list the micronutrients either.

All that is really important to understand is that *all* organic materials contain micronutrients.

Heck, even the rain is rich in nutrients. It may not have much of any one, but it has most of the necessary ones and many that aren't necessary. So does tap water.

scott's synthetic npk lists 10+ micronutes and their percentages.............................

Synthetics are standardized, organic materials aren't.

Since the process to make synthetic ferts is constant it can be tested once and that is that.

With fish or seaweed there is no way to guarantee, with precision, what is in it from one batch to the next.

That's my * guess * as to why most organic ferts don't like percentages of the micros.

I believe there are over 60 micronutrients. It would very hard to fit them all on the bottle.

Neptune products appear to have a good track record with the Washington State Heavy Metals site...(thus far)...I use other products based on local availability/(checking in on the W.S. site). .Channeling into this particular supplier as a consumer might allow access to more label/pertinent information...

Don't be a slave to numbers, unless it's fun for you. I get the impression from some of your postings here that you tend to stress out about all the little factoids of organic gardening and composting. (you've said you were going crazy over it in fact) People have been growing fantastic food without tracking the percentages of micronutrients since the dawn of time. The stuff that plants really need to grow can be found in...plants. They incorporate it into foliage, etc. Compost that stuff, and you should have what you need.

You're right if you're thinking that some of those micronutrients are at levels that just probably won't help anything at the dilution rate for fertilizing as listed on the bottle (even "micro" nutrients have a level at which they're not really contributing). I love how everyone talks about the numbers of micronutrients in their products. Anyone know how many micronutrients are in a compost pile of shredded leaves and coffee grounds? How about just shredded leaves? I'm guessing lots. I'll guess "lots". I can't blame the companies that list numbers of micronutrients- from the number of people here that say "ooh- this one has 70!", or whatever- it seems to sell the product. Neptune's Harvest has a good reputation, so if they sell a little more, then good for them!

I drove to Hampton Beach and picked up 2 kitchen bags of seaweed. Made a thick tea with some of it and composted the rest. Why did I get it at all? We were there (my little dogs love the beach). Free compostables. You could do the same and not worry about numbers- percentages matter little when you have lots of material (low percentage times larger amount still means more total nutrient added). Reports that I've read make all sorts of claims about disease resistance and other stuff for seaweed/kelp micronutrients. I don't have any plant disease problems, but hey- it was free and probably won't hurt.

so if you throw in raw seaweed to a compost tea, how long does it take before the seaweed becomes effective?

iand i dont care about % of micronutes but i was curious why they didnt list any of the nutrients on there, and why they didn't mention anything about them on the neptunes

I agree, what makes Neptune's Harvest so popular is not the numbers (NPK) so much as it is the quality of the nutrients in the product. Neptune's has shown to out perform 20-20-20 fertilizers in Field studies, careful not to get too hung up on the NPK ...

Here is a link that might be useful: OrganicGardenGrower.com

Synthetics use chemical salts. It's easy chemistry math, if you add X amount of salt Y you get Z Nitrogen, Potassium, Phosphorus, etc added to the batch. Like they said, it's hard to look at a fish (or, more accurately a big pile of fish) and say "oh, well there's X amount of Nitrogen there."

I use Advanced Nutrients myself, but to each their own.

If you scroll down to the bottom of the page of the link below, you will find a detailed analysis of the nutrients in the Neptune's Hydrolyzed Fish product.

Here is a link that might be useful: OrganicGardenGrower-FAQs