You can pickup case Ingersoll and have all hydraulics you want used link below take to some people that no hydraulics on these tractors.

Here is a link that might be useful: tractor hydraulics

I agree on Surplus Center as being the best place to get what you need.

Best of luck with the project.

Gator_Rider2: Uh, this is a recently rebuilt Cub Cadet which is in prime shape.

So, there is no reason to go looking at another tractor (read Ingersoll) to rebuild or purchase new at some serious $$$$ expenditures. Though, from what I've read, the Ingersoll/Case are fine tractors too.

Same thing applies to John Deere's, Kubota's, etc. Not that I'd mind having a JD 332 myself or an equivalent.

That would be the same as me telling you to go buy a Rolls Royce when your current vehicle is perfectly fine.

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WheelHorse of Course: Thanks for the vote of confidence.
I've seen some upgrades just like I'm thinking of doing - some were even posted here. But, I can't seem to find the information now.

I am getting sample flow charts with equipment pieces drawn out ready for the project.

My biggest concern right now is getting the right parts for the right price and that they will fit in the limited space under the hood. I realize the hoses & controls will be external, but I can live with that.

What would have been helpful is some honesty. If you are intending to build a FEL for this Cub, then why not come right out and say so? The information you may get here is only as good as the information you provide.

A FEL is going to have either 3 or 4 cylinders and that matters a lot when it comes to choice of pump. If all you are going to do is put a power angle cylinder on a snow blade, then you doo't need much flow for that.

Here's my advice. Just Google "front end loader plans" and you will come up with a link to PF Engineering. Talk to him about which set of plans are best suited to your Cub and then buy them. In the long run, what you pay is worth triple because you will get a PROVEN design that is engineered. You will get a materials list so that you don't over buy or under buy on the steel and the cylinders.

Now, if you think that you are smarter than that guy and want to go your own way, then be my guest. Everyone is free to make all the mistakes they want to in life. As for hydraulics.....sorry but you only think that you know something about them. In reality, you don't and you will end up with a system that is not balanced. That's why companies hire hydraulic engineers. They know how to design a system that will protect the loader frame from self destruction and perform to the max.

Think about it. In my opinion, you are totally out of your depth with this project.

Kompressor,

Sorry to be late in posting, but this website's weird login kept me from responding much earlier.

I've reread my original posting, and I cannot see where I gave anyone the idea that I was an expert on working with hydraulics. So, I take your suggestion with a grain of salt.

I can however read, and I've studied a number of wide and varied subjects in my time. Hydraulics can be learned just like anything else with proper time and patience.

I have installed hydraulic bypass and an additional cylinder on the rear end of my Farmall Cub for the 3 point hitch. Either I'm darn lucky, or the information I read was on the money as I didn't blow out the hydraulic system, and the 3 point hitch has worked like a charm from the time it was installed as well as the other times it was removed for tractor restoration and then replaced.

That project also involved installing a cessna single spool valve to drive the rear hydraulic cylinder.

I had contacted kwikway on this project seeking to purchase a hydraulic pump separately to do my project. The project being to add hydraulics to drive either a IH scrape blade or even replace the electric actuators on my JB Jr Bucket when the actuators burn out. No intention of installing a FEL at that point.

However in talking with a representative of kwikway on the phone, I was told they are considering doing away with the FEL business on garden tractors as the demand just isn't there anymore with this weak economy. They also told me they really weren't interested in selling individual parts for the loader system.

With that amount of information, I then called Surplus Center inquiring about a hydraulic pump from them. Problem is the pumps I was considering were for direct drive, and not for use with a pulley to be driven from the PTO on the front of my Kohler engine. Back to the drawing board again.

I've read about people using automobile power steering pumps for the hydraulics, with good results. So, here's where I am.

At least I know my engine turns CCW, and I can either use a side mounted hydraulic pump the also turns CCW, or I can use a pump the turns CW by turning that pump to face the front of my engine and drive it via belt off my PTO.

So, there you are.

Oh, as far as the Case/Ingersoll is concerned: I hadn't even heard of the garden tractors (large farm tractors yes) until about a year or so ago, and it was from right here.

In my area - (NC), that brand of tractor is about as scarce as hen's teeth. Now that I know of them, I've found I think 5 total in the entire state of NC for sale used. But, since I have my Cub Cadet, I find it hard for me to rebuild yet another garden tractor just to get the hydraulics.

Besides, there's something to be said about building and learning from a project like this. I still enjoy reading and working with my hands. It is a hobby, not a job. That makes a huge difference as far as I'm concerned.

I had another hobby for well over 22 years. It became so intense that it became worse than a job. I finally gave it up even though I used to love it as much as I did. You know something? Though I miss it from time to time, I do not miss the "war of money" from the competition.

I now take my time an enjoy life as I can. It is getting shorter these days, and I love it more than I ever have.

Cheers to all of you.

The reason you got the answer you did is because of the way you framed your original post. If you want good information to come your way, then you need to give out complete information in the first place.

These are your exact words. "I want to add hydraulics to this tank. I'm looking at an add on hydraulic pump, 2 spool Cessna valve, reservoir tank, lines, and hydraulic cylinders for lifting and dumping tasks."

Do you notice where you used "lifting and dumping tasks"? That's what FEL's do. If you are not making a FEL, then stating exactly what you intend to build would have changed my reply substantially. Whether you take what I have to say with a grain of salt or not is of little concern to me. You are the one looking for hydraulic help, not me. If you end up making a bunch of costly errors because you don't want to listen to people with experience, then it's your wallet that will groan, not mine.

Enjoy your project.

I picked up a pump from Surplus Center it was busted right out of the box they sent me a new replacement for $60 and shipping so all in all I paid $85 + S%H + S&H for the return two weeks later + $60 for it's replacement +S&H again (TOTAL $200+ for a $85 pump) bolted the replacement in and there is no problem. They said I busted the first pump no warranty that should of been a full year. Now I have a 5,000PSI (on a system that never goes above 2000) pressure gauge they say I over heated but my system has a 120 degree kill switch on the oil tank. They are more then happy to send a new one for full price and shipping. I have to really question the quality of the parts they sell and have to caution anyone thinking about them like I did just because they cost less......I think really they rate close to most Dollar Stores. I have had nothing but problems with them and most everything they sold me.