They are presumably either var. stenocoma, or else too young to have experienced an unusually severe winter.

Can you post a photo of the cones?

Resin

And the trees?

Nate

Pineresin,

Does Stenocoma have different cone and any other specific differences from the species? I though they are hardier because of the location they are from like red maples in the USA. David

Named used for Turkish population, which actually makes up most of remaining stands. Morphologically intermediate between Atlas cedar and less hardy Cedar-of-Lebanon from Lebanon etc.

The cones of var. stenocoma are on average slightly slenderer (measurements on tightly closed cones; Flora of Turkey 11: 5, 2000):

C. l. var. libani: 4.8-6.4cm diameter
C. l. var. stenocoma: 4.3-5.5cm diameter

The foliage of var. stenocoma also shows a greater tendency to be glaucous.

The large overlap means many individuals can't be distinguished on cone characters, but some can, and with a large sample size, populations can be distingushed.

Resin

Cedrus libani var. stenocoma (Hidden Lake Garden; Tipton Michigan):
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Cones and foliage color on my Cedrus libani var."Stenocoma."

Dave

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For anyone wondering, those are male (pollen) cones on Dave's tree, not seed cones

Resin

my stenocomas are green. One of the pictures is a beautiful blue, seems as blue as atlantica. Where did you get yours? dcsteg

The ones I saw in southwest Turkey were mostly quite strongly glaucous

Resin

Here is a link that might be useful: {{gwi:624964}}

so uf there i so much variablity within the stenocomas as to color is the same true with hardiness? I`ve never found a grower that has anything but the green stenocomas and even those are hard to find.

You guys and your Stenocomas.....and I'm still monkeying around with barely viable seed!

Nate

Y'all need to go to Turkey for a holiday . . . 90% viability for wild-collected seed :-)

Resin

Forestfarm lists their stenocoma as follows:

Cedrus libani stenocoma HARDY CEDAR OF LEBANON
1 Gallon (1-2') $29
Hardiness : -10 to 0F
Description :
This very hardy selection from the Arnold Arboretum of a lovely large tree has short dark-green needles on stiff horizontal branches.S-PSh/M

Nate

Might be worth contacting schumacher seeds about
cedrus libani var stenocoma seeds I also badly want
seed of this tree myself.

I have some green ones that I purchased from Forestfarm and one from Fairweather Gardens. I`ve always dreamed of having the blue foliage and I don`t care whether it is atlantica or libani. I guess I`m not patient enough to grow them from seed.

I bought a 6' potted atlantica 3 yrs ago in the middle of a blizzard when a local nursery was going out of business-70% off! Mulched it in for the remainder of that winter, planted it out, and it has been doing great so far. It looks much like Dave's stenocoma. I was shocked it survived the first winter.

Two more color offerings.
Cedrus libani "Pendula"
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Cedrus atlantic glauca "Pendula"
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The bluish, open-growing Cedrus libani 'Pendula', 'Glauca Pendula' etc. of commerce is a scarecrow habit Himalayan cedar. Like other C. deodara , it becomes less glaucous with age. In suitable climates it makes a tall, striking, totem-like specimen. Photos have been put up on www by nurseries, under the wrong name(s). This is or has been a very common item out here at least, one of those listed by grower after grower (under the wrong name(s)).

Here's a photo of the cones I collected from tree mentioned above.
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Here's one of the trees that were at the collector's property.
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Bass

Cones look like regular C. libani to me.

Please tell me that those stumps were not its siblings.!
Nice looking plant!

Torreya-2006, I have Stenocoma seed from Schumacher and so far I only have a few seedlings, out of a lot of seed. I spoke to him a while back about my viability problems and he said that they were expecting more seed. Perhaps I should check back.

Nate

Those cones do look closer to var. libani than to var. stenocoma. Can you measure their diameters (at the widest point) please?

I wonder if those stumps close to the tree indicate that he used to have more, which might have been 'de-selected' from lack of cold tolerance?

Resin

Now here's another question. When you plant the seed, what size pot do you use? also what type of soil?
many of the seedlings I have died, either the pots where too shallow or the soil mix wasn't good. I would normally use 50% perlite mix to provide drainage. I had them in a 2.5" pots, can this be the problem?

Bass

Hi Bass,

You want to use a free-draining sandy soil, much as you'd use for many bonsai. Slight soil acidity is also good in that it reduced fungal disease risks. Keep the seedlings in very well ventilated conditions, full sun, and well spaced to reduce the risks od fungal disease spread. Avoid overwatering, keep the soil on the dryish side.

Resin

RE: The bluish, open-growing Cedrus libani 'Pendula', 'Glauca Pendula' etc. of commerce is a scarecrow habit Himalayan cedar. Like other C. deodara , it becomes less glaucous with age. In suitable climates it makes a tall, striking, totem-like specimen. Photos have been put up on www by nurseries, under the wrong name(s). This is or has been a very common item out here at least, one of those listed by grower after grower (under the wrong name(s)).

The needles in the last photo posted by dave do look more like needles on a small deodar cedar I have than the needles on my Cedurus atlantica "Glauca pendula" So if your post means you think the last pic is of a himalyan cedar I think thats possible.

The tree I bought as cedus atlantica glauca pendula does not have a scarecrow habit though, without staking it would be completely prostrate.

That was Cedrus libani 'Glauca Pendula', and not C. atlantica 'Glauca Pendula' (C. libani var. atlantica 'Glauca Pendula'). Weeping blue Atlas cedar is a quite different and distinctive plant.