holy shibonkers. looks bad for that roxburghii - it could refoliage - wait till mid-june. I see some green on that Auracauria. wait... cut off the white dead tissue though.

Dax

I'd wait until June, or a couple of weeks after the next heavy rain, to see for sure what has survived. But it doesn't look good. Very sad to see. :-((

Yep, P. patula is hardier than P. roxburghii; quite a few of the former growing well in Britain, none of the latter.

Resin

Also, the damage on the Cedrus deodara doesn't surprise me, that's why I've always rated this marginal in zone 7, except for the hardiest Afghan selections.

BTW, how did the row of Pinus brutia do?

Resin

Sorry to hear that. I was upset about relatively minor damage here when we went down to 19 F. P. patula is a really good species for us as it loves summer rain and has never been damaged by cold. Have you tried P. engelmanii? It might tolerate the cold.

I bet the P. roxburghii and the A. angustifolia will send out new shoots from the main stems. Both seem to do that readily when damaged. What is your average low temps. in winter there? I have seen unbelievable carnage to plants this winter in El Paso and other areas of Texas and New Mexico. Glad to see maximartinezii and douglasiana survived though! You should also try P. pseudostrobus var. estevezii (I know it is no longer valid as a variety) as it has done really well here.

Yes just got to get hold of seed from high altitude
forms of some of the above.Here in Britain we had
a severe winter but I hardly lost any of my trees.
Also plant groups of the same species.

"Pinus douglasiana"

Forgot to mention, the earliest valid name for this species is Pinus gordoniana, published 1847, 96 years before Martínez named it a second time after Hartweg's name was overlooked.

"You should also try P. pseudostrobus var. estevezii (I know it is no longer valid as a variety)"

I agree with Perry in considering this a distinct species Pinus estevezii, it isn't at all like P. pseudostrobus. Closer to P. montezumae.

Resin

I think the angustifolia is dead.
Last winter we had one angustifoila outside and we had -20 C.No chance. But it was a long cold time over several weeks.
So, wait and see.

Wolfgang

Resin -

Glad to hear you agree that P. estevezii is distinct. It sure seems distinct in cultivation.

Osprey, you have quite a few species native to summer-wet climates. Do you have a well or do you pay for municipal water?
In any case, sorry about your losses. From what I've read that was a once-in-a-hundred years event out there. Oh well. Resin is always reminding us they happen!

@Dax

the green you see is dried green, I scratched the bark at ground level and it is not green. I dont know if it will resprout from the ground level

@Resin

P. brutia are fine, but P. halepensis are toasted. I'm sure P. halepensis are ok, not like roxburghii which I think is dead. All the damage on the trees is just what I expected..... severe damage on roxburghii, strobiformis (south), araucaria angustifolia....but what about P. maximartinezii and douglasiana.... They survived at leat -20C. I believe you mentioned they get killed at -4C. It is a huge difference.

@Salisacea

P. engelmanii is very hardy. They get lower that -23C in their native range. They grow about 30 miles from where I have my trees, higher than my location. They did not have any damage on a single needle. I'm not sure what the average is, but we get down to 5-10F at least 10 a year, with 0F not uncommon. El Paso and Las Cruces gardens were severely damaged. All palm trees regardless of species are toasted. Only one or two species will survive. Even the local Ferrocactus suffered severe damage. I have P. estevezii, about 3 years old... no damage on them. By the way, it is defferent from pseudostrobus or apulcensis.... and it doesn't have the grass stage as montezumae.

@david

I have a well, with over 100 trees in the ground plus 200+ on pots, it will be too expenssive for me to pay for municipal water. Plus I have to water twice a month. It was a once in a hundred years for El Paso-Las Cruces, but only once in about 30-35 years for me.

osprey

The maximartinezii is likely dead. With juvenile foliage, it is even less hardy. That green needles are still visible says nothing about the meristems. A maximartinezii with mature foliage can survive one Winter with -12°, but will likely die in the next one.

Curious to see what will happen with the Cupressus benthamii. There is no doubt that it is hardier than the other species. No problem at -12° even in container.

No, P. maximartinezii is not dead. It just started to grow. It suffered severe damage, but not dead. So, how can you explain that. It is still in juvenile foliage and it survived at least -20C. C benthamii is also growing.... I will try to get some photos

osprey

My young pinus estevezii

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"No, P. maximartinezii is not dead. It just started to grow. It suffered severe damage, but not dead. So, how can you explain that. It is still in juvenile foliage and it survived at least -20C"

Short answer, I can't! Unless it turns out to be P. pinceana mislabelled, or something like that! Or else your protection measures were more effective than expected.

Resin

No, it is P. maximartinezii. I received the seeds from somebody who collected them himself. I know the buckets helped for some time, but not for long......

Very interesting but if the second winter will be so hard I think that P.maximartinezii will have big problems to survive.

I like the long needles of Pinus estevezii.

Osprey - any updates?

I am not shocked maximartinezii survived. The highlands of Mexico were much colder in the last ice age. There is likely some hardiness built in.

[O/T]. My Platanus mexicana survived -10F with no ill effects in the same weather.

Any updates Osprey? How are they a year later?

Hi, thanks for your interest!!.. Araucaria angustifolia, Pinus strobiformis (Jalisco) and Pinus maximinoii didn't make it... cedrus deodara were just fine, they looked like Larix by late April, but doing well. surprisingly Cupressus benthamii, Cupressus lindleyii, Pinus maximartinezii, Pinus patula and Pinus nelsonii did just fine, some damage, but back on track.
Pinus roxburghii is a different story, it started sending new growth by May, not from the buds, as they were frozen. There was juvenile foliage in the bottom 2/3 of the tree, with the top dead. Then, branches started to die throught the year, one by one, until it got to the botton 1/3. This year the buds started to swell early, but then we got 4" of snow in late March and -14C, which killed all the buds and the leaves. We'll see if it survives, but its future doesn't look promising.......

osprey

Thanks for the update. Too bad about the P. roxburghii, but, it is considered a zn 9 species, even less hardy than supposedly zn 8 Araucaria angustifolia. None in the UK, even Cornwall = not very hardy.

no problem David... yes, everyone keep telling me that, but I guess hotter summers help. Same goes for P. maximartinezii...

After reading that maximatinezii survived -10, I am contimplating planting my 3' that I have in a pot. Do you think the dry cold aided in its survival versus damp cold? Would hate to loose this rare pine but this gives me hope that it could possibly survive our winters that seldom dip below the low teens.

Where are you located? I believe my conditions helped.. which resemble more those of their native environment. Does your plant have adult foliage... plants with adult foliage are suppose to handle cold weather better, but I guess there is only one way to figure that out..

Osprey, do you recall where you got your P. patula? About how long did it take it to get that big?

I got it from forest farm.. and it took about 3 years to get that big. It is the only pine I have that grows more than once a year... 3 times ones year!!!

Anyone had any experience with Jap. White pine in NE Texas?

After -18c and now many frost wind :
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Pinus rigida WB
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Pinus sylvestris ...
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Pinus nigra ...
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Pinus mugo ... and many other like many young pseudotsuga menziesii.
Clement