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Needing some design help from all you conifer junkies:)

13 years ago

Okay, the fever has come back to me now that I have some time again after doing an almost 3 year house remodel. I have had to replace some conifers that I hated to get rid of but they had just out grown their spots and there was nothing else to be done. Anyway, I solved one dilemma thanks to Don at Porterhowse Farms but was wanting some help from all of you experts out there. I don't live in the west where all that great growing weather is so I have to create microclimates to make it possible for many of my plants to live. When you live in a semi desert area it makes it tough, especially like last summer when we broke 100 for many weeks straight. Anything that lived through that will make it. I was wanting some help from all of you that are familiar with most of the wonderful conifers that are out there and how they have fared in hot weather. I will be contacting Don again after I decide but did not want to waste his time before I had some decisions made. I have many conifers now and need some more to fill in some empty spaces. I have had good luck with picea abies, pungens, and orientalis; all pinus. I have a cedrus deodara that is doing great, some taxus varieties and some chamaecyparis pisifera that have done well. I have not had as good of luck with the obtusa but have one plant over 10 years that looks great. I have a Picea bicolor 'Howell's Dwarf'for over 10 years and all thuja does well.

Here is what I would like for you to do, help me design a little garden with some plants that will do the best on the west side of my house. It will be a 7' deep and 10' wide area up against my house, so the house will keep some plants away from the one side. This area will not have any microclimates other than our good old western Kansas one. There are some trees around that may help a little but not much. I know this is crazy but my head starts spinning and size of plants and shapes start becoming a blur. If anyone would be willing to help I would greatly appreciate it.:)

Comments (13)

  • 13 years ago

    ingeborgbot,

    Designing a landscape plan and then recommending what to plant is one of the most difficult things to accomplish over the internet. I can think of a half a dozen unknown factors that would prevent me from helping you.

    Let's start with a few photos of your house and area you want to landscape with conifers. If possible a 1/8-1/4 scale = ft. drawing of you foundation is needed including any steps, patios, or basement window wells factored in.

    I would say go to the landscape forum but since you want to feature conifers the plan needs to be designed to accommodate small dwarf shrubs and trees. A lot different then a perennial bed of flowers.

    If you can post those two basic needs I asked for I am sure you will get enough input from the group to get you started.

    Dave

  • 13 years ago

    I lost a ton of soft pines (5-needles) i.e. strobus/parviflora. My hard pines (2-needled) survived. Last summer was no different here.

    All Picea were almost un-phased. Firs, mixed results. Cedrus deodara, you bet, they tolerate about everything.

    I'd go with pines and spruce & the species' of pines:
    mugo
    heldreichii/aka leucodermis
    banksiana
    aristata
    ponderosa
    rigida
    virginiana
    thunbergii

    I don't know if you can grow firs, but if you can, get those grafted on Abies firma and species' should be:
    pinsapo
    koreana
    concolor

    There's a start.

    Dax

  • 13 years ago

    come on.. you are thoroughly enabled .... like a junkie to heroin ... sop you may as well learn to post pix ...

    i need a pic of the area .. for an opinion ... see link

    but for sure.. a space of 7 to 10 will fit ONLY ONE conifer..

    UNLESS you go the MINI route...

    and do NOT be confused into thinking that dwarves will fit either ... someone link her [inge?] to the intro to conifers] ...

    pic please

    ken

    Here is a link that might be useful: how to post pix

  • 13 years ago

    I will try to get a pic uploaded as soon as possible. There are no window wells for sure. It is pretty much a space in need of some dwarf conifers. So dwarf conifers won't fit in a space of this size? I have tons of spaces like this with dwarf conifers. They do grow, and if they get too big, I take them out and either give them away or take them to the dump.

  • 13 years ago

    My parviflora struggled the most but are doing fine. I have four parviflora and all but one are thriving. My strobus Horsfords dw. is doing great. So, I think most pines should do well for me too.

  • 13 years ago

    Dwarfs will fit for a time. Some longer then others.

    Like you said..."if they get too big, I take them out and either give them away or take them to the dump".

    I think most conifers will work for you with the exception of Abies...in Western KS....a stretch for sure. Cham. obtusa can be a problem for you also. You will just have to try them.

    You seem to have a good collection and some experience for growing conifers. What is your source for all these. In western KS I would think you would have to look long and hard for a place that sold anything worth having. Of course there's always mail order but your dealing with small plants.

    I would like to see some photos of your conifers also.

    Dave

  • 13 years ago

    I have gotten many from Don at Porterhowse Farms. Some from Stanley and Sons, others from r&r a sister to Porterhowse where Don referred me to sometimes for bigger and have had a semi bring them to me for my place and some projects I had done in the past and some I got lucky and found at a local dealer. Not many locally though. I could design this by myself as I have done so in the past but I just thought that picking peoples ideas that are truly experienced with this would help me make the best choices possible. I am just asking for suggestions from people and will make the final decisions after I look up the plants in question as to space requirements etc. I hope people don't think I am getting lazy. I just like suggestions from those that are in the know.

    I will take some pics and get them out sometime.

  • 13 years ago

    go to the link..

    study up on GROWTH RATES ...

    a mini grows one inch per year ...

    a dwarf grows twice to 6 times as fast ... up to 6 inches per year ... its all about how fast it will get too big ...

    never forget.. a dwarf of a 365 foot redwood.. might only be.. 285 feet tall ... but the mini.. well.. you get the idea ...

    what you need in a 7 by 10 foot area ... is something akin to the pics below

    ken
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    Here is a link that might be useful: link

  • 13 years ago

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    This is a pic of the front garden you wanted to see. I am embarrassed for how messy it is right now.

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    13 years ago

    you know, with that tiny space, I'd add a bunch of rock and some gravel to create a montage of mini and ultra-mini conifers. Something like this:
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    that was right after creation and planting. Here is the same space after a season (from a different angle):
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  • 13 years ago

    I'm not sure how far your property goes over or out, but is it possible to make that bed a little larger and wrap it around your house in a circle? Then perhaps in the middle of that circle add a nice center piece conifer... then some rocks and mini's in the section you took a photo of as mentioned above?

  • 13 years ago

    ingeborgdot,

    You little space is a start but it is pretty generic. It lacks character and flow.

    Give us a photo of the front yard.

    Dave I like your presentation with the large boulders. Cool setting that is conifer friendly.

    Dave

  • 13 years ago

    is snow removal an issue..

    if not.. why not go down the driveway ...

    ken