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Grass in the Strawberry Bed Again!!!!!!

18 years ago

Well, I busted my chops about three weeks ago (back when we were still getting rain and the ground was wet), pulling grass (Bermuda? Johnson? I can never remember which is which -- the kind with all the runners and little "knots" that tear up your gloves) out of the raised bed where I grow my strawberries. I mean I dug down and pulled out as much of the root as I could get and I thought I had a good handle on it. But by this Saturday it was actually worse than it was before! Grrrr. On top of that, there are ants. THOUSANDS of them.

Obviously I have not yet stumbled on the proper way to grow strawberries. I've been doing some thinking (since it's really too hot to do anything else) and I guess I'm going to have to start all over. Yesterday I cut off enough healthy-looking strawberry plants to use to make a new bed, cleaned and trimmed them, gave them a nice bath in some water with Epsom Salt in it, and packed them kind of snugly into three gallon-sized zip-lock bags and put them in the refrigerator. Then I sprayed down what was left in the bed with Round-up. More than anything, for the fact that I'm so hacked I just want to WATCH THAT GRASS DIE!!!!

At first I was just going to put the plants back in after everything was dead but then I realized that's just not a permanent fix. And dh announced he'd like to move the frame about a foot to the south so he can get the riding lawn mower between it and the apple tree without skinning up the bark.

So here's what I'm thinking, and please anybody that has any further ideas or knows what I'm planning won't work, just chime in. It's going to be a lot of work and I don't want to do it wrong this time. The raised bed frame is about 4' x 24'.

After the grass dies, I'll shovel out all the dirt, move the frame where DH wants it. Actually it'd be so much easier if I put it in a completely different place, that way all I'd have to do would be to pry up the frame and just leave the dirt there till I was ready to shovel it into the bed again. Hmmm. I thought I'd buy some 10-year black landscape fabric and lay it down first, edges sticking out from under the frame. I have landscape fabric already along one side to where the next raised bed is. I'd like to put it along the other 3 sides but DH is afraid he'll catch it with the lawnmower. Suggestions here? Then maybe a layer of cardboard to help keep the moisture in? Then put the dirt back in. I don't think mulch on top would work because then the runners the strawberry plants send out would not be able to penetrate the mulch to plant themselves and I don't want to have to spend time digging little holes for them in the mulch. Any advice here? The soil is good composted material so it's nice and loose but water just seems to run on through. That's good if we're getting rain every day but when the rain stops things start to die.

Further, what's the best stuff to use to kill these ants? Now, I'm all for live and let live but this is getting ridiculous. I've tried the cornmeal thing and mint and a few other home remedies and I don't normally use pesticides. But in this case, I'm ready.

And now back to the plants cooling in the refrigerator. How long can I leave them in there before they start to mildew? DH suggested I put them in the freezer. Could I do that? When I bought them they were dry, banded together with just little green buds and no leaves. Should I strip them down that far and dry them out?

Maybe I should just give up trying to grow strawberries altogether. Maybe I should just give all these plants away and buy new plants next spring, and plant alfalfa in the bed this fall, to till in.

OK people, what are your thoughts?

Comments (2)

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Ilene,

    I am going to start with the ants, because they a huge problem in and of themselves. I am assuming the ants we are discussing are fire ants? I try to garden as organically as possible, but controlling fire ants has been one of the areas for which the organic community has had lots of 'possible' solutions......and none of them worked well for me in the past. I've tried everything from beneficial nematodes to orange oil sprays (Citrex Fire Ant killer), corn meal, grits, garlic-pepper sprays, cedar oil, cedar mulch, mint tea, dried mint leaves, etc.

    I have FINALLY found an organic product that works for me in terms of removing fire ants from the raised beds in the veggie garden. The active ingredient is called Serenade and it is effective not only on fire ants but also is very effective when sprayed on tomato plants to reduce foliar fungal and bacterial diseases. The Serenade I use on the tomato plants comes in a spray bottle. The Seremade I use on fire ants comes in a granular formation. I buy the one made by Safer and I think it is called Safer Fire Ant Killer. I have used it this year in my raised beds and it has worked for me.

    In the yard area, away from any place that we grow veggies, tree nuts or fruits, I use Over 'N Out. It is amazing. I only have to use it once every 3 or 4 years. I don't like using chemicals, but will use them if needed and IF they provide the desired results. Over 'N Out does work but you cannot use it near anything edible, and it has a long half-life in the soil, so you can't use it in any area where you will eventually grow something edible.

    Now, as to the strawberry issues. I think the best plan is to start over with a new bed so that you can begin with NO grass in it. The problem with bermuda grass is that if you leave any stolon that is at least 1/4" long, it will grow and spread and RAPIDLY at that. That is why no amount of digging will get it all....there is always that tiny stray piece here and there that will regrow.

    If it were me, I would spray the area where the new bed will be with Round-Up or a similar glyphosate and give it time to work. I would lay down either cardboard or several layers of newspaper to help smother any grass that tried to regrow and lay down the good-quality heavy-duty weedblock fabric on top of that. I would build the bed on top of that. You DO need to have the fabric extend outside the edging of the bed or grass will creep up INSIDE between the fabric and bed edging.

    If it were me, I would extend the fabric out a foot or two from the bed, cover it with mulch, and maintain it as a pathway around the raised bed. At the edge of the fabric, I would use that metal green landscape edging to keep grass from creeping into the mulched path AND to help keep the mower from hitting the edge of the fabric or the mulch.
    It is a lot of extra work, but as you already know, it is easier to prevent bermuda grass than it is to remove it once it infiltrates an area.

    As far as holding the strawberries over in the fridge or freezer, I don't know how long they can be held in cold storage, but I think it is possible to hold them for months, although perhaps not desirable.

    I made the decision years ago (after growing strawberries) that growing strawberries in our climate required more time and effort than I was willing to give them in light of the fact that I have a huge veggie garden, fruit trees, nut trees and lots of acreage to maintain. You may want to consider whether strawberries are worth the time and money you will have to invest in them in comparison to the size of the harvest you get. On the other hand, if growing your own gives you great joy, then go for it!

    Dawn

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    You know, Dawn, you've got a good point there. When it's all said and done, I bet I spend a lot more money on the strawberries I grow than if I just bought several flats of them when they were in season. Not to mention the time.

    I've been keeping the grass at bay in the other beds by mulching with grass clippings and that has worked pretty well. We generally till these beds every spring, right before planting.

    Thanks for the information on ant killers. DH is going to Lowe's today, I'll have him look for both of them. We have ants EVERYWHERE. The other day they got on my head and I had to go wash my hair to get rid of them. I was kind of freaked out about it. Now my scalp itches in spots and I think maybe I have bites.

    DH and I have been discussing how much easier it would be just to relocate the bed, and I'm leaning towards cutting it in half, both in length and in width, making two, more manageable, beds. I have a spot where they would fit, it is between my house and my shed so is kind of a protected area, but still gets plenty of sun. The soil is really clayish there, and there was a tree there that we cut down and had them get rid of the stump with one of those "stumpeaters". But the tree roots are all over the place. I have a hard time getting anything to grow there except some hibiscus that grows up against the shed. So maybe two small raised beds there would be just the ticket!

    You would put the cardboard down BEFORE you put down the landscape cloth, then? I have some of that black plastic/vinyl garden edging, would that do as well as the metal edging?

    Thanks for the good advice. It'll be awhile before the grass dies and maybe by that time it'll be cool enough to do something. Oh, and I'm thinking about going out there now and sowing some alfalfa seed or some black-eye peas for a green manure in that bed, as I'll be moving that dirt into the new beds. Do I till it in during the fall or wait for spring?

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