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Fragrant roses to cut for the vase & zone 5 winter hardy, no spray

12 years ago
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Roses can be beautiful in a no-spray garden. I have rock-hard alkaline clay (pH 7.7) ... at first I fixed with peat moss, that glued up. Now I break up clay clumps with coarse sand or pelletized gypsum for bottom of planting hole. Here are my bouquets:

Below dark red rose is Stephen Big Purple. Dark mauve rose is Old Port floribunda. Yellow rose is Honey Bouquet floribunda.


Dark pink is Evelyn Austin rose, color deepened with molasses fertilizer.


Below are Bolero rose (white) and Sonial Rykiel (pink) .. color got deepened by watering 1 tablespoon molasses/vinegar per 2 gallons of water at pH 9. I get pale pink from that rose for the past 2 years until now.


Below big pink is Pink Peace rose, and the little spray of tiny blooms are "Annie L. McDowell" thornless rose, scent of lavender and lilac. Both perfume the entire room.


Below orange is Versigny rose, heavenly floral fruit. Yellow rose is Golden Celebration, smells like cup-cakes. Pink rose is Evelyn with floral peach scent:


Below Lavender rose is Deep Purple floribunda. Yellow is Honey bouquet. Light pinks are Francis Blaise. Deeper pink is Pink Peace.


Below big orange rose is "Sweet Promise hybrid tea", almost thornless, smells like apple blossoms. Evelyn rose is pink in the middle, Frederic Mistral rose is upper right.


Below bouquet has pink peace on lowest left, Liv Tyler medium pink, with W.S. 2000 upper red, and Frederic Mistral is light pink upper right. White is Bolero.


Below left pinkish purple is Wise Portia. Upper pink is Sonia Rykiel. Middle big pink is Liv Tyler. White is Bolero. Orange is Versigny. Yellows are Honey Bouquet. Red is Firefighter.


Would love to see your bouquets of roses, thank you.

Comments (335)

  • 4 years ago

    Straw - your Dee-Lish bush is AMAZING!! The potassium really helped with creating strong canes!! Everything about your Dee-Lish screams healthy and fabulous!! Love your roses...especially Taichovsky!!!


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  • 4 years ago

    Tchaikovsky is now over a foot tall with many buds on 6/7/22 as 9th-year own-root in my zone 5a. Below pic. is from last year 2021:

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    Sad that ORGANIC fertilizer Lilly Miller NPK 10-5-4 being discontinued since summer 2021. So I have to use chemical granules FOR THE FIRST TIME in decades, and I'm disappointed with the quality of blooms.

    Since chemical granules are fast release, I get more blooms in spring, but they blow fast in less than a week. Compare that to ORGANIC fertilizer, slower-release, so blooms are opened one at a time, for a longer period.

    I prefer CONTINUOUS release of blooms via ORGANIC fertilizers over fast & more blooms but lower-quality blooms through FAST release chemical fertilizer.

    Note the decline in the quality of blooms via chemical fertilizers, pics. taken 6/7/22. More blooms, but blooms are smaller and the formation is not as pretty as with organic fertilizer. Top yellow is Crown Princess M., middle pink is La Reine, upper dark red is W.S. 2000, light red is Tradescant, white is Bolero, yellow is Golden Celebration, lowest red is The Dark Lady.


    Comte de Chambord is the light pink, middle red is Tradescant, small pink is Radio Times (twice more blooms with chemical fertilizer, but blooms are smaller):


    Sonia Rykiel blooms are still big, but the quality is NOT as good as with slow-release organic fertilizers (horse manure and chicken manure):


  • 4 years ago

    Straw - thank you so much for the rose pictures and the great information!! I'm bloom starved here. :) :) This was a delight!

    Just so I know...Comte de Chambord prefers slight acidity, right? :)

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    Comte de Chambord blooms best with acidic rain water (pH 5 to 6 if neutralized by hard clay). One time I topped Comte with a wad of horse manure (pH 8), and Comte broke out in "Damask crud" which is large black stains both from the salt and the high pH of horse manure.

    Duchess de Rohan did the same with alkaline horse manure and dry & hot weather, leaves got ugly large brown patches, but both Comte and Duchess have best leaves and better repeat with acidic rain water. Comte's blooms can fry in high heat, thus best in partial shade (morning sun only):


    Below Duchess de Rohan retains its fabulous scent forever with its button hole blooms. Leaves are most healthy with acidic rain water, but gets "Damask crud" or brown patches on leaves if not enough rain-water during hot & dry.


  • 4 years ago

    Ill try to remember to take some pics of Cesk Praci Cest. Its a fantatic rose for a large area, espeicially suited for tree climbing. Lttle fragrance unfortunately, but exceedingly charming in form and presentation. Im hoping for some rebloom this year, although theres little about this rose so I dont know if this is in her genetics.

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    Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley You are blessed with many rare and exotic roses, I can't find any info. in HMF on Cesk Praci Cest. And I love your Star of the Republic pictures (Graham Thomas as the parent).

    I like any roses with Graham Thomas since they can take tons of rain here. Versigny, Sweet M., Dee-lish, Princess Charlene de Monaco, and Moonlight Romantica all have Graham Thomas as the parent.

    Moonlight Romantica is the biggest water-hog among the bunch, but the scent is just as wonderful as Golden Celebration. Below is Moonlight Romantica. Note the large leaves, it likes my soaking wet & dense clay:


    Moonlight Romantica lasts longer in the vase than Golden Celebration. Below bouquet has Rouge Royal as reds, light pinks are Aloha, top lavender/white is Lagerfeld, white is Mary Magdalene, middle pink is Savannah, blue is Poseidon, light yellow is Moonlight Romantica:


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    You can't find any info Straw, because I am an idiot! LOL! I forgot an E at the end of Ceske praci Cest. Very few grow this and its extremely hardy.... Tiny, but sharp thorns. Wonderful, charming rose perfect for a tree as it attaches by itself easily after just a little coaxing. Did I say that already?😃 also tip hardy to +4F so far and apparently not affected by freeze-thaw issues. Currently growing on a northern wall. Im hoping to get Versigny this year.

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  • 4 years ago

    Straw - oh so beautiful...RdR and CdC!!! OGRs are appealing to me more and more. Beautiful bouquet...love those Aloha blooms!!


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    Carol: thank you for your kind words. You are the reason for my posting. Augusta Luis is my best rose purchase this year since the leaves are scratchy underneath, which means rabbits won't eat it.

    I have been off from the internet for 3 weeks (since 4th of July) since I'm too busy with my garden & lots of veggies to pick, plus rooting roses. Thank God not much Japanese beetles this year, so I picked a bouquet of French Romantica roses, which lasts longer (up to 5 days) than Austin roses. Below blue are Poseidon (continuous bloomer even in high heat above 90 F), dark pink is Dee-lish, salmon is Sweet Mademoiselle, light pink is Princess Charlene de Monaco, and yellow is Moonlight Romantica:


    Below is James Galway in its 2nd flush, blooms are larger on this August 4, 2022:


    Augusta Luis (right bi-color) lasts 5+ days in the vase, much longer than red Munstead Wood on left, and upper pink Evelyn:


    Antique Rose Emporium's Prairieville Prince (upper pink) lasts long the vase with myrrh scent. Most powerful scents are dark-pink Yolande d'Aargon and red Firefighter (both can perfume the entire room with just one bloom):


  • 3 years ago

    I've missed you! I'm glad you're back. :) :) And it's good to know you were busy and weren't having problems. :)


    What beautiful bouquets!!! My faves are your Sweet Mademoiselle (oh my!!) and your Moonlight Romantica!! James Galway is wonderful for you!! I guess I'm a sucker for the big blooms because your Prairieville Prince is incredible to me! Although your Yolande may be the most scrumptious!! I really enjoyed that...thank you!!

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  • 3 years ago

    This year, the two bouquets I've made that really impressed me were a vase of just Twilight Glow, and a recent vase of Strawberry Hill with Laguna. You know how, if you cut lots of flowers for the house, some bouquets are pretty and some are so amazing that you just stop and swoon ever them whenever you pass by? So for me, these two were swoon-worthy. Strawberry Hill lasts just a few days, but is fragrant and opens up into large, blousey peony-like blooms that fade to shell pink, while Laguna lasts longer and is much more saturated and densely petal-packed, also smaller. Twilight Glow was endless ruffles and a gorgeous color.


    Day 1

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    Day 4


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    Magpie: just saw your bouquets, they are so pretty with many petals. Thanks.

    Carol: I take pics. of my bouquets to entertain you. Below is a bouquet taken this early August. Left upper left is Firefighter (more petals after I worked in dolomitic lime). Right red is Munstead Wood. Lavender is James Galway, bright orange is Summer Sun, and right lowest pink is Sonia Rykiel (top 5 scents among my 150+ fragrant own-root roses).

    Firefighter is #1 for strong scent, one bloom can perfume the entire room. Lowest pink is Prairieville Prince from Antique Roses Emporium (last twice longer than Austins):



  • 3 years ago

    Magpie - Your Day 4 picture of Twilight Glow is incredible!! I would swoon over those too! :) :) Good job, Magpie!


    Lovely, Straw!! So your Firefighter is doing really well (finally, like my Augusta Luise...finally) in the air pots! :) Thank you for showing pictures...you're so right...I really love seeing them!! :) :) My faves are that scrumptious James Galway and your big, bold Firefighter! Oh my, that James Galway!!! It's a pretty tall rose, right?

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    James Galway gets over 20 feet tall in late fall as 7th-year-own-root in my zone 5a.

    James' Blooms has amazing carnation scent when aged in the vase. It lasts 5+ days in the vase.

    Below bouquet was taken mid-July, showing pink Comte de Chambord, and bright-red L.D. Braithwaite at center (lasts long in the vase, but not much scent). Left yellow is Golden Celebration (form is bad in hot & dry). Dark reds are W.S. 2000, it's a continuous bloomer as 12th-year-own-root.

    Lavender Crush is good for the vase, it used to be deep ugly purple, I don't like the color so I dug out the top 1 foot of clay and mixed pelletized lime to soften the color, and it has been 100% healthy with zero blackspots, plus the color is lighter & prettier:

    Below pic. showing Lavender Crush with zero blackspots as 7th-year grafted-on-Dr.Huey. Pic. taken this August 11, 2022. It's over 5 feet tall and blooms at the top:



  • 3 years ago

    @strawchicago z5, what sort of repeat do you get with James Galway? Is yours in part shade? I would love to see a bush shot of yours as Ive considered it for a friends He-shed for a while now. Is it truly low-thornn? Thanks for any advice you can share on this rose. I cant get over how great your Lavender Crush looks. Both of mine at two different places are duds. I need to give them a little TLC, I guess.

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    James Galway has a massive spring flush, and a lesser 2nd flush, and much less in 3rd flush on top of super-tall canes.

    Below is James in spring flush in 4 hours of morning sun, mine is 7th-year own-root:


    Below is James Galway's 2nd flush: less blooms but blooms are much larger:

    James does give 3rd flush, but it's on SUPER TALL canes, and I can't take pic. of it.

  • 3 years ago

    Very beautiful. Thank you. Are his canes at all flexible? Do you think if I could train them horizontally that he would put out some blooming laterals?

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    His canes are stiff and doesn't put out laterals even when I don't support him and he flops down. His growth is always a few stiff & tall canes like a column, and it's the same growth habit that Pakistan rosarians post in their zone 9b (bloom on top).

  • 3 years ago

    Best bloomers in September are Mary Magdalene, W.S. 2000, Well Being, Munstead Wood, About Face, Dee-lish, Sweet M., Tchaikosky, Savannah, and Princess Charlene de Monaco. Below Munstead Wood blooms are huge in Sept. almost 4" across. Yellow is Well-Being, white is Mary Magdalene, and pink is Evelyn:


    Below late August bouquet: lots of Princess Charlene de Monaco, yellow Moonlight Romantica, big pink is Savannah (very nice scent), and gaudy orange is Solitude (scent is mild fruity):


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    2024 bouquets. Below was taken in July with Annie L. McDowell cluster in upper top. Baronne de Rothschild is winter hardy and lasts long in the vase, scent is strong sometimes. Yellow is Strike it Rich, and lowest light pink is Savannah (scent is wonderful always)


    Evelyn is a constant bloomer, giving weekly cut blooms for July and August (2nd flush). Upper pinks are Evelyn, lower lighter pinks are aged Evelyns in the vase (lasting up to 5 days). Upper yellow is Golden Celebration, and deeper yellows are Strike it Rich.


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    Beautiful bouquet, Straw!! I especially like the bottom one. I've always thought that I enjoy a mixture of colors on a bouquet...but after seeing so many of your bouquets where the colors are playing nicely...I like them better. Who knew? lol

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    rosecanadian I used to like gaudy mix-up with sharp contrasting colors since my alkaline tap water fades roses' color. Now I lean toward blends of similar colors to enhance Evelyn's fading color in the vase.

    I like to pair below pinkish Evelyn with yellow like Golden Celebration, Evelyn smells like sweet Danish pastry with peach jam, and Golden Celebration smells like cupcakes from the oven. YUM ... they both take away my need for sweets:


    My 2nd favorite favorite pairing is white with red (Mary Magdalene and Munstead Wood):

    Another favorite pairing is peachy Evelyns with red Sandy Hook (Yves Piaget offspring that's grown from seeds in my zone 5).


    Funny how I used to dislike reds and purples when I first got into Austin roses, like canceling my order of The Prince back in 2012 to get light pink Scepter'd Isle instead.

    Now I prefer reds and purples since colors don't fade and less Japanese Beetles infestation. 100% thornless Sandy Hook is my new favorite red in the vase with red wine and grape juice scent.

    Below reddish pink is Sandy Hook. Upper orange is Queen Nerfetiti and upper orangish-yellow is Well-Being (from LongAgoRoses). Right pinks in buds are Evelyn. Left pink is Princess Charlene de Monaco:


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    I sure love those Sandy Hook blooms. Wonderful!! I'm like the mix of colors of the bottom picture the best. Mmmmm :) :)



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    Thank God we have tons of rain this August and cool weather in the 70's which help to break down minerals for deeper color and more petals. Below pic. was taken this Sat., August 17, 2024. The left cluster is Perfume Breeze, blue is Poseidon, upper pink is Princess Charlene de Monaco. Dark red below it is Sandy Hook rose (100% thornless Yves Piaget seedling), light pink is Evelyn. Left lowest red is The Dark Lady. Right reds are Munstead Wood.

    My daughter loves right pink Savannah flat bloom. Upper pink is Sweet Mademoiselle:

    Below is another view of the 1st bouquet, showing left pink Evelyn (old rose and sweet peaches scent) and right pink Princess Charlene de Monaco (pear nectar)


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    Straw - my goodness, what a bounty of roses!!! Right now, my light colored roses are covered in thrips and their markings. A lot of my roses aren't doing much. But Pink Peace has 11 HUGE buds about to pop open. What a rose!! My favorite of your roses is your PCdM!! I have that one as an own root rose and it's done basically nothing so far.

    Beautiful, Straw!!

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    rosecanadian Yes, Pink Peace was a constant bloomer for me both as own root and grafted-on-Dr.Huey. I miss Pink Peace as cut blooms with its unique butter cream frosting scent. I like Pink Peace's scent below more than red Firefighter and pink Liv Tyler. Pink Peace is NOT hardy in my zone 5, died after a few winters.


    My own-root PCdM took a long time before it bloomed back in 2019 .. that rose needs ungodly amount of calcium & potassium for its being tall.

    I put 20 lbs. of gypsum in its planting hole, plus constant watering with sulfate of potash, plus topping it with biochar (burnt from 2 HUGE bags of rose-canes).

    Roses with lots of petals and super tall like PCdM is best in fertile heavy clay, or a big pot premixed with gypsum and topped with Tomato-Tone granular fertilizer (high in calcium and potassium).

    Below is PCdM fertilized with 1 gallon of biochar (produced from at least 4 gallons of solid wood). Web info: you will need about 4.4 lb (2 kg) of biomass to produce 1.1 lb (0.5 kg) of biochar.


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    Straw - that's too bad that Pink Peace isn't hardy for you. I'll post pics here when mine blooms. Yours was beautiful!! Wow!!! I'm amazed by your PCdM!!! What a bloomer!!! You did well!!! :) :)

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    Carol - since Palatine's 2025 is the LAST year for selling roses. What are the roses you recommend folks to get from Palatine with good scent & long-lasting blooms?

    Below left 2 light pinks are Eustacia Vye (scent gone in the vase, lasts only 3 days). Right peachy pinks are Evelyn (peachy and rose scent is sweet forever in the vase, and lasts up to 5 days even when fade to white). Evelyn is MUCH HEALTHIER than Eustacia Vye, and gives more blooms:

    I have so many rabbits in my garden that I won't grow roses to feed or entertain them, I cut blooms inside the house for that reason. Scent and long-lasting in the vase is my top priority. Below are bouquets picked in August, with Savannah (pink bloom) and Sweet Mademoiselle, yellow Strike it Rich, and James Galway giving the most blooms:


    Royal Jubilee is a bouqet on the bush itself, but I don't cut for the vase, it wafts 5 feet away with amazing rose & fruity scent.


    I plan to get Augusta Luis (grafted on multiflora) if Palatine sells it, my own-root August Luis is SO SHORT in my zone 5 winter.


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    Teresa - Really? It's Palatine's last year for selling roses?? I didn't know that. Darn. and Double Darn. I'm not sure what their new list will be, but from their old list, Rosemantic Fuchsia is a great bloomer. I also recommend Sweet Delight...fabulous fragrance!! About your roses....I hadn't realized that Eustacia Vye has such big blooms!! Gosh, Evelyn and EV look beautiful together!!! Oh my!!! I love your James Galway!!! I hadn't realized that your main focus is to grow roses for the vase. I'm exactly the opposite. lol Rotten rabbits!! Oh, dear...I've bought quite a few own root roses to see if they do better for me...if a cane has to be cut off, my grafted roses get very few new canes...but I was thinking own root roses would do better. But then again, my garage temps don't get lower than 4C/39F. I hope I didn't shoot my foot off by buying so many own root roses. Ugh. I don't think that Palatine will have Augusta Luise since they haven't for the past few years. I'm really sorry about Palatine's closing...they've been my go to rose place for many, many years.

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    Here's my Pink Peace which I think would be great for cutting





    Perfume Factory




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    Awesome roses Straw!

    And like that pink peace Carol!

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    rosecanadian Your Pink Peace is the best ever: so many petals !! How do you like Pink Peace compared to your Grand Dame? THANK YOU for the tip on best fragrant roses from Palatine: Rosemantic Fuchsia and Sweet Delight. The purple & deep pink colors love dry & hot weather of August. Below is Wise Portia in August (scent is gone in hot & dry, but intense scent in cold fall):


    Below August bouquet shows what bloom best: orange is Pat Austin, purplish pink is Wise Portia, blue is Poseidon, and yellow is Golden Celebration (continous bloomer as 13th-year-own-root, but one or two bloom max at a time). Pinkish bud is Sweet Mademoiselle (best bloomer now in August heat):


    Munstead Wood (right red) and Firefighter (left red) bloom well in August. Lowest left is Climbing America (stingy), and pinks are Prairieville Prince (myrrh scent):


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    Thanks, Jim...Pink Peace is a rose I always want to have. :)


    Straw - thanks!!! I love Pink Peace, but, so far, I only like Grande Dame. Pink Peace blooms are a lot bigger, have more interesting petals, better fragrance, and the blooms don't flop over. Grande Dame will probably get better as time goes on. You're welcome...I hope you can get those roses if you want them. Your Pat Austin bloom is HUGE...I had no idea they could get that large!! Golden Celebration...I love that intense color!! I've never heard of Prairieville Prince...those blooms are wonderful!! :) :)

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    Nice roses Straw! Always so perfect looking... :-)

    I'm liking my True Sincerity blooms... All different shapes & colors... :-)



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    I love that rose gym JIM ! How is the rest of it and health?

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    Oh, True Sincerity...I do love your bloom SO much!!!

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    jim1961 Central Pennsylvania Zone 6b Your True Sincerity is the most exotic & gorgeous bloom (prettier than any orchid). It's a gem.

    rosecanadian Thank you for the info. comparing your Pink Peace with Grand Dame. I love Pink Peace scent, no other rose can match its delicious buttercream frosting fragrance. YUM.

    Below pics were taken earlier this August (end of 2nd flush), to compare Evelyn to Abraham Darby blooms in hot August. Evelyn is more vigorous as own root, and Evelyn smells WAY BETTER. Evelyn smells wonderful like old rose and sweet peaches (even in hot & dry), versus Abe. stinks up in the vase like sharp grapefruit and rotten melon.

    Below Evelyn with more petals at 100, note that the OUTER petals of Evelyn is lighter (Noseometer was the 1st one to notice such):


    Below pic. shows more of the LIGHTER outer petals of Evelyn:


    The lighter outer petals of Evelyn is also noticeable in below large bloom. But Princess Charlene de Monaco can become less petals & whitish (behind Evelyn), plus PcDM blooms in a cluster of 3 to 4 buds, so the bloom is smaller.


    Below is Evelyn bloom in early August: Note the LIGHTER outer petals, more petals at 100, plus less exposed stamens with intense old rose and sweet peaches scent:


    Below left is Princess Charles de Monaco bloom to compare with right 3 Abraham Darby blooms: Note more exposed stamens in Abraham, plus LESS petals at 70 as stated in David Austin handbook:


    Below 1st blooms of Abraham Darby gallon-size rooting shows the typical form of Abe: more ruffled & disorganized and crinkled petals, plus MORE exposed stamens. Evelyn can be buttonhole in hot & dry, but Abe. never have the buttonhole form, plus LESS petals at 70.


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    Straw - you're welcome! :) :) Really, more vigorous as own root? I thought that grafted was always more vigorous. Good to know, as I have some own root roses now. Nice comparison of the roses. :) :) My goodness, your Evelyns are gorgeous...my favorite one is the 2nd picture you posted. Wowza!!! Such beauties!!

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    Straw, I love all those pictures! Its not too popular a rose but Typhoo Tea is a great smeller, its the tall one next to rose de rescht.



    which is easy to grow in our area, also Lemon Spice and Bela'roma are heavy hitters. Both survive our winter fine. (Im in Elgin). If you want something fragrant and no spray I would recommend sweet fragrance, pictured below.


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    Al - I've been wanting to get Lemon Spice and Bella'roma for a long time. :) Nice to know that they're good roses. Your picture of your Typhoo Tea is remarkably beautiful!

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    Al Mitchell zone 5b (ameri2nal) Your Sweet Fragrance is AMAZING, so many blooms. Still kick myself for NOT getting it at Menards in Batavia, IL (I'm 1/2 hour from your Elgin). Back then I could only detect a slight scent in Sweet Fragrance (in a pot at Menards) so I didn't buy it.

    I need tall roses like your Typhoo Tea. Rabbits here eat the short roses like Noble Antony, W.S. 2000, Annie L. McDowell (these 3 have the best scents among my 160 fragrant roses), but rabbits don't eat Peter Mayle (roots easily .. I rooted 6 of them this year and don't know what to do with so many Peter Mayle).

    Carol: I want Lemon Spice and I'm thankful for Al's informing that Lemon Spice and Bela'roma are heavy hitters and survive our zone 5 winter.

    Al: I bought Peter Mayle (dark pink) below in 2019 thanks to your recommendation. It's my most winter-hardy, along with Evelyn, Radio Times, Dee-lish, Sweet Mademoiselle, and Moonlight Romantica. Below Dark Pink is Peter Mayle, lighter pinks are Dee-lish:


    Below light blue are Poseidon (constant bloomer as 10th-year-own root). Light yellow is Tchaikosky (very winter hardy and 100% healthy for the past decade):


    Below large deep pink is Peter Mayle (smells amazing of rose and eucalytus). Many petals pink is Evelyn (from a cluster of many buds). Gaudy orange is Solitute (own-root from Roses Unlimited):


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    Wow! I had forgotten how big Peter Mayle blooms get! I also love your Evelyn. :) :)

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    Yeah, I would call Sweet Fragrance moderate scented. But its other qualities make it worth growing the scent is a bonus.

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    Straw- I Love those pictures! I think I got Typhoo Tea from Roses Unlimited. Beware, every bug in the world wants to eat those blooms. Bel'aroma doesnt photgraph well, i think thats why its not too popular. Its one of the best roses to grow around here in my opinion. Intense fragrance big sturdy long stems, big flowers, long lasting in the vase. Super thorny canes though. Im not sure why its so hard to find. Maybe it doesnt do well in other parts of the country, I dont know. Its hard to root, I'll say that. Ive tried to clone it with zero success. Im glad you like Peter Mayle! Even though he's pink, I like him too. How's the fragrance on Solitude? I love oranges and orange blends. Re Sweet Fragrance- I would rate its fragrance as mild to moderate. I grow it because its winter hardy enough, super healthy, has upright growth, shiny deep green leaves, rapid rebloom, and can truly be grown successfully in my garden without chemicals. I think its the perfect first rose for a newby to grow and have given away several to Rose Virgins with great success. I dont know if Ive mentioned Sharifa Asma. That's super winter hardy and intensely fragrant. Alas- its pink too, lol.

    Rose Canadian- Im a big fan of Typhoo Tea, although I only grow 2 of them, I should add more. If you like fragrance, you'll like Typhoo Tea. I believe its a cross of Fragrant Cloud and something else.

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    Al Mitchell...hmf says that Typhoo Tea is a tall rose...probably too tall to grow well in my pots. It also says that it's a cross of Fragrant Cloud X Arthur Bell. :)

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    Al Mitchell zone 5b (ameri2nal) I love oranges too. Solitude stinks at first, but improved to fruity scent. Tree roots invaded it and killed it, so I got 2 HUGE Norway Spruce trees chopped down. I don't think I grow that again, Tropicana was more cold-hardy and vigorous.

    I love About Face (very tall grandiflora), the color is very orange now as 8th-year-own root, here's a bush shot of About Face when it was more yellowish. Nicer fruity scent than Solitude:


    Below is About Face on far right, Solitude is deepest orange (lowest). Left orange is Carding Mill.


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    Straw - your About Face looks great!! I tried to grow that a couple of times...it didn't like me. lol My favorite rose is your Solitude!! Beautiful!!!

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    rosecanadian Carol: vigorous roses like Evelyn (4 feet if I don't hard-prune it), About Face (6 feet tall as own root), or Dee-lish (6 feet tall), or Sweet Mademoiselle (7 feet tall), or Princess Charlene de Monaco (7 feet tall) are best as own root.

    The HARDER I prune these vigorous OWN ROOT roses, the better they bloom. I pruned all of them down to 1 foot end of March, and down to 1.5 feet after each flush, otherwise they get too tall & stingy.

    Evelyn is a CONTINUOUS bloomer that way: 100+ blooms for 1st flush, 40+ blooms for 2nd flush, and 30 blooms for 3rd flush.

    I get WEEKLY cut blooms with Evelyn and the vigorous roses. Below are my bouquets picked in September: the many petals light pinks are Evelyn, dark pink is Peter Mayle, and dark reds are Munstead Wood. Double Delight has a decent fall flush too.


    Below top red is The Dark Lady (best blooms are in cold fall), upper salmons are Sweet Mademoiselles, light pinks are Perfume de Paris (honeysuckle scent), and light yellows are Tchaikosky (best blooms are in cooler Sept.):

    Below About Face (orange) and dark-red Munstead wood and Evelyn & Poseidon are the best bloomers in early September. Bright red is Veteran's Honor (smells like cherry, YUM).


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    Straw - interesting about the own root roses. I'm still not sure if I did well by ordering from Heirloom and getting own root roses. Hopefully they'll do much better next year. Some of them are starting to do better. My PCdM is on multiflora. It's new this year.



    I can't imagine getting 100 blooms for the whole summer, let alone one flush. lol My goodness, your Evelyns are wonderful, they really make that picture shine! Ooh...I really love the colors in the 2nd bouquet!!!! And you know which bloom makes me salivate...The Dark Lady. :) :)...and also your Poseidon!! Wonderful!! What is the pink bloom at the top of your last picture? I love that one too!

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