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A Noob's Story (pics)

16 years ago

Forgive what will inevitably be a wall of text. I posted a few times when I was first starting out with seeds, but have basically been sitting back and absorbing the collected wisdom of all the seasoned growers here. I just wanted to do a rundown of what I've done so far with some pics to help illustrate.

THE STORY SO FAR...

I started out by doing a lot of reading on here and some other sites before picking out what cultivars I wanted to try for my first time out. I ended up settling on a mixed bag of tomatoes that had received favorable reviews. Being new I really wanted to run the spectrum and get a feel for what I liked flavor-wise. I settled on Brandywine, Cherokee Chocolate, Lillian's Yellow, Aunt Ruby's German Green, and Stupice (just to see if it's the tomato machine it's been hyped up to be). I could only find Ferry-Morse Brandywine seeds at any of the stores I checked. I snagged a pack, and put in an order for the others. Being impatient, I planted every single Brandywine seed in the pack. A week later, I had these guys.

2 weeks later I got the remaining seeds and started them in the remaining peat pots (along with some squash and zucchini). Now, after reading the forums I ran out and picked up some grow lights and kept them 2 inches above the seedlings as directed. When their true leaves emerged, I potted up to 18 ounch cups with drain holes cut in the bottom, pictured here:

I didn't have the heart to thin the peat pellets (seemed like a waste!), so I just separated the plants and gave everyone a cup of their own. Again, they went under the lights. I actually ran out of room under the grow lights, and I had four plants with no place to go... so I just tossed them out on my back porch and completely ignored them. They were my "outside experiment". A few weeks pass and I start to worry. The plants under the lights are going nowhere. They just seem to be in stasis. At first I think it's because I make the mistake of not turning out the lights at night, which was something I asked about here. I was told they grow when the lights are out. I figured I had stunted their growth, so I immediately put them in a timer that gave them 8 hours of dark per day. Still, the growth is EXTREMELY slow. I checked on my outside experiment and they absolutely exploded! They had huge, broad leaves and were much darker green than their indoors counterparts. Apparently copious amounts of Georgia sunshine > my grow lights. By far. I build an impromptu brick platform on my patio to keep them from blowing over while allowing them to drain properly, and everyone goes outside! After a couple of weeks, they all look great!

Now it's time for me to get my garden ready. Let me say this... had I known what I would go through setting up a new garden there is NO WAY I would've started out this big. But being clueless about the job I was signing up for, I lay out a 30'x9' garden. I then set out to till it with a tiller/cultivator attachment I bought for my weed eater. Now, I give the tiller setup credit... it chewed through hard Georgia clay, thick Bermuda grass (which I lacked the foresight to kill first), and countless fist-sized chunks of solid granite. However, the time and back-breaking effort it took me to till 3 solid rows... probably not worth it. There was so much granite in that soil, that after being thoroughly tilled it sparkled like you'd dumped glitter all over it. I think I pulled out the equivalent of Stone Mountain in rocks. One encouraging thing was, while I was tilling, I noticed TONS of big fat earthworms in the soil. That's good, right?

Mid-May I decide they're big enough to plant out. I also find a Sweet 100 at Home Depot that looks really healthy, and pick it up after checking reviews, which were very positive. I tried rooting a sucker from the Sweet 100 and, to my surprise, it sprouted roots very quickly, and when potted up it caught up to the other plants in no time!

I end up planting several Brandywine, 3 squash, 2 zucchini, and one each of the other tomatoes. I stripped them of all but their top leaves, and buried them deep with a little lime and a handful of MG potting mix to help get them started. Finally, this weekend I got around to planting out the rest. The grand total was 43 plants with the breakdown being: 4 Stupice, 2 Aunt Ruby's German Green, 2 Cherokee Chocolate, 3 Lillian's Yellow, 2 Sweet 100, 3 squash, 2 zucchini, and... uh... 25 Brandywine. Here's all of them in one pic I took yesterday:

Sweet 100 has set the first fruit of all my plants:

Brandywine on the right, squash and zucchini on the left:

Aunt Ruby's on the right, Lillian's on the left:

Not tomato-related... but here's some squash action!

WHERE I AM NOW

I still have plenty of work left to do. As you can see, I haven't put in the garden border yet. I'll get around to it... eventually. :) I also need to mulch. I'm going to let the guys I planted this weekend get off the ground a little more before I do that though. Finally I need a support system. I bought some nice metal conduit pipe and I drilled holes in it and I'm planning on doing the "Florida weave" with my plants.

I have some MG tomato fertilizer I gave the plants after being in the ground for a week. We'll see how that turns out.

As for the plants, the Sweet 100 is loading up with fruit as you can see. The Brandywines I planted out mid-May are starting to produce clusters of buds. Hopefully they'll set fruit before it gets too hot. Stupice, though it's easily the smallest of the plants so far, is starting to cover itself in buds too. I'm expecting an explosion of yellow in my garden in the coming weeks.

WHAT I'VE LEARNED

I guess my noobishness prompted me to overplant the Brandywine since I wasn't sure what germination rate would be (100% - yay). Part of it was impatience and not wanting to lose the 2 weeks it would take for the seeds I'd ordered to ship. Next year I'll try to get a more even mix, and focus on cultivars that do well this year.

I don't know if it's the grow lights or what, but setting the plants on my patio seemed much more effective at getting them ready to plant out.

9'x30' is not "starting small".

Slugs are annoying, but easily dealt with.

Big (1-1.5 gallon) plastic watering cans are really hard to find, for some reason.

Touching a cherry tomato = a cherry tomato on the ground. :(

I wish I'd sought out Sudduth strain Brandywine, but supposedly there's a chance that the generic labelled Brandywine are Sudduth? Regardless, they seem to be doing well so far.

THE END - FOR NOW

If you made it this far, I'm impressed. I just wanted to post my experience as a first timer. I'll follow this up with any significant developments and pictures of my progress. Any comments, criticisms, or suggestions are absolutely welcomed. Thanks for reading!

Comments (15)

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Very nice reading! You are doing a great job. Would help you in the years to come to keep a weekly journal, since you are a good writer/storyteller.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I liked the story, too. How do you get rid of slugs and how much are you watering them? (Fellow newbie)

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I used Ortho Ecosense Slug and Snail Killer and haven't seen any more damage on my squash since I set it out. I pruned off the damaged leaves to be sure I could detect any new damage.

    Initially I didn't have to water at all due to heavy rain, but I let the soaker run once this weekend when the tomatoes wilted slightly (it was a hot and sunny weekend). I don't know if it's advised, but I always watered the newly transplanted tomatoes immediately after putting them in the ground.

    That reminds me of another thing I learned. Wait for a stretch of several dry days before trying to till the soil at all. The difference between tilling mid-May when it was always very damp and tilling this weekend when it was bone dry was incredible.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Great post. I loved reading it. I am so impressed with your garden. It is almost 3 times the size of mine.

    I am a noob also and hope to grow from seed next year.

    Here is my blog. I am mostly growing tomatoes, melons, zucchini. I have trouble posting pics on here from blackberry.

    Here is a link that might be useful: noob gardening blog

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    You are doing great for a NOOB! :)

    The taste of Brandywine will make it all seem worthwhile...!

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    This was a very enjoyable read. Thanks for taking the time to share what you've learned. I'm a nooby to tomato growing this year and it's great to peek over someone else's fence to see how things are growing.
    Looks like you're doing everything right!

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    When your Stupice machine gets into high gear (as mine did this year) here's something to try. I discovered that Stupice, OK on flavor raw, become absolutely superb cooked. Hot Stupice juice, lightly salted, is to die for! Cold ain't so bad either.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Thanks for the kind words, guys. I still have more than ample time to botch things, though! Of course, that's half the reason I planned so big in the first place. I can't kill them all can I?

    azruss - Thanks for the suggestion! I absolutely love tomato sauces and it sounds like Stupice will give me a plentiful supply! A little vodka, cream, and red pepper flakes and that Stupice will really start to sing! :)

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Regarding your grow lights.... I assume you are using flourescents with the proper spectrum? The seedlings look a bit stretched out, like they are receiving inadequate lighting.

    I normally keep my lights one half to one quarter of an inch from the plants tops. I also stand flat white cardboard reflectors on either side of the lights so that no light escapes the sides. I leave the ends open for ventilation.
    I run the lights 24 hrs a day and also put the seedlings outside in the sushine when I have the time. Works great for me.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Yeah, it was a fluorescent light that was labeled as being for plants (don't recall the brand off the top of my head). I used books to keep the light 2 inches above the plants, but I didn't have any form of reflection going on, which may have been the problem. They were just on a shelf in my garage. I may build a more suitable lighting system for next year.

    That reminds me of something my grandfather encountered. He's growing sunflowers next to a white painted fence and they never turn to face the sun. They just face the fence all day - I guess it's not worth the effort!

    Anyways, one thought I had was - is having leggy seedlings desirable? If you're going to pot them up, you'll be burying them up to the leaves. Then roots will sprout from the buried stem. Wouldn't leggy seedlings = more surface area for roots to sprout from, yielding a superior root system? Then once potted up you could focus on building a stocky stem. Just a random thought.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Great job! I too am a newb (that's how we spell it in Massachusetts :) ), and my eyes were also bigger than my garden bed. I had to hire two guys and I worked along side them for three hours turning part of our lawn into a second tomato bed. No granite though - I guess I got off easy!

    I think you showed great restraint in varieties - I have 18 varieties among 28 plants (22 in the ground, 6 in containers). So only a handful I even have two plants per variety - mostly it's just one plant per variety. I just had to try them all!

    As for the legginess... I think trying for the least amount of leg will still always yield you enough leg to bury some for extra roots, and if not, you can always strip off the cotelydons and even the first set of true leaves.

    What you said about lights vs. sunshine confirms what the experts told me on this site - sunshine is several orders of magnitude stronger than even plant fluorescents. I only wish I could put a plant outside in March or April - they would croak here in New England.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    A great looking new garden - best of luck to you. I agree with cleo88 that here in New England plants cannot be tossed outside in March or April, but they can endure a coldframe environment in April if you bring them in at night to guard against freezing temps. A coldframe can be a nice alternative to all the fuss and bother (seems to me like it would be anyways) of lights and hardening off. It's just simpler in some ways because you are going directly to the power of the sun with your new seedlings. Food for thought. Enjoy your season!

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    TWO WEEKS LATER...

    Just a quick update with some pics. It's nice going out of town for a weekend since you are actually able to notice a little progress. Bonus points for that progress including lots of fruitset!

    BRANDYWINE FRUITSET. Yeah! Sure, it's only 3 visible out of 25 plants. But this is kinda why I planted 25 of them... I wanted to maximize my odds of being able to taste the legend. With all the blooms on the plants, I'm hoping for quite a few more.


    Stupice, the "youngest" of all my transplants has set more fruit than any of my OP varieties. Color me unsurprised.


    More Stupice.


    And finally, just as I was about to start transplanting my Genovese basil seedlings into a long SWC, some critter decided to see if there was buried treasure at the bottom of the clay pot. Fortunately I have more than enough for my purposes. Still, if I find out who did it, may God have mercy on them. Unless it was the chipmunk. He gets a free pass. Too... cute... can't... harm...

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I should add that I plan to test out the electric toothbrush method for increasing fruitset on my Brandywine.

    In order to attempt to meet the standard of scientific rigor that some would like to see (and which is frequently greatly lacking in many of the claims made here), I will attempt to have a control and an experimental group. I have 13 Brandywine that were started from seed on the same day, under the same conditions. They were potted up and transplanted on the same day. They are all heavily covered in blooms currently. I'll count the blooms per plant. I'll buzz all the blooms on every other plant and record rates of fruitset. Not perfect, but slightly better than, "I buzzed my plants this year and got way more tomatoes than last year!" :)

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Thanks for your story and update on your new garden. Looking good and you have the right to be very proud of it. By the way, its not only noobs who over seed at the beginning of the season. I'm ashamed to say how many tomatoes I started from seed so I won't. I did wind up giving away a tremendous number to friends and neighbors as well as killing off a few. Keep up the good work and have a happy harvest, or two or three or.........

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