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Hairline cracks in tile shower floor...

14 years ago

I have a walk in tile shower. The walls have the big tiles and the floor has the small tiles. The floor is grouted with sanded grout and the walls have unsanded grout. We bought the house 1 year ago and it was built 10 years ago.

When we bought the house I noticed in a few places on the floor it looked like they repaired some crack. I am not sure what they used, but it isn't grout. Not sure if it is some type of caulk or not.

But now I got down on my hands and knees and started looking closer. It looks like I can see some more hairline cracks in the sanded grout. They are so small that you would not be able to get any grout in the crack.

Would you guys suggest hiring someone to chisel out the grout and redo it? Or is there some sort of caulk/sealant you would recommend?

First let me give you some history on this shower.

1. When we bought it some of the wall grout was cracking. So I hired a guy to come and redo it. He did an awesome job. He also caulked where the tile walls meet the tile floor. But he didn't use silicone, he used whatever came with the grout.

2. After I had this done the walls on both sides of the shower looked like they were getting wet. So I cut out the drywall and stuck toilet paper in there. Sure enough water was getting out of the shower.

So to make sure it wasn't the pan that was leaking I blew up a balloon in the drain. Filled the shower up to the door threshold, measured the water level, and watched it for ~9hours. The water level never moved. So I assume the pan is working?????

Well it turned out to be the shower door. So I took it off and used a shower curtain. Leak is now gone.

So the big questions is since I think I tested the shower pan, should I be all set if some water does get through these hairline cracks in the floor grout???? I have no idea what type of pan they used though.

Comments (7)

  • 14 years ago

    I'm sure Bill or Mongo will describe this in much better detail than I can... but basically I think that you shouldn't worry. The waterproofing of the shower pan is underneath all the tile, grout and thinset. The grout isn't supposed to be waterproof. Natural stone, like marble, isn't waterproof either. Water gets though these porous materials and hits whatever waterproofing membrane was used when the shower pan was built, and flows down to holes in the drain apparatus. Our shower floor is a marble mosaic and some of the joints between the tiles are so tight there's no way they're 100% filled with grout, but I've been told that's fine since the grout isn't supposed to keep water out, anyway.

    This is my understanding, anyway, of the magical world of shower tile! Good work isolating the leak to the shower doors, by the way. Was water getting into the wall at the hardware/fasteners, or what?

  • 14 years ago

    Staceyneil, thanks for the reply. I actually called the tile guy that regrouted my walls. He basically said the same thing as you. That the pan should take care of any water getting through the grout. But since living in the house for a year I have found things that the builder either did wrong or he cut corners. So I was just worried about how he built the shower. So I really have no idea what he used to build the pan with.

    As for the shower door. Once more thing that I did after blowing up the balloon to test the pan was to put a shower curtain on the inside of the door. This way when I showered no water could hit the shower door. When I did this the toilet paper stopped getting wet. So that is how I knew it was related to the shower door.

    So I started looking at the shower door. Well sure enough the previous owner has caulked over the weep holes in the shower door. So I thought to myself, where is the water going that gets into the bottom door track?? The threshold that the door sat on was not tile, but one continous piece of corian. There was caulk on each side of the threshole where the corian met the tile wall. So when I took the door off there was a small hole in the caulk right where the bottom track of the door met the vertical track of the door that goes up the tile wall. There was also a small gap between the bottom track and the wall track of the door.

    So to make a long story short. I think what was happening was water was getting into the bottom track of the door, leaking through the small gap between the bottom track and wall track, through the small hole in the caulk, and then leaking into the drywall.

  • 14 years ago

    I'd be more curious about what's causing the grout to crack.

  • 14 years ago

    Bill, I did think about that. I imagine there is no way to find this out without ripping up the tile shower floor, right? Now everytime I shower I swear that when I step in certain spots I can fee the tiles moving. But I don't think they really are. I think I am just paranoid.

  • 14 years ago

    It's possible. When grout cracks, that suggests movement of one sort or another. Being that the shower pan's really not attached to the structure at all, except at the drain, it can't be from structural movement. I'd be worried about the mortar bed under the tile. If it wasn't mixed properly, or if not enough portland cement was used (or even if TOO much was used), it could be cracking, either from shrinkage (if too much) or powdering (if not enough, or if the mix was dry). One way or the other, I'd be concerned.

  • 14 years ago

    Bill,
    So what would you recommend doing? Having someone come up and rip up the shower floor to see what is going on? Can they do this without ripping up the walls of the shower? Or will they have to take off the first row of tiles on the wall. Problem is the house was built 10 years ago and we aren't the original owners and they didn't leave any extra tiles!!!

    Do you have any questions I could ask a tile contractor so I know that they know what the hell they are doing? Just want to do as much due diligance as I can so I don't get burned.

  • 14 years ago

    Try this-- get a butter knife, and take the butt end of the handle, and tap around the shower floor. If it sounds hollow or soft as you tap around, you might want to call someone in to look at it.