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Can we use pendant lights at the vanity if they are Damp listed?

16 years ago

I saw that code prohibits pendant lights if they're within 3 feet horizontal or 8 feet vertical from the tub rim or shower threshold. The vanity in our small-ish bath is within those limits. Can we use pendants if they are UL Damp/Wet location listed and GFCI protected?

Comments (6)

  • 16 years ago

    I just posted a similar question in the lighting forum. You'll see how confusing (or confused I was) the subject. Hope this helps

    Here is a link that might be useful: Lighting forum; damp rated light fixtures

  • 16 years ago

    Thanks, oly.
    I actually understand the wet/damp listing issue... but it's the pendant issue I am concerned about. pendants are specifically prohibited within that "damp zone" they were talking about. The edge of my vanity is less than 3 feet from the edge of the soaking tub. But my question is: if I find a pendant that IS Wet listed, will that trump the prohibition on pendants......

  • 16 years ago

    We're wrestling with a couple of different code references here. In general:

    1) You need at least one light in the bathroom that is controlled by a switch located at the entrance to the bathroom.

    2) Light fixtures within tub and shower spaces should be marked "suitable for damp/wet locations".

    3)Hanging fixtures cannot be located within a zone of 3Â horizontally and 8Â vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold.

    So just because a pendant fixture is "damp" rated and meets provision #2, it can't be installed within the tub/shower zone due to provision #3, which prohibits hanging fixtures.

    Provision #2 is so fixtures in damp/wet areas do not corrode and become electrical shock/fire hazards.

    Provision #3 is so that if someone is standing in the tub or in the shower and slips, they don't instinctively reach up and grab a low-hanging pendant fixture and pull it down into the water with them as they fall. Zap.

    Provisionally, Mongo

  • 16 years ago

    Thanks, Mongo. That was what I'd finally realized this morning. looks like there is no way that pendants are going to be "legal" (or at least code-compliant) in my layout.

    I think I've got all the other req's covered, though. 2 circuits: one is dedicated 20A receptacles. The other has all lighting, the radiant floor heating, and fan on it. I'm going to GFCI protect that whole circuit, I think, as well, since two of the lights on it -tub and shower recessed- need it. Don't see why not. Probably just with a GFCI breaker at the panel. Like this, except that the shower light is on the same (dimmer) switch as the other 3 recessed overheads, and the fan is on its own switch...

  • 16 years ago

    Believe it or not, it has something to do with preventing you from being able to stand in a bathtub of water and put a finger in a socket.

    Why they don't want to prevent you from holding one hand in a sink of water and sticking your finger in the vanity fixture is beyond me.

  • 16 years ago

    "Believe it or not, it has something to do with preventing you from being able to stand in a bathtub of water and put a finger in a socket."

    Or splashing water on a hot bulb and having it shatter, since very few pendant fixtures completely enclose the bulb.