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intro and zomg! We're redoing out kitchen!

14 years ago

I've been reading here long enough I finally made an honest netizen of myself and joined up. :) Helloooo, smart home design/improvement people! Thank you for the wisdom I've gotten from you thus far.

We're going to redo our kitchen this summer and I sort of can't believe I've actually reached the life stage where this is even an option. I guess I just wanted to get another dozen sets of eyes on what we're thinking because we are totaly nOObs at this.

Our house: Built 1930 and was tract housing at the time. 3br with a sort-

of-finished attic. Lots of orangey wood trim. Not arts and crafts, exactly, just a modest 1930 brick house with warm dark trim. Unfortunate additions include a 1960 kitchen that has reached the end of its life having already been extended as far as it can with MANY coats of paint; and some popcorn ceilings that we can't get to yet.

This is our inspiration kitchen as far as cabinets and general feel: http://www.aharchitecture.com/portfolio/detail.php?id=33 We would probably put a very light grey-sage on the walls where they have white. We are not changing the footprint but we are wanting to tear out the old water heater closet and put in a proper pantry. We are getting rid of the soffitt (sp?) and getting a new oven and dishwasher. Our refrigerator is fine.

Floor: Environmental concerns are important to us to the point of spurring us to spend a bit more than what would get us maximum return our investment on resale... so, we think we would like cork or linoleum, maybe with a light border and a subtle checkerboard in the middle.

Counters: I'm interested in Eco by Cosentino or Enviroglas (because we are in Oklahoma and they are as close as Texas... gotta include shipping distance in that eco-impact consideration). I think Eco would look better with the inspiration cabinets than would Enviroglas.

Sink: I HATE HATE HATE cleaning the scummy area that forms behind our current faucets that sprout up out of the counter, so I really want a wall-mount cast iron sink with an integrated backsplash and faucets that come out horizontally so there's no scum trap behind them. New farm-style wall mount sinks are pricey so I have been thinking about getting a cruddy antique one on Craigslist and having it resurfaced. I realize the contractor may not be willing to include this in the contract.

We need a new oven and dishwasher but we hzven't started thinking about that yet even though we are both serious cooks.

Budget: We paid $190K for a house in a neighborhood where it's a mix of updated and not-yet-updated homes, and even considering the recession our neighborhood is generally improving. Five or so years ago the nearby university put in a lot more student housing which meant that our neighborhood became more homeowner than renter. There's now a boutique hotel going in at the end of our block which, if it succeeds, will help make our area more walkable and trendy. The adjacent neighborhood was recently named the first runner up up-and-coming neighborhood in our city, and some houses are being listed for the $220s, although $250s don't sell. We plan to be here for at least six years. Soooo... between that and the fact that we're willing to pay a bit more for things that will last and not pollute, I am thinking $45K is a good figure for us.

Cost-saving ideas: Having a handy coworker come and haul away our old cabinets for her laundry room instead of hiring that out.... doing cleanup and wall painting ourselves after all else is done... buying an antique sink and having it resurfaced, even if that means working out the installation separately...

Is there anything else I've not thought of? Like, a million things, right? Sigh. I'm kinda terrified here.

Oh, and incidentally: I'm typing on an ipad touchscreen so please forgive the typos. I can't scroll up and check myself.

Comments (7)

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    You are going to have Fun! Be prepared. The money goes fast. I can't wait to see the sink. I love sink porn!

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Hhahahaha! I will promise to be very tasteful with my photography.

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Welcome! Your inspiration kitchen is beautiful! And you've given me a new website portfolio to check out and dream about! You might want to check out the Appliance Forum for your DW and oven. Use the search box at the bottom of the page because there have been lots of threads about DWs and ovens.

    I can't wait to see pics of the sink! I completely agree with you about the gunk around the faucet. I'm hoping I can get a wall mount but I don't think there's enough clearance between counter and window trim.

    Be sure to post your layout when you get a rough draft done as there are many people here who can give you great suggestions on ways to maximize your storage and make your space supremely functional. (I'm not really one of those people, but I always learn things to watch for when I read those threads!)

    Here is a link that might be useful: Appliance Forum

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Oooh, thank you! We're still meeting with kitchen designer/contractors and when we have a layout I will definitely post it. (Or did you mean our current layout?)

    I have realized I shall probably have to forego the farmhouse sink and integral backsplash because of the lack of space under our window. OH HOW I SUFFER! Heh, just kidding. Well, it was nice while it lasted.

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Welcome!

    Just have to say, you definitely do NOT want to "resurface" a kitchen sink. The product simply isn't built to stand up to the abuse. You can purchase some vintagey sinks with integrated backsplashes, or you can have a sink actually re-fired. However, this is not something your GC can do. The only place I've seen discussed online that does this is in the link below.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Place that's supposed to re-fire cast iron sinks

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    ...anything else I've not thought of?

    Don't forget about ventilation for your new range. In your inspiration pics (I'll direct link below) I notice they have a nice hood, and no OTR microwave. The MW is located on the shelf elsewhere, that's good. There are lots of posts about ventilation/exhaust on the Appliances forum. Here are some basics:

    - rough rule of thumb is 10 cfms per 1000 btu's. E.g., if you have 4 burners with each one at 15,000 btu's = 60K. You should have a 600 cfm hood.
    - ideally, the hood should be 6" wider than the range (i.e. 3" wider on each side). Many people can't fit this "ideal", so a hood the same width as your range is fine.
    - Try if you can to get a hood that is 24" deep front to back (many are 22" deep). Like my previous point, this would be the ideal. If a 24" deep hood does not fit the budget, the 22" depth is fine.
    - baffle filters are better than mesh filters, because mesh will clog quickly with grease and lose efficiency.
    - when installing ductwork for the hood, make sure it is 8" or 10" in diameter. Most hoods require at least 8". There are some hoods that are OK with 6" diameter duct, but they're harder to find. If your duct is too small for your hood, you will get increased noise and decreased efficiency.

    Regarding your sink, many people here have the apron front sink without the backsplash. Would look awesome in front of a window. There are so many threads about the apron front sink, I'll Link one below. The apron front sink comes in fireclay, stainless steel, and cast iron (the Kohler Dickinson sink). There have been some threads recently about problems with fireclay apron front sinks, though many adore theirs. Fireclay and cast iron will be more expensive (the Dickinson sink runs $1600), though Ikea has the Domsjo sink reasonably priced. Stainless apron front sink can be had for $350 and they're easier/cheaper to install.

    Introvert's Inspiration Pic

    Thread Farmhouse Sinks

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I have the sink you want. I got it from freecycle from someone who had had it in the bsmt for decades and it had not been used much. I had been hunting through ebay and CL for one like this, so when someone offered it out, I jumped. You could post a "want" if you are on freecycle. I'd include a picture of the type you are looking for. There also also architectural salvage places that could have what you are looking for. I am all about reusing when at all possible.

    I'd keep an eye on CL and ebay for appliances as well. We got our wall oven from CL, brand new, and saved a bundle. We also got our Chambers stove from CL for less than I had been seeing it anywhere else.

    Since you like repurposing, you can also shop for a demo kitchen from showrooms and try www.greendemolitions.com for similar. I know there are other sites like that all over the country. The Habitat for Humanity Restores are great resources.

    Good luck with your project!