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Plastic Taste from New Water Softener/Filter System

17 years ago

Hello. I have visited here a number of times since I bought my first house in May. I've gotten some great info! This is my first post. Hopefully I posted it in the right place.

My house previously had a whole house softening and carbon filter system. The prior owners ripped it out after I bought it in foreclosure. My insurer paid to replace the system. I just had it installed on 9/11/08.

The problem I am having is that now the water at the tap has a plastic flavor, kind of like a garden hose flavor but more "plasticky". It's kind of nasty--makes you open your mouth, smack your tongue and want to spit it out. I would rather have the overpowering chlorine flavor back.

The system is a Culligan Total Home Plus, single tank carbon and softening, based on the Platinum Plus Softener line; 14"x65" tank; 1 1/4" control valve; 24"x42" salt barrel. (The house is 3750 sq. ft with 4.5 baths, hence the large system.) I live in Orange County, CA and we have somewhat hard water here. IIRC, my tap rated 15 or 16 gpg when it was tested, a little higher on another occasion.

Needless to say, I am disappointed that a $3,000 system makes the water taste worse. I manually set the system to regenerate several times since it was installed in the hopes that it would flush the bad taste out. It still has this bad taste.

I called my salesman yesterday and he, of course, does not think it should have a plastic taste. He said that he'd never heard of this before.

Does anyone here have any idea of what the problem is? I presume that softeners/filters are not supposed to impart a plastic taste to the water, otherwise who would want one! I would greatly appreciate some insight on this problem. From past posts, I've seen some very experienced people here (about softeners) so I'm hopeful that someone knows something.

Thanks.

Comments (10)

  • 17 years ago

    I had one of my customers say the same thing after a new install. I don't know if it came from the glue and cleaner I used to connect the PVC pipe or the system itself. I installed a 10" filter housing with a CBC carbon filter after the system and she now loves her water. Maybe you could get the salesman to install this free of charge.

  • 17 years ago

    I don't have a whole house carbon filter but when we did change the carbon water filter on the fridge it tasted a bit plastic-y for a while and soon it went away.

    I have a KDF-85 filter in my softner tank and not carbon and never had any taste problem. Cost only $200 installed.
    http://www.qualitywatertreatment.com/media_guard_filters.htm

    $3000! wow. My system is for a much bigger house than yours and cost much less.

  • 17 years ago

    Well, it has a 1 1/4" control valve for 1 1/4" lines and that seemed to add a lot to the price--the ability to handle higher flow rates with a 1 1/4" valve. IIRC, going from a 1" valve system to a 1 1/4" system bumped the price from the $2k range to $3k.

    The 14x65" tank itself already is a combo softener and carbon filter. It's already got 18 pounds of carbon in it. I cannot believe that the water tastes this bad now.

    BTW, I called the company who installed the original system and who did most of the neighbors' houses when they were built in 2001. That company is Water Techniques (formerly Water by Design) and they quoted me $4,482 for a 1 1/4" system with a slightly smaller tank (12x52). Culligan was $1,137 cheaper and its tank was larger capacity. I don't know how much similar systems cost elsewhere, but they sure are expensive here. Those prices included 7.75% sales tax.

    In any event, I am very concerned about the bad taste. Anyone else have any thoughts about it?

  • 17 years ago

    Softeners with combination media (resin for softening and carbon for chlorine removal and taste) often do not do what the salesman say. Best to have a softener and a separate backwashing carbon filter if required to treat a specific problem.

    I'm wondering if you have sufficient water pressure and SFR (Service Flow Rate) to adequately backwash and regenerate the 14x65 resin tank you have.

    Regardless, get Culligan back there to make whatever adjustments or changes are necessary to provide you the water quality you expect and paid for. When Culligan can demonstrate that your water is zero hardness all the way until regeneration and passes your taste test then they're done. Simple as that.

  • 17 years ago

    I have really good water pressure here. The pressure coming in on the main is 110 psi (I know because my house is fire sprinklered and there's a gauge on it.). The main goes to a reducer at the front of the garage before it hits the internal plumbing. I forget the exact pressure coming out of the reducer but it was strong. I have 1 1/4" copper mains into and out of the softener/filter.

    I have Culligan coming out tomorrow to test it. I invited the salesman over to the house to taste the water, too. They say that they have no idea why it should have an off taste given the carbon filtration. We'll see what they say tomorrow.

  • 17 years ago

    Culligan sent out two technicians today (the second guy was experienced in the field, but new to Culligan, so he was on ride-along). They were both friendly.

    The main guy tasted the water, noted that it had a taste, and said that that was how soft water tasted. The other guy tasted it and he did not care for the flavor.

    On the one hand, they wondered whether the carbon in the tank needed to "settle in". But on the other hand, they said that the softener was removing magnesium/calcium and replacing it with sodium--and that carbon would not change that if this is simply the taste of the soft water.

    They asked me to keep the system in place for another week or two to see if the taste goes away. Culligan has a 30 day guarantee, so they will take the system out if it does not resolve. They also said that they would offer to swap the tank with a new one, before yanking it, if I remain dissatisfied.

    I still find it hard to believe that soft water is supposed to taste like this. I have to believe that I would have read or heard about it in my research and in my discussions with people who have softeners.

    So I guess I am in a holding pattern for the next week or two to see what happens.

  • 17 years ago

    The higher the hardness of the water the more sodium (or potassium) ions are exchanged for calciums and magnesium ions.

    Discerning pallets can taste the sodium (or potassium) but I've never heard that taste described as plasticy. 15 grains is considerable hardness but I doubt that the sodium (or potassium) is the taste you describe.

    Carbon doesn't need to "settle in". It removes chlorine and mitigates taste as soon as the water runs through it.

    As I stated, combination media as in resin and carbon rarely perform as the salesman say it will. A separate softener and a separate backwashing carbon filter works better.

    Have you asked your neighbors if they are softening their water and how it tastes? If you're on a municipal water system that has that much hardness chances are you won't need to go far in the neighborhood to find neighbors with softeners.

    Let Culligan know that you are counting the days till 30 and if they have not resolved the problem have they will remove the system and refund the total amount you have paid.

    Then you get to start from square one and find a local water treatment professional who will resolve the harness and taste problem.

  • 17 years ago

    sounds like resin is bad, there is bad batches that make it into the market every once in awhile. Bad resin well throw off color, odor or taste. Put the softener in bypass and see if the taste gets better. If it does then you know its the resin.

  • 3 years ago

    Little off topic, our softener is only for hot water. For drinking/cooking we use water from separate 7 stage RO system. If you have whole house plumbed for soft water, trace of salt will be in the water. Some articles about this out there.