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Re: True Story About 'Rare' Hypothyroidism in Dogs

18 years ago

This was posted at the Kitchen Table Forum back in the early spring of 2004.

It touched me so much that I copied it & saved it.

Although it's pretty long, I wanted to share it over here.

The "RCMP" referred to is the Royal Canadian Mounted Police;

Ben was a search & rescue dog.

He belonged to Ptuny, but he worked with the RCMP.

How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by Ptuny (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 10:03

My first post;

(What is important here is the time! Ben was about to travel to Dr. Daves with me to be euthanized, and I was waiting for my friend to pick me up when I read Sylvias post):

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If I have not been attentative to the posters here, please accept my apologies. My Ben is very ill, and I am in the process of accepting the fact that I will have to have him put down soon. He has been having violent seizures, (Up to 10 per hour), and the meds do not seem to be helping all that much!

Needless to say, I am despondent, but have accepted the inevitable.

The vet feels that he is comfortable now, and although the seizures are down to about one an hour, they are getting to be longer each time. I will miss my Ben, he has been a joy in my life that has been un-paralled to none, and I dont know how I am going to cope.

~~P'tuny

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I was waiting for my friend to come and pick us up so we could go to the vet to have Ben Euthanized, as I realized that all your comments were so kind

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In amongst all the wonderful posts that I received, I read this one from Sylvia Texas;

Posted by: sylviatexas (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 15:50

Check his thyroid at once.

Don't wait, don't let the vet argue with you.

Make them do it NOW.

In fact, if they say they have to send it off or something, make them give him thyroid hormone.

Thyroid can be a sudden onset thing, & vets don't think to check it.

(I sent you an email too).

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Posted by Ptuny (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 17:33

I posted this on my original thread, but felt that it warrented a post of it's own

'K all, thank-you so much for the wonderful wishes. I read Sylvia Texas' comment on the thyroid thing, called the Vet immeditely, he gasped, and said get him here right now!

I called the RCMP, and they took him in a cruiser to the Vet clinic 20 miles away. (You dont want to know how fast that trip was.Thank goodness for Bens bonding with them.)

Ben has now received a thyroid hormone, and the tests are being evaluated right now. So Maybe all will be okay! But I will not hold my hopes up 'till I hear an absolute comfirmation from Dr. Dave!

Ben is staying at the vet clinic tonight, as Dr. Dave wants to watch him carefully for the night!

~~P'tuny "

P/S

Being that Ben is often called to be a "Working Dog", The RCMP were able to help. For this I am so greatful, What goes around, comes around, and today these gratious Police officers have re-paid Ben in full

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Posted by Ptuny (My Page) on Fri, Mar 5, 04 at 18:59

I am sitting here crying my eyes out! Ben will be okay, his thyroid was the problem. Once Dr. Dave gets him all settled on meds, he will decide if surgery is an option!

I cannot believe that a wonderful woman way far away in Texas, whom I have never met saved my doggies life!

This is to much, and I thank all of you for your wonderful support! I really do not know how I can show my gratitude, other than by making a $500.00 donation to the Vet clinic, so someone less fortunate, that cannot afford help will get it for their pet.

Because Ben works with the RCMP, his medical costs will be covered by them.

Here is Ben, for those of you that have not seen a pic of him. He is a very large dog, X golden lab/Rottweiler. He has an unbelievable sense of smell, and has helped the RCMP find three people lost in the local area. When he sees a police car, he waits, as he thinks he's going for a ride!

This is Ben holding his basketball. He gets two a year, the new one he chases around the yard, and the old one (Deflated), he beats up on LOL.

Again, the POWER of the KT has spoken!

~~Who is literally jumping with joy

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Follow-Up Postings:

RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Marilyn_C (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 10:23

And, like I said in my original post...no telling how many dogs Sylvia has saved, because now the vet will think to look at thyroid problems under similar situations...and if this happens to one of our dogs, then we know to suggest that to the vet. So, I thank Sylvia too...from all of us.


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: nodakgal (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 10:35

P'Tuny, You must be on top of the world this morning! :)

I am so happy for you and dear Ben! Give that boy a hug from me!


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: ImaBusyBee (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 11:04

What a cool story...I will share that with others I know...


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: missmaggierock (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 11:05

I have shared this story with everyone I have talked to since yesterday afternoon!!! I think this is about the best thing I have heard in a long time!!!

Don't go to the doctor or the vet until you talk to the peeps at the KT!!!!!


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Diane_SWMich (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 11:18

This post moved me to tears! What a very happy ending! I am so thankful that Sylvia posted the thyroid info and you read it before leaving for the vets!

Di


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: imabest (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 11:19

Were so happy that you and Ben are ok!!

You made our day!!

And a big thank you to syliva~~~~~ Hugs for you all Imabest


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Cherryfizz (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 11:23

How wonderful for you Ptuny and Ben! Sylvia was in the right place at the right time. Angels do walk among us.

Anne


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Silverdove (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 12:13

What a great story. It brought tears to my eyes.


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Country_Bumpkin_AL (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 14:07

I am still amazed at this story and can't help thinking of the "what ifs"! What if 'Tuny hadn't checked the posts...again..."What if" Sylvia hadn't been here yesterday to respond. Simply put,it was MEANT for Sylvia to be here and it was MEANT for Petunia to check again and read Sylvia's post! I am so happy for Ben and Petunia!!! This story needs to be publish...somewhere!!!


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Wachusettgrad61 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 14:11

I am speechless. That is just wonderful. wow....Give that pooch a hug from me willya...??

Hugs,

WG61


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Kris_MI (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 15:44

Wonderful news. I'm so glad Ben is going to be okay!!!

Sylvia how fantastic you are!!

Kris


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: dollydolots (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 16:19

Isn't it wonderful the mysterious ways

that help comes when needed. Sylvia was one

one of these happenings. I am so glad

that P'Tuny has her Ben back.

Dollydolots


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Minnie_TX (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 16:36

I'm rejoicing with you too. It must have been the KT power that sent Sylvia to check the forum when she did. Congratulations to you both!!!


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Linda_Ohio_now_GA (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 04 at 19:57

Giving some special thanks for the mysterious ways this has all worked out to save Ben. And sending a special hug to Sylvia. ((((((( Sylvia))))))))

Years ago, we had a collie mix put down, due to seizures that medicine for epilepsy wasn't handling, and now this makes me wonder.


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Aunt_Tawny (My Page) on Sun, Mar 7, 04 at 8:34

Me too ...... Just put our pup to sleep less than two weeks ago because of cluster seizures....... How does one really know? I'm glad 'Tuny got her doggie back to health.... but now I wonder about our dog too.....


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: luv4pets (My Page) on Sun, Mar 7, 04 at 8:47

Great story and one all of us Kters will remember fondly. Ben is a lucky boy to have an owner like you Ptuny and a circle of friends like the Kt.

Angel~


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Charlee (My Page) on Mon, Mar 8, 04 at 17:11

Oh 'Tuny! I am sooooo happy for you and Ben!

I had to come looking for this post cause I was afraid to just ask outright.

Kt peeps are the best.

Charlee

ps give Ben a big squeeze and a kiss from me, ok?


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Judith (My Page) on Mon, Mar 8, 04 at 18:00

Wow! That is really amazing. This story does need to be published or put on TV or something. It could help a multitude of dogs all over the country if it were known. I, myself, had a 6 year old Cocker Spaniel put down several years ago because she started having siezures and didn't recover from the last one. Now I am wondering if it could have been thyroid. The vets don't think of it, at least mine didn't. He didn't know what was causing the siezures and thought it must be some kind of a congenital defect. This is just a wonderful outcome. Thank goodness you read the post BEFORE taking the dog to be euthanized. How awful it would have been to have seen it after. This is such a wonderful outcome. I am so happy it turned out this way for you and Ben and now maybe other dogs lives will be saved. Thank you Sylvia. Judith


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: sylviatexas (My Page) on Mon, Mar 8, 04 at 20:07

Judith, it scared me when Ptuny wrote that she had been waiting for her ride to the vet & decided to check the email one last time.

I had been getting ready to shut down the computer & leave, & I decided to check the KT just one last time.

(Then, of course, I stayed here pacing until she posted that it was thyroid & Ben was doing well.)

Four people have posted that they've lost dogs due to seizures whose causes were never diagnosed, leaving their mommas to grieve and to wonder.

One person said her dog's thyroid problem was diagnosed & treated, but only after 3 visits to the vet.

The reason I knew was because I lost a Golden to this.

Sunny began having seizures late one night, & was limp when I carried & dragged her (all 80 or so pounds of her) to my car to take her to the vet.

She kept having seizures, no matter what drugs he gave her.

So I went to another vet.

And another.

I had gotten her from Golden Rescue, so I called the Rescue representative, had had Goldens for years & who knew *everything* about them.

She called her vet.

Her vet called Texas A & M, our veterinary college.

They all ruled out thyroid because her thyroid had been checked only weeks before.

I've since learned that thyroid can be very sudden onset, & that certain breeds, including Goldens, are prone to thyroid disorder.

When the third vet called me to pick her up & take her home to die because they couldn't control the seizures, in desperation I called the vet I had gone to before I moved.

When I got Sunny into her office, Dr. Post leaned close for a moment, & stood up & said, "It smells like thyroid." (!)

She gave Sunny thyroid hormone right then, but of course it was too late.

Tell everybody you know about this.

Tell your vets, tell your family & friends & neighbors & people you see at work & people you meet walking their dogs, to be sure to have thyroid tests done for any doggie having seizures.

And bless you Ptuny & Ben!

Yours is the "happy ending" story that got this information to a lot of people.

(Ben!

Go pull some more lost people out of the snow!

Drive that police cruiser!

Discipline that basketball!)

hugs to all,

sylvia


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Judith (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 10:10

I am going to post about this story on our Pets Froum. This is something that everyone who has dogs should know about.

Judith


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Annz (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 12:39

I am so glad this had a happy ending! I think many dogs lives will be saved because of it.

We just have to be the ones to keep pressuring vets to test 'everything'..........especially since thyroid isn't part of the basic blood panel.


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Talley_Sue_NYC (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 13:49

Ptuny, call your local paper--this is a great story! And that will help get the word out, too.

And I'm so happy for Ben!


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: kim_okla (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 14:02

That is such wonderful news.


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Maddie_in_KY (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 14:14

(X) (X) (X) (X) (X) (X) (X)

That's me doing cartwheels for you!!!! What an incredible story!!!

And also--people that are owned by cats--please have the thyroid checked with them, too. I lost my beloved Asia in January due to a mis-diagnosed thyroid problem, that was eventually diagnosed, but the problems it caused were beyond help.


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: weed30 (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 16:39

Oh that is just about the greatest thing I have heard lately! I am SO HAPPY for you, for Ben, and for all of us who got to read about this wonderful story with such a perfect ending.

WOW!!!!


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: TeresaVA (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 16:51

I guess I have skipped over this post today, since this is my first look at it-but I am literally just AMAZED!!! Wow! What a wonderful story with an even better ending!! And Ben, you are quite the handsome guy!

Ptuny & Ben-CONGRATS!!

Sylvia-Thank you, thank you, thank you!!


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: jannAZ (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 18:23

So glad it's good news.

Now I have a question. What is it with half-Rotties and basketballs? My half-Rottie (whose other half is basset, and yes, she looks as funny as that sounds) ***loves*** the basketball that got thrown in the back yard because no one wanted it. She rolls it all over the yard, growling and grumping because she can't get her mouth around it.

So far, she hasn't destroyed hers, but it wasn't for lack of trying!

Jann


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: lakeguy35 (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 22:51

WOW!! I'm glad to hear that your big guy Ben is okay! This place amazes me daily, what a great bunch of people.... I don't what it is but it sure comes through when people need it!

David


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Nancy_in_Mich (My Page) on Tue, Mar 9, 04 at 23:56

Wow! A girl wanders over to the KT to see if anyone else is having an odd thing happen when posting, and look what she finds! I just emailed this thread and the original thread to my dog-sitter. She'll probably send it all around the world. Sylvia, you must feel so grateful that your tragedy gave you the knowledge to help Ben and Petunia! I am so sorry you suffered so back then, but so glad that you were there on Friday. Ben looks like a fine, fine guy! Petunia, your ability to share your feelings was what saved your boy. If you had been crying there alone instead of being brave enough to tell the KT, I don't want to think about what would have happened. I am so happy for all of you and for our little community!


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: tahlequahgardens (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 8:08

P'Tuny I did not even open this till today. I am not relly a pet person, and don't open a lot of pet threads. I did read your original letter, as I really felt for you, to loose your pet.

Don't get me wrong, I like some animals, and love my daughters dogs, but I am highly allergic to almost all animals, and have taken a HUGE step back from them, because of this.

Now, I am so glad, to have opened this thread too.

Give Ben a hug for me.

Moni


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: GingerTN (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 8:45

Sylvia you are wonderful! Ben is a beautiful dog, I'm so happy he was saved.

ginger


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: JoAnn_Ks (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 11:25

Such a super story. Blessings to Sylvia for being there. So glad Ben is going to be okay and Ptuny is happy again. Hugs to all.


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: patriciakw (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 12:59

i cry everytime i read this :)


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RE: How a gal in Texas saved a dog in Manitobas life!

Posted by: Cinderella (My Page) on Wed, Mar 10, 04 at 15:24

THis is incredible. I am so happy that this turned out well.

What a wonderful story to read!!




Comments (11)

  • 18 years ago
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    I am very glad your dog was hypothyroid and all he needed to stop having seizures is thyroid supplement. It is still very rare to have seizures caused by hypothyroidism; more common is to have another underlying seizure disorder that is exacerbated by hypothyroidism. But that is exactly why we test for it- easy to test, easy to fix. I certainly would not fail to test for hypothyroidism or to supplement if the test taks too long when presented with a seizuring dog, I just think it is important for people to know that it is an uncommon cause of seizures.

  • 18 years ago
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    MY dog DIED.

    because the stupid, incompetent, litany-spouting vets insisted that her problem wasn't thyroid UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE.

    The dog in Canada lived because his owner MADE the vet run a thyroid test;
    the vet was preparing to EUTHANIZE the dog that he hadn't tested for thyroid because "thyroid is rare in dogs".

    Whether the seizures are caused by hypothyroidism itself or by 'an underlying seizure disorder excerbated by hypothyroidism' makes no difference to someone whose dog is dying because some stinkin', irresponsible vet is splitting hairs & not doing his/her job of providing competent, diligent care for the dog.

  • 18 years ago
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    Meghane, please see my post on the other thread about the collie with seizures. As I quote there, a study at Tufts University found that 77% of the seizure dogs studies had thyroid disorder. If this is correct, it is NOT a rare event. Please don't discard what others say simply because you have not been taught it in class.

  • 18 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I have already responded in the other post:)

  • 18 years ago
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    Sylvia, that is an amazing story! I always find your posts to be useful, well-reasoned and often entertaining :) Thanks so much for sharing.

    Meghane, I don't think anyone would assume all seizures all caused by hypothyroid, it's one potential cause, and I appreciate Sylvia bringing it to our attention. Whether it's frequent or infrequent isn't the point, we are the only advocates our dogs have in the end, and the more we know, the better off they will be.

  • 18 years ago
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    Can't imagine what Ben's Mum must've gone thru ... lucky she read Sylvia's post when she did.

    (((Sylvia)))

  • 18 years ago
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    Is it just me or does it seem that Meghane always ends up being the whipping boy every time she takes the time to explain a medical condition, procedure or results of a recent study? I think everyone here should appreciate the fact that someone in the veterinary field is taking the time to answer questions that we ask on this forum.

    Personally, I place very little value on most studies. As already mentioned, they often leave out a lot of unknowns and the results are not easily interpreted. Just look at all the great studies that said estrogen therapy was completely safe for women!

    Yes, I agree all vets should test for thyroid when a dog is showing seizure symptoms, and I'm glad the subject has been brought up so pet owners will know to ask their vet about the tests........yet, it's hard to believe there are still vets out there that don't run the tests.
    Of all the vets I've used over the years I've never had one 'not' run a thyroid test just to cover all the bases.

    I have to agree that hypothyroidism is 'rare' based on all the dogs I've known that have experienced seizures. None were diagnosed with thyroid problems after all test results were in.

  • 18 years ago
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    Based upon what Prarie love wrote, at least some people do believe that hypothyroid-induced seizures are common. Being hypothyroid and having seizures are not necessarily related, though they certainly can be. Unfortunately being that most animals do not get regular annual (twice yearly for older pets) bloodwork when they are healthy, but most people will get bloodwork done when their pet has a seizure, it is often the case that low T4 is discovered right after an animal has a seizure. But the seizure itself can cause low T4, and once the animal's seizures are controlled the T4 returns to normal- or not if the animal is on phenobarbital. This is euthyroid sick syndrome- normally functioning thyroid that is temporarily suppressed due to another disease. Euthyroid sick syndrome can be caused by any disease, including a disease that causes seizures or the seizures themselves. It doesn't hurt to judiciously supplement thyroid hormone in an emergency while waiting for a full thyroid panel, which takes 1-2 weeks (having just gotten one for my dog) as long as you don't go overboard, as oversupplementing thyroid hormone can be cardiotoxic. But you are not really controlling the seizures, you are actually preventing further seizures. In other words, even if a dog's seizures are caused by hypothyroidism, giving thyroid hormone won't do anything to stop the current seizures (explaination follows). The full thyroid panel can sort out euthyroid sick syndrome from true hypothyroidism if it is done prior to starting phenobarb, usually. Some pets refuse to be classified, like my own dog.

    I did a LOT of reading on this lately because my pathologists were stumped when I asked how hypothyroidism, which causes decreased cellular activity, could possibly cause seziures, which are caused by increased cellular activity. I would have asked the neurologists, but they were in rounds and then left before I could catch them.

    But I did find the info myself, and it seems that hyperlipidemia (VERY high serum triglycerides and/or cholesterol) may lead to atherosclerosis and then ischemic encephalopathy (low oxygen to the brain) due to hemorrhage or thrombus, causing seizures or other CNS signs (called a stroke in people). There are many causes for hyperlipidemia, hypothyroidism is one. One study showed that dogs that had atherosclerosis were 51 times more likely to be hypothyroid than dogs who did not have artherosclerosis (they showed similar results for dogs with diabetes mellitus).

    Hyperlipidemia may also cause hypercoagulable syndrome where an animal throws clots, which can end up anywhere. Clinical signs are referrable to location of clot, so if a dog threw a clot into the brain, that would also cause ischemic encephalopathy and possible CNS signs or seizures.

    Of course, bloodwork would pick up hyperlipidemia (well, a complete panel would show both cholesterol and triglyceride levels; some in-house machines can't do this), so waiting for a thyroid panel just tells you why the hyperlipidemia is present. Because hyperlipidemia may have causes besides hypothyroidism, it is much more important to include cholesterol and triglycerides in a seizure work-up than to include thyroid testing. You can always go back for a cause of hyperlipidemia if needed.

    That said, you need to have a full thyroid panel done before a pet is placed on phenobarbital because that drug suppresses thyroid hormone in some animals. It does not always cause clinical disease and may not always need to be treated. Once on phenobarb, it is very difficult to impossible to sort out true hypothyroidism from phenobarb-induced thyroid suppression. Without clinical signs though, there doesn't seem to be a need for treatment.

    Atherosclerosis appears to be rare in dogs overall, but common in dogs with hypothyroidism and diabetes mellitus. The actual incidence is unknown because you need either MRI, CT, or a necropsy to diagnose it. Most people don't have access to MRI or CT for their pets either because of expense or because it isn't available. And most people refuse necropsy.

    The unfortunate part about atherosclerosis is that once it is in the brain, you can't get rid of it, even by treating the underlying cause. If you can get the animal to stop having seizures and if there isn't too much permanent damage and if you can treat the underlying cause, you may be able to prevent more seizures depending upon how much of the brain is affected by atherosclerosis. The damage is done, and you have to prevent further atherosclerosis by treating the disease. In some cases, the damage to the brain may be too great and the patient dies despite best efforts, even if the cause was "just" hypothyroidism. Controlling hypothyroidism would also prevent further seizures due to hypercoagulable states caused by hyperlipidemia, but the same "ifs" apply. This is why supplementing thyroid hormone when presented with a seizuring animal isn't really necessary, even if the seizures are caused by hypothyroidism. You do need to control the hypothyroidism, but that can wait until the animal stops seizing and you have at least a clue of whether or not the animal is actually hypothyroid.

    It appears that the reason hypothyroidism is a rare cause of seizures in dogs is that most cases of hypothyroidism are diagnosed and treated long before a patient develops clincally significant hyperlipidemia and subsequent atherosclerosis. It seems that mild hypothyroidism without clinical signs does not cause the a high degree of hyperlipidemia, so the risk of seizures in this case is very small. I guess if you ignore the clinical signs long enough and don't do screening bloodwork on a regular basis, a dog could have severe hypothyroidism and seizures.

    BTW, collies are prone to hyperlipidemia without hypothyroidism, so in the case of poor Shelby, testing cholesterol and triglycerides is much more important than thyroid testing. You have to know what is common in certain breeds and ages, otherwise you end up running every test in the book and that is a waste of time, money, and effort.

  • 18 years ago
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    I started this thread, & I was very angry to have it hijacked & turned into a long lecture on chemistry & veterinary theory, especially by someone who didn't even read the thread well enough to realize that *my dog died* & who said she was happy the dog lived but who took the attitude that it was more or less a happy accident, that anecdotal evidence is on the same level as old wives' tales.

    Anecdotal evidence, also known as 'field evidence', is the backbone of much science.

    (Louis Pasteur discovered that people could be vaccinated against smallpox when he heeded field evidence:
    milkmaids who had had cowpox were immune to smallpox.
    Had he insisted that there was no known causal relationship, thousands of people would have died from smallpox.)

    My dog was kept on valium for over a week;
    when she died, she had no measurable thyroid hormone in her body.

    I don't care how a vet justifies his or her practice management, I don't care what the veterinary college courses say about the rarity of hypothyroidism causing seizures, & I don't give one hoot if correlation isn't the same as causation.

    That kind of argument has its place in the laboratory & not in the exam room where my dog is having seizure after seizure after seizure.

    The veterinary clinic is the place we go to get help for our animals, not to have theory exercised at the cost of our animals' lives.

    If there's a correlation, give the dog thyroid hormone.
    If the seizures stop, hurray.

    Don't keep drugging the animal until it dies because you don't know why hypothyroidism would cause seizures.

  • 18 years ago
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    Good grief sylvia! The initial post was so long even I scanned it and totally missed your insert. I remember the story so I didn't feel I needed to read the whole thing.

    I don't know how you can consider the thread highjacked when the title with 'Rare' highlighted was, IMO, an invitation for controversy.

    I'm sorry you lost your dog due to the misdiagnosis from several vets and can understand your frustration with them, but why don't we all just step back, take a deep breath, and move on.

  • 18 years ago
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    My points are that:

    the "misdiagnosis" (actually, there never was a diagnosis until it was too late) was due to the fact that the vets did not check thyroid,

    that I have become skeptical as to whether vets actually know whether thyroid is "rare", since they do not diagnose dead dogs that weren't treated for thyroid,

    & that, if it's your dog, you might save its life by insisting on a thyroid test.

    My use of the term "hijacking" is in response to the very technical post, *much longer* than my original post, that addressed & attempted to justify veterinary theory rather than practical use.

    I wanted to post this valuable information, but i didn't want to hijack the post about Shelby the Collie, so I wrote my own post.

    Other people can do that, too.

    It surprises me that anyone would respond to a post that they didn't even read.

    If it's too long, just skip it.