If you have hired a professional tile setter to perform the work he will presumably offer a guarantee for workmanship and materials. If this is the product he believes in and regularly uses why do you think you know better?

Cascade,

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"If you have hired a professional tile setter to perform the work he will presumably offer a guarantee for workmanship and materials. If this is the product he believes in and regularly uses why do you think you know better?"

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Did I say I know better? Should I not question the use of a product that has never been mentioned by the professional builders here on this forum? The work is guaranteed for three years but I like to have it done 'right' the first time. Is it possible you are annoyed by people questioning your own techniques? I don't know why you bothered to respond. You have changed my life. I will question nothing and just say yes, yes...yes.

I give it my seal of approval.

Did you check out SGM's website?

Thanks t-square,

Yes I did check out the website. I am also going to call their tech rep to get the low down on this product.

Damien

I cannot understand why, after meeting a professional and presumably having had the opportunity to see his work and check some references, people will come back to an internet forum to check with a bunch of self-proclaimed experts. I have been in the pool business for 20 years but you don't know me or anything about me, as far as you know I could be a bank teller who once went for a swim. Yet if I had said "yes, great product" that would have apparently given you some peace of mind.
As far as people questioning my techniques or methods - go ahead, I've got nothing to hide. I really have been doing this for 20 years and when I stop learning every day I will quit coming to work. One thing I've learned that I can share - every customer who has ever started a sentence with "I read on the internet..." has turned out to be a PITA.

I think forums like this are great for the do-it-yourselfer and I am happy to check in and offer a piece of advice now and then but I believe that there are certain jobs that a professional should handle and that you should let the professionals do their jobs as they see fit. If I hire you as a professional to do work for me I will show you respect and trust that you are doing the best job and using the best materials you can for me - your client. If I did not feel that trust at the beginning I would not offer you the job.

I appreciate all the help I have received from the all the friendly people, and builders on this forum and certainly understand both points of view above. I would like to think that we could trust the professionals and I would really like too, but based on my experience with this pool build, I have to ask alot of questions to protect myself.

I trusted the pool plumber, (licensed and bonded pool plumber) and he plumbed my 8' spa with 2 1/2" suction and 2" returns on a 2hp Pentair pump with 10 jets (15gpm each). Simple math and you realize the mistake he made. We had to demo and replumb with larger pipe and add another pump.

I trusted the cement contractor, (licensed and bonded concrete for residential and commercial) and he poured 18 yard of concrete for my RV parking and driveway that looks like it was his first attempt at concrete work. I have filed a complaint with the California State contractors board since the owner of the company won't call me back. For a laugh check out what the pro's did...This is what I came back to from a busines trip, owner of the company who supervised my job says there's nothing wrong with his work...boot marks in the driveway and all!

I take alot of pride in what I do and my work, so I offten assume that everyone else does too. As much as it would be nice to just hire a pro and let him do his thing, you never know what you're going to get until you get it. There is a flood of people in the construction business that really don't belong there and they are really dragging down the professionalism of the true trademen. I enjoy great workmanship and I like to compliment people on their work, I just don't see alot of great workmanship around me.

I know there are some great contractors out there, I just wish they were easier to find!

And finally here's the question, why do you need to waterproof behind the tile anyway? Do you really have to worry about leaks?

Have a great Monday.

John.

I appreciate all the help I have received from the all the friendly people, and builders on this forum and certainly understand both points of view above. I would like to think that we could trust the professionals and I would really like too, but based on my experience with this pool build, I have to ask alot of questions to protect myself.

I trusted the pool plumber, (licensed and bonded pool plumber) and he plumbed my 8' spa with 2 1/2" suction and 2" returns on a 2hp Pentair pump with 10 jets (15gpm each). Simple math and you realize the mistake he made. We had to demo and replumb with larger pipe and add another pump.

I trusted the cement contractor, (licensed and bonded concrete for residential and commercial) and he poured 18 yard of concrete for my RV parking and driveway that looks like it was his first attempt at concrete work. I have filed a complaint with the California State contractors board since the owner of the company won't call me back. For a laugh check out what the pro's did...This is what I came back to from a busines trip, owner of the company who supervised my job says there's nothing wrong with his work...boot marks in the driveway and all!

I take alot of pride in what I do and my work, so I offten assume that everyone else does too. As much as it would be nice to just hire a pro and let him do his thing, you never know what you're going to get until you get it. There is a flood of people in the construction business that really don't belong there and they are really dragging down the professionalism of the true trademen. I enjoy great workmanship and I like to compliment people on their work, I just don't see alot of great workmanship around me.

I know there are some great contractors out there, I just wish they were easier to find!

And finally here's the question, why do you need to waterproof behind the tile anyway? Do you really have to worry about leaks?

Have a great Monday.

John.

John,

Couldn't have said it better myself. That's precisely why I'm contracting out our pool myself. I take a lot of pride in my work, and even though I'm no expert, I think sometimes I can do a better job than some of these sub contractors. You have to be on your toes, and there is nothing wrong with questioning something. A good contractor will explain everything and make you feel comfortable with your decision.

-Dan

Cascade,

"Self proclaimed experts".

I will listen to anybody that puts forward their point of view on the subject asked. I will then do my own research on all options, products and procedures until I am confident that 'I' have made the most informed decision (including speaking to the product manufacturers tech people). I will not accept a self proclaimed 'proffesionals' word for it.

"Checking references"

This only determines that the appearance is acceptable to the individual, but not the longevity of the installation where underlaying problems may appear years later.

"Yet if I had said "yes, great product" that would have apparently given you some peace of mind"

No, just another avenue to explore.

"I really have been doing this for 20 years and when I stop learning every day I will quit coming to work"

Hey, I'm learning too and when I stop I will consider that I know everything.

"One thing I've learned that I can share - every customer who has ever started a sentence with "I read on the internet..." has turned out to be a PITA"

To a degree, I agree :)

"I believe that there are certain jobs that a professional should handle and that you should let the professionals do their jobs as they see fit"

Surely you have got to be kidding? See the example within this thread for starters and the multiple others that continue to post immediate dissapointments and time delayed failures. Been there done that.

"If I hire you as a professional to do work for me I will show you respect and trust that you are doing the best job and using the best materials you can for me - your client. If I did not feel that trust at the beginning I would not offer you the job."

I do not operate on the 'feel trust' go for it way of making decisions based on the word of a self exclaimed proffesional. That method has back fired more often than not. This is why I am here asking the simple original question, and that is...

My tile installer wants to use this one part brush on flexible membrane on the vertical bond beam before he puts the tile on. I am sceptical of a rubber membrane and its ability to bond with the thinset while supporting tile on the vertical. Manufacturer says for interior/exterior walls and floors. Installer says they switched from Thoroseal over to this product 4 years ago and use it behind all their pool tile and stone work and have had no call backs. Anybody have experience with this product?

Peace,

Damien.

Cascade, I don't know you