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Opinions on CL Mahogany Dining Table (PIC)?

14 years ago

I found this Kindel mahogany dining table for sale and I would love some opinions on it before I consider buying it.

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The table closed is 46"x78" and expands with 4 internally-stored 12" leaves. The condition is fantastic: a few minor scratches, but otherwise in perfect shape. The top is definitely veneer, though the pedestals appear solid. It was originally purchased sometime in the 1980s. I would have to find chairs (perhaps some antiques or some upholstered new chairs), as he is not selling those in the background.

My dining room is a silvery gray color with white trim, vaulted ceilings and dark brown painted wood beams (maybe someday we can change the faux beams to be more realistic and stained wood) with cream silk curtains and a crystal chandelier. My style tends to be a mix of sleek contemporary and some traditional.

I like the color, size, and expansion capabilities of the table. However, while I like pedestal tables, I am somewhat uncertain whether the table is great stylistically or not. I also seem to have a (perhaps unfair?) personal bias against furniture from the 1980s and initially thought this table was older (1940s/1950s). I would love to hear your opinions on the table and whether I should consider purchasing or should hold out for something different.

Comments (40)

  • 14 years ago

    This is the style I like and I have a very similar one that is from the 30's.

  • 14 years ago

    It is a very traditional style, so the 1980's part wouldn't bother me, assuming that it is well built. If you are not loving it, I would pass until you find one that you really love. For me it is always better to wait for the right piece, instead of settling for something not quite right.
    Diane

  • 14 years ago

    You would be a lucky duck, imo, if it's well priced. We rarely get wonderful 'back east' things like this out here in so ca. Kindel is a top of the line ( or used to be) company. You did not share the price, but assume you know the cost of a similar new Kindel table. If it isn't your dream table, you must weigh that against the cost of getting exactly what you want by either waiting for maybe, or paying for new. Looks gorgeous. I would be thrilled with it...after wringing my hands over the fact that MY dream table would be crotch top mahogany. Ofttimes with used it's a matter of compromise. Tell us the price and let me salivate.

  • 14 years ago

    I love pedestal tables. They make seating so much easier. The one thing that would concern me is having a top with a veneer if you plan to make it a forever piece and/or one to pass down some day.

    Nonetheless, if the price is good and your style is traditional, it looks great.

  • 14 years ago

    Thank you for all of the helpful opinions so far. I did not realize Kindel was top of the line (hadn't heard of the brand before), so that is great information. I already purchased the 1940s buffet in the background for storage in a different room and asked him about the table while I was picking up the buffet. I mentioned that I liked the table but his original asking price was out of my price range. He called me the next day and asked if I would be interested at $450.

    I really like the pedestal style and the way that the table expands. I am not entirely enamored with the brightness of the brass feet or the squared off shape of the pedestals. Does anyone know if I can darken / de-gloss the brass a little without damaging it? Also, I typically like a little less detail or a little more curved lines in pedestal tables. You can see in the picture they are a bit angular. However, I do really like the table overall. I think some of my hesitation comes from my significant other making a comment about how he didn't love it but didn't hate it. He has a difficult time articulating why, but I think that planted a seed of doubt in my mind.

  • 14 years ago

    A new Kindel "18th Century" double pedestal table, which is a slightly more elaborate version of this lists for $9600.00

    That table is a steal.

  • 14 years ago

    I love it! You will not notice the feet once the chairs are in place:)

  • 14 years ago

    Holy cow! I clearly had no idea what I was looking at. Thank you so much for the information.

  • 14 years ago

    As far as practicality goes, I have a similar one from the 40s and the feet get in the way of tucking in chairs--not for a small room!

    The style can't be beat (until the legs get beat from chair tucking) and it's pretty.

  • 14 years ago

    That table is fabulous!!....the brass feet look wonderful with it...it's classic good taste...bright feet veneer top pedestles and all...
    and the brass will tarnish in short order....if you don't like it bright....don't polish them.
    My table is the same style....but the leaves are not stored internally. I have found no problem with the chairs and the legs....this was my mother's table, she bought it used/second-hand in 1962 and I got it in 1984. There's no problem with the legs nor pushing chairs under....but the feet need polishing!
    Linda C

  • 14 years ago

    You won't believe this but I found one like this and I believe I paid $25 for it. However, my top was scratched in several spots but I immediately identified it as a Duncan Phyfe and happily paid the $20 or $25 for it.

    But guess what I did? I took the top off and made a mini-table with one set of the legs. The table top and the other part of the leg set are sitting in the garage for now until I decide what to do with them.

    The pix is kinda grainy/scary looking. I tried to sharpen it for better viewing.

    And yes I made the top totally reversible, all I have to do is unscrew the top and all is well.

    {{!gwi}}

  • 14 years ago

    That's a good table style and you could mix it with transitional upholstered chairs. I wouldn't worry about the brass feet. You really won't notice them especially if you have an area carpet. I grabbed a quick link to show you one chair possibility. Of course, you would have to check seat heights, etc.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Transitional dining chair.

  • 14 years ago

    I wanted to apologize to you pricklypear, I didn't mean to hijack your thread with my diy project. I was so excited to share what I had done that I later realized I didn't even comment on your question.

    I love the table and have one very similar in style. The table you posted appears to be in excellent condition and I think you should definitely go for it if you like it.

    : )

  • 14 years ago

    Thank you all for the encouragement. I'm going to make a quick trip tonight to a fantastic antique store I found (while searching for possible chairs for this table) to make certain they don't have an actual antique table within my price range that I like better. If I don't find anything that I feel over the moon about (and can afford), I think I will go for this Kindel! I'm glad to hear that over time the brass (without polish) will tone down a little bit and you are all absolutely right that the brass feet probably won't bother me with chairs around the table. I do have boring beige carpet, and I think you're right that it will help disguise the feet a little bit.

    In case it's helpful to know, my room is 106" wide (fixed) by 135" long (flexible - can take more or less room as it flows into the living room). I do not intend to put a buffet / sideboard into the room as it is not wide enough and the one end wall has a low window.

    Love the transitional chairs from West Elm, forhgtv.

    These are some more upholstered chairs that I found that I think could work. Would they help add a bit of contemporary / transitional to the mix?



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    I also really like this non-upholstered chair, although I'm not certain if it's too stark to go with this table.
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    No problem, flowermum. I couldn't see pictures in the link you posted (looks like it was for the general Photobucket site rather than your pictures).

  • 14 years ago

    Beautiful table, I hope you can get it.

  • 14 years ago

    I think any of the upholstered chairs you chose would look great with the table. The only thing about high-backed chairs is that they can close off a room a little, but that might not be a problem with your room. I love the Starke chairs, but I'm not sure how those will look with the table scale-wise.

  • 14 years ago

    Great point regarding high backed chairs closing off a room. Maybe I can mock something up with some existing chairs I have laying around the house to see how the higher backed chairs might feel in the space.

  • 14 years ago

    I think that's a lot of table for a space that's less than 9' wide. As you have already heard, it's terrific on the quality/value axis.
    Casey

  • 14 years ago

    sombreuil_mongrel, are you saying it's too wide for the space? Right now I have a 48" round table (cheap hand me down) with 4 chairs that seems to leave plenty of space all of the way around. I tried simulating the length of the unexpanded table by placing the end chairs at 78" to get a sense. It seemed ok, but having never owned a real dining room table, I am certainly not experienced with this sort of thing.

  • 14 years ago

    Please do not confuse cheap veneered furniture with high quality veneers - many of the original and costly antiques were made with quality veneering.
    Looks like a fabulous deal!!

  • 14 years ago

    OMG!!! A Kendel table for $450 with all those leaves??? STEAL, it must not mean much to him or he has no idea what he has on his hands. Original owner paid thousands. Veneers are not synonymous with inferiority. Veneering in high end furniture is a valued art form. I worked in furniture for years at the Merchandise Mart Furniture section. This is a wonderful piece of furniture. I have a similar table that is a Baker because Kindel was out of my price range even with the price of a Baker the Kindel was more. My double pedestal table has the lighter almost blond wood band around the edge with darker crotch veneering in mahogany. Do not be prejudiced against reproduction from the '80's. Things were still quality then. I also love mixing antiques or their copy with modern furniture. I would love to see you mix contemporary chairs with this gorgeous table. That would be lovely you lucky girl!!!

  • 14 years ago

    I think those chairs to the left of the table in the photo are a perfect match for that table!

  • 14 years ago

    Our daughter has a Kendel 18th century dining room set,
    with a double pedestal table. The table alone is about
    11-12k new...Clearly the CL seller doesn't know it's value.

    BTW, all good quality dining room table tops are veneer,
    as veneer doesn't warp. Do a search and check it out.

  • 14 years ago

    I would have said yes even before I read that Kindels are top notch etc.

  • 14 years ago

    The table is beautiful and well priced.

    Regarding fitting in the room, consider that your current table is round, so only one person has to slide in and out near the wall. With this table you could have 3 or 4 "landlocked" diners sitting on the long sides. Will they be able to get in and out without others having to get up or scoot in?

  • 14 years ago

    Thank you for the clarification regarding cheap veneer vs quality veneer. That's very encouraging to know that good quality tables may have good quality veneer and that it's not in the same ballpark as the poor quality cheap stuff. After looking at antique dining tables last night, I can certainly understand the concern for warping. Many of the antique tables looked very warped. I did find two tables that I liked, but not nearly as much as this one. They were also much more expensive.

    It sounds like I need to do a little more mock testing in my dining room before purchasing. I suspect that I will be ok with a slightly tight squeeze. We use our dining table some now, but not much. There are only two of us, but we do some low-key entertaining (just a few friends or family) and would like to be able to do dinners sometimes. The room is essentially U shaped with about 1/3 of the living room on the open end of the U. On one of the long sides of the U shape there is a door to my kitchen. When we can finally afford to remodel our kitchen (we do almost exclusively DIY and like to save up for each remodel as we go), I intend to expand the doorway to make it more open to the kitchen. So I suspect if we extend the table with leaves, we will have people slightly landlocked (or at least squeezing will be necessary). When closed, I think I will keep 4 or maybe 6 chairs at the table, so the people should be able to escape around the ends without too much squeezing. But, this is all theory in my mind, so I think I need to do a test mockup at my house.

    The seller is in the process of getting divorced and is selling some of the furniture he inherited from his parents. He said he thinks it's worth $3000, but his sister has moved into his house and so his furniture is essentially piled in the garage as he tries to sell it. He hasn't dropped his listed price online to what he's offered to me, and in our area anything above $500 seems to stagnate and not sell well. I think he knows it's a good quality table, but wants to sell it quickly.

  • 14 years ago

    That's a great deal on a Kindel table. If you decided against buying the table, would you mind sharing the CL ad? If it's close enough, someone might want to jump on the deal.

  • 14 years ago

    Definitely, tam184. I'm about 99% certain I'll buy it (need to discuss with my significant other tonight first and do a couple more measurements). But if I do not, I will definitely share the ad in case someone here might be able to buy it.

  • 14 years ago

    If you want it you should buy it right away before someone else beats you to it.

    I like the brass feet.

  • 14 years ago

    Thank you all so much for the great advice. We went ahead and picked up the table this evening. Unfortunately it is so heavy that the two of us (ok maybe it's just me) aren't strong enough to turn it on it's side to carry it in the house. I'm going to have to call in some reinforcements! For now, we were able to get it safely into the garage and hopefully can round up some assistance this weekend to get it moved into the dining room.

  • 14 years ago

    Glad you bought it...when you find a deal act....as someone once said you never regret what you buy but you regret a lot what you passed by.
    Linda C

  • 14 years ago

    I'm so glad you got it...I was feeling what happyladi said, a little anxious that you hadn't beaten a path to the door.

  • 14 years ago

    Thank you for the concern. It is always a gamble waiting on a deal. I have missed out on a few things due to hesitation. In this case, I was a little less concerned because he still had his ad price listed much higher than what he offered me, though I was still a little worried.

    Thanks to all of you incredibly knowledgeable and supportive people, I now have a dining room table that I love. If it wasn't for GW, I never would have thought to hunt for furniture like this on CL, nor would I have the knowledge of what might be a quality purchase. Thank you for providing this amazing community.

  • 14 years ago

    Congrats on your great CL score! I'm envious of the internal storage for all those leaves; gosh, and is that convenient! I totally agree with you, this forum and the people on it are wonderful and so darn helpful.
    I hope that you'll keep us updated and show us pics once you've found the perfect chairs and have it all set up. That's a fun part of this forum . . . the Before & After pics!
    Lynn

  • 14 years ago

    Glad you got it! It's gorgeous! I'm sure you'll find some great chairs for it

  • 14 years ago

    Yay!!! I hope you'll post some pictures once you find chairs you like.

  • 14 years ago

    Congratulations on your beautiful new table. Well done. My dining room is 12 x 13.5. I have a Baker double pedestal table similar to yours that is 46" x 88" with both leaves in. It has another one somewhere around here. Anyway in addition to the table there are 6 chairs around it and on one wall a 26" deep at the deepest point bowfront sideboard with one chair on each side of it. It's a little tight but works fine. I think it will fit in your room just fine especially since you don't plan to have a sideboard with it in the same space. If you are concerned about the chairs you could do the taller upholstered chairs at each end and then smaller wood chairs on the sides. I think it looks best with six chairs and storing the other two for larger dinner parties somewhere else. Have fun!

  • 14 years ago

    Whew. I was rooting for you to jump on it ASAP. Great find!!

  • 14 years ago

    You scored BIG time on that table. It's a gorgeous Duncan Phyfe double pedestal. I searched for months of CL to find a drop-leaf DF pedestal table with extension leaves. Patience is a virtue (one that I don't have much of), but I did find one and we love it! We keep it in the back of our LR for large dinner parties.

    The brass will dull out over time, so if you don't like shiny brass leave it along. I polished the brass feet on mine and they look just like new.

    Enjoy!!!!!

  • 14 years ago

    Thanks again everyone! gr8day, that's fantastic that you have a similarly sized dining room and table and have found it to work. bonnieann925, you are absolutely right that patience is a virtue. I have been looking for about a year for the type of table you purchased and just happened upon this one. I am really looking forward to getting this table moved into place. Everyone here has been so incredibly helpful and supportive. I can't express enough thanks.