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my front door - the saga cont'd

16 years ago

Okay, so many of you may remember I posted several months back about what color I should paint my front door. Much to my to my husbands chagrin, I went back and forth on color several times. I actually only repainted the door twice, and I'm sure the neighbors literally think we're nuts. Here is the before:

we knew we wanted the storm door gone, and it was happily accepted at our local Habitat store.

Next up, I chose a very earth warm-toned brown (ultimately) for the color of the door and sidelights. I was very happy with it. I even had a couple out walking in the neighborhood one day stop while I was out giving it a touch up comment and say they thought it was a great choice - looked gorgeous. I was so proud of myself. The plan was to not put up another storm door. I'm not a fan. Who wants a door to smack guests in the face when you greet them? but I digress...

The next step was to repair some dings and repaint the interior side of the door. It had taken a beating its short ten year life. I had noticed that the threshold of the door was worn, the last remnants of stain remaining. I thought a fresh coat of paint would fix it right up. Then, we noticed the smell. At first, we weren't 100% sure of its source. We decided that possibly we had gotten some water seepage under the door after we removed the storm and failed to replace the very worn weather stripping. DH just decided to replace the threshold strip. It was so wet, the screws were rusty (this should have been our first clue that this was more serious, but hey denial is a powerful thing). That finished, we smelled the removed board. YES, this was what we were smelling! That repaired and the weather stripping renewed,DH convinced me that since the door faced north and had we had nothing like a portico or porch, we should replace the storm as well. I agreed and he spent the better part of a saturday putting a more attractive full view variety up. This is what it looks like today:

I once again gathered my supplies for painting. At the bottom of the door jamb, the paint was completely worn where the door was rubbing on it. As I bent down to begin to sand, the familiar smell returned. Undaunted (remember, denial is a powerful thing), I began to scour away. I did not get very far. This wood was damp, and I quickly realized - I could push on it. Now, I'm no woodworker, but even *I* know that aint a good thing. Being the staunch DIYer I am, I decide to scrape away the damage and patch it. Surely its just a surface wound?? I spent the next hour on the floor with a screw driver, half in tears, half choking back mildew odor, discovering that our door jamb was rot clean through. Now, this is very odd, since the exterior of the door showed no signs of wear and was completely vinyl clad. I called my husband, who admitted we needed to have this looked at, as this was now beyond a cosmetic fix.

Long story short (too late), I had two guys come take a look. Both were truly stumped. The latter was a Thermatru installer, who thought we might be able to repair it, but we'd have to get the cladding off and see how bad the damage was. The hiccup there was, they nailed it on instead of using screws. DH spent an entire Saturday removing the cladding and repairing the damage beneath. It was quite a feat, taking weekend warrior status to a new high. The damage was quite extensive, and we decided it had to have been brewing its entire life. Rot like this does not happen in a few short weeks, esp. since its been a very dry summer. Best he could figure was, they never caulked the top of the cladding at the brick mold, and water was getting in the top and it was basically acting like a rain gutter and pooling at the bottom of the threshold. We caulked every inch of anything we could see on this door and repaired the damage.

I was just getting the heart to restart painting, and the smell returned. There is no visible damage remaining, and our belief is that the rot extends into the sidelights. Those cannot be repaired without removing the unit in its entirety. Waving the white flag, DH and I have given up and called the Thermatru guy back out to fit us for a new door. AARGH. At least there is the energy tax credit to offset the cost. I had him price out the same unit we have and a fancier 3/4 light door. The price difference wasn't that much, so we're going with the fancier door.

So now the point of my post! hurray! finally! what do you guys think. I did this mock up on GIMP, with my sons help. My photoshop skills suck. You have to imagine it with the dark brown color, instead of the white.

For anyone still reading, have any thoughts? it amounts to about a $500 difference between the fancier door and just replacing with the same set up. $2500 vs. $3k, roughly, including installation.

Comments (16)

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Does it come in a mahogany wood tone? I think a wood tone would look very nice with your home.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I don't think they do the wood tones in this line, but I might have him get a quote on a different collection. I think it will be even pricier though.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I might have to have him price this set up...

    Here is a link that might be useful: mahogany collection - bella glass

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I am wondering if it would be possible to build the door area "out". It might look better, and also protect it from wind and rain by shielding the area. Maybe even add an overhang? Since you are going all out getting a new door and sidelights now would be the time to do this.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    dilly, that's a gorgeous door and trim. I wonder, though, if the protruding brick trim around kismet's door would prevent using pretty trim like in your picture?

    "I don't think they do the wood tones in this line, but I might have him get a quote on a different collection. I think it will be even pricier though."

    LOL! We're always quick to spend other people's money on this forum! I think it might be worth the investment, though. A wood-look fiberglass door would be very elegant with your brick.

    I switched out our plain 6 panel door for a "sparkly glass" door this winter. I never really liked them before: thought they were too fussy. But I am enjoying the new sunlight in the foyer very, very much [and the sparkles too :) ] Hope you enjoy having a glass door too.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Hmmm, I'm thinking that style doesn't go with your house. I would call it Victorian influence. I don't think it meshes well with your windows, or the patterned brick. I would try something simpler and more traditional.

  • 16 years ago
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    I'm definitely not wanting the victorian look, that's one of the reasons I despised that storm door.

    Hey squirrel, what about that bella glass design in the link I put up there before? would that work? I certainly don't think its victorian, more euro/tuscan, if anything. can you photoshop magic that in there?

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Here's a mock-up of the door. I really like it!

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    dilly, I definitely thinking building the door out in some way will make a huge difference.

    kismet, your house is SO stunning, but I think the doorway (stoop) just doesn't do the rest of it justice. Building it with more trim will give it the presence your lovely home so deserves!

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    "Dilly, that's a gorgeous door and trim. I wonder, though, if the protruding brick trim around kismet's door would prevent using pretty trim like in your picture? "

    I don't think the brick protrudes very far out. The door and sidelights seem almost flush with the brick as it appears now. I was just thinking of a little overhang and pillars that could be built out from the side of the house that are attached flush. The photo I showed as an example also shows the fix to another problem with the set-up the entrance has now, and that is that the door seems a tad too high. The bricks below it are stacked the long way making the door seem like it is "floating". Adding a stoop that the pillars would sit on would solve this.

    I wasn't suggesting a whole portico. It's an idea to play around with. I'm probably not describing what I am thinking of and I can't do photoshop. There are other photos of overhangs with flush pillars and narrow stoop that meets the threshold.

  • 16 years ago
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    awm03, look at you with the mad photoshop skills! THANKS! that does look good, and I definitely like the glass on that door more than the other. I called, its in their premeire line and is nearly double the cost. Right now, I'm having them check and see if they can put that glass in the cheaper door and I'll just paint it a dark color like I was going to when this whole thing started.

    Dilly and anele, while I would LOVE to have some sort of build-out on the front, it's really just not going to happen right now. I wasn't planning on getting a new door at all, so its already eating into my budget for other parts of the house. I appreciate your input though, and that's why I can't resist posting on this forum. Thanks, guys!

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    LOL, kismet! My mad "photoshop" skills consist of copying & pasting into Microsoft Paint, the free applet that comes bundled with Windows. It is a basic as can be, but it does the trick for helping to visualize a house project.
    I leave Photoshop to the experts like Squirrelheaven.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Kismet, you might want to call in a structural engineer to determine where the water is coming from before you replace the door and sidelights. It is possible that there is a leak somewhere that will keep leaking until you get it fixed. I would hate for you to pay the money for any of those beautiful doors/sidelights and have them rot out, too. I hope it turns out all good for you!

  • 16 years ago
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    kismet--- Oh, I totally understand budget concerns, esp. since my budget is almost non-existent!

    How about some nice planters on either side? I think they would give a good impact without a ton of $ to invest!

  • 16 years ago
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    I agree with hoosiergirl - you don't know where that water is coming from, you only know where it ended up. You might want to post on the Home Repair forum and see if someone there has any insights to the issue you haven't considered.

    And I agree with squirrel that the design on the panes seem too ornate for the style of the house.

    Dogs enjoy looking out the full length side panels. And it beats having them jump on the door to look out.

  • 16 years ago
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    We had two guys out to see if they could determine cause. They both concluded we'd have no answers until the door came out. I'm hoping that we don't find additional damage once removed. I doubt we will. We've inspected everywhere around it and have no other signs of damage, but you never know. We really think its a result of improper installation when the house was new.

    I can't find many less ornate glass designs, unless we just go plain glass with grills, which really is not an option as the house is fairly close to the street. The other designs tend to lend themselves to either Craftsman, Contemporary, or southwestern. None of those match my house either. The other option is to keep the same set up I have, but that just seems so boring, and I hate to spend all that $$ and have nothing change, spare the musty smell. The upgrading is only a few hundred dollars difference.

    this one any less ornate??