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Kitchen (Massachusetts) Electrical code question
Comments (13)If you remove a receptacle in a kitchen that serves the counter top, it must be replaced by a GFCI protected receptacle. The GFCI can be a breaker in the panel. 406.3(D)(2) requires GFCI protected receptacles where replacements are made at receptacle outlets that are required to be so protected elsewhere in the NEC. These receptacles, using existing boxes and wire without a grounding conductor, can be installed without attaching a wire to the green ground screw on the receptacle. The GFCI will still protect people. The fine print note found in 406.3- FPN No. 2: For extensions of existing branch circuits, see 250.130. It is important to note that an outlet is any box for using power including lights. GFCI codes generally only refer to receptacles (the things you plug cords into) Once you gut the kitchen, the new outlets become an extension and not a replacement. These new outlets must conform to the current NEC including the new wire with a grounding conductor and the green screw on the receptacle attached to the grounding conductor. When it is difficult to start a new circuit from all the way back to the panel, NEC 250.130(c) provides a way to connect the new grounding conductor to the same grounding 'system' as the panel by an alternate route. This procedure is hard for many electricians to understand AND it can be inadvertently undone by future remodels. Massachusetts has rejected this part of the NEC. 250.130(C) Nongrounding Receptacle Replacement or Branch Circuit Extensions. The equipment grounding conductor of a grounding-type receptacle or a branch-circuit extension shall be permitted to be connected to any of the following: (1) Any accessible point on the grounding electrode system as described in 250.50 (2) Any accessible point on the grounding electrode conductor (3) The equipment grounding terminal bar within the enclosure where the branch circuit for the receptacle or branch circuit originates (4) For grounded systems, the grounded service conductor within the service equipment enclosure (5) For ungrounded systems, the grounding terminal bar within the service equipment enclosure FPN: See 406.3(D) for the use of a ground-fault circuit-interrupting type of receptacle. (this note does not apply to new receptacles, just replacement of existing ones) This is where the confusion comes in. If you do not have two GFCI breakers in the panel for the kitchen, or two GFCI receptacles somewhere in the kitchen after pulling out the old receptacles, your kitchen does not meet Massachusetts code. Further, if you do not have new 12-2 NMB with ground wire (it has a yellow sheathing) going all the way back to the panel, your kitchen does not meet Massachusetts code. There is no exception in the NEC that says if it is too much trouble to comply with one part of the code, that not putting in the required GFCI protection will make it right. Two wrongs do not make a right. Eliminating 250.130(c) did not negate the remainder of the code book that it was related to. In general, the only receptacles in the kitchen that need GFCI protection are the ones designed to serve the counter. That means any receptacle 20" above the counter to 12" below the counter and not inside an upper or lower cabinet. The 2014 NEC now requires a GFCI for dishwashers. Article 210.8(D) GFCI for Kitchen Dishwasher Branch Circuit. GFCI protection shall be provided for outlets that supply dishwashers installed in dwelling units. This includes receptacles and hardwired (All GFCI’s must be readily accessible). This usually only effects all work that applied for a permit after Jan.1st 2014 (in the case of Massachusetts) other states may not have adopted this code yet. (Michigan, for example, adopted by reference the 2011 edition of the NEC effective on July 1, 2013 and probably won't have the dishwasher requirement for a long time.) It doesn't necessarily apply to work already in progress at that time. A dedicated receptacle for a refrigerator in a kitchen, behind the refrigerator, does not have to be GFCI protected.(yet) They do need to be GFCI protected in garages and basements. Here are Massachusetts amendments to the NEC. http://www.mass.gov/eopss/docs/dfs/board-meetings/2013-9-7-massachusetts-2014-code.pdf Some more light reading: 210.8 Ground-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection for Personnel. Ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel shall be provided as required in 210.8(A) through (C). The ground-fault circuit-interrupter shall be installed in a readily accessible location. Informational Note: See 215.9 for ground-fault circuit interrupter protection for personnel on feeders. (A) Dwelling Units. All 125-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere receptacles installed in the locations specified in 210.8(A)(1) through (10) shall have ground-fault circuit interrupter protection for personnel. (1) Bathrooms (2) Garages, and also accessory buildings that have a floor located at or below grade level not intended as habitable rooms and limited to storage areas, work areas, and areas of similar use. (3) Outdoors Exception to (3): Receptacles that are not readily accessible and are supplied by a branch circuit dedicated to electric snow-melting, deicing, or pipeline and vessel heating equipment shall be permitted to be installed in accordance with 426.28 or 427.22, as applicable. (4) Crawl spaces — at or below grade level (5) Unfinished basements — for purposes of this section, unfinished basements are defined as portions or areasof the basement not intended as habitable rooms and limited to storage areas, work areas, and the like Exception to (5): A receptacle supplying only a permanently installed fire alarm or burglar alarm system shall not be required to have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection. Informational Note: See 760.41(B) and 760.121(B) for power supply requirements for fire alarm systems. Receptacles installed under the exception to 210.8(A)(5) shall not be considered as meeting the requirements of 210.52(G) (6) Kitchens — where the receptacles are installed to serve the countertop surfaces (7) Sinks — where receptacles are installed within 1.8 m (6 ft) of the outside edge of the sink (8) Boathouses (9) Bathtubs or shower stalls — where receptacles are installed within 1.8 m (6 ft) of the outside edge of the bathtub or shower stall (10) Laundry areas Don't forget AFCI requirements. 210.12 Arc-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection. Arcfault circuit-interrupter protection shall be provided as required in 210.12(A) (B), and (C). The arc-fault circuit interrupter shall be installed in a readily accessible location. (A) Dwelling Units. All 120-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets or devices installed in dwelling unit kitchens, family rooms, dining rooms, living rooms, parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms sunrooms, recreation rooms, closets, hallways, laundry areas or similar rooms or areas shall be protected by any of the means described in 210.12(A)(1) through (6):...See MoreWiring a receptacle
Comments (6)What ''wall'' are you wanting to cut through to add an outlet? Why? Circuits are planned carefully to balance the potential loads on them, as well as types of loads. Adding an outlet to a circuit should be planned carefully as to the load that the circuit already supports. Not to mention what type of circuit you want to tap into. GFI circuits protect kitchens, baths, and garages. Those are ones traditionally subject to more loads and hazards than other circuits. So why do you need another outlet? And why are you thinking of originating it from an existing circuit rather than an all new dedicated circuit?...See More12A vacuum cleaner causes 15A AFCI to trip
Comments (7)Your vacuum pulls 12amps...but it isn't the only thing on the circuit. The other things plugged into the circuit are causing the overload when the vacuum is in use. This should stop once the OTHER THINGS are unplugged while vacuuming. The other reason this can happen is OLD WIRING. Some wires are very efficient and work just fine with the maximum current being pulled (without tripping the breaker) and other wires are low efficiency which means they carry their own "load" which can help cause a breaker to flip. Just for fun, unplug EVERYTHING on that circuit and then use the vacuum. You should be trouble free....if you are NOT, then your electrical really, really, really needs updating...ASAP. It means your wires/breakers are so old they can't handle 12amps on a 15amp system. That is some scary stuff....See Moreground wire issue
Comments (10)The requirement to ground switches has only been in the NEC for about 15(?) years, long after receptacles. (They did not think it that important) You are really only protecting someone from touching a live cover plate screw if the switch breaks, at which time you should already know a problem needs to be fixed... With that said, I only ground previously wired switches when I am in the box for some other reason. I generally would not open up the box just to ground the switch. You could "make it like I drew in the second picture, but cutting the long ground wire, and adding a longer ground and attaching it to both the gfci and switch", but why? It is "allowed by code", but when it becomes easier to unhook both devices from the ground to replace the "middle" device, it kind of violates the intent of the code. "Does it have to hit the gfci or the switch first?" No. Unless you can predict which switch will go bad first and put it on the end of the wire. ;D You would accomplish the same thing by just leaving the long wire attached to the gfci, and adding a separate wire under the nut for the switch. They would then be easier to change out later if you ever need to....See Morebrickeyee
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