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jonathanf1968

old house cable wire fishing

17 years ago

Hello,

I'm living in the 18th century, over here. My house was built in 1791, essentially barn timberframe construction.

We've decided to take a leap forward and get cable TV. We actually have a cable modem, which my former electrician wired for us about five years ago. But the cable run from the basement, up to the attic on the third floor, and then down to an office on the second floor is the only cable wiring we've got. And those ends are not where our TVs are.

If only we could get wireless cable....

My big question is, is there any reason why I shouldn't try to run the new cable myself, as opposed to having an electrician do it? We got rid of our electrician because he was too quickly inclined to damage the house when doing various tasks. Like, we needed a 220 outlet for a new stove, and his impulse was to cut a hole in the 200+ year old wide-plank wood floor, rather than the plaster wall. I had to yell "Stop!" Maybe that makes me a high-maintenance client, but it's a major reason why I prefer to do as much as I can myself.

I asked another electrician, highly recommended, what it would cost to fish the wires, and he said it was impossible to say. It could be him and his buddy working a half day ($500) or even a full day ($1000), if the construction was difficult. This seems nuts to me. Is there something I'm missing? We're not going to spend $1000 to get cable.

To give you a lay of the land:

1. The cable service (which currently has some very basic channels) comes into the basement. It arrives at a splitter with three Outs. At least one of these is not in use. The splitter is in the northwest corner of the basement.

2. The two TVs are embarrassingly enormoustoo big for me to move. So, testing the service in the basement doesn't look like an easy possibility, for me.

3. There is a "chase" going from the basement to the second floor, or maybe even the attic (not sure if this is one continuous channel). It is in the middle of the east side of the house. A river of wires goes up that, emerging in a crawlspace at the center of the attic.

4. The primary TV is two floors above the basement, on the Southeast of the second floor.

5. The secondary TV is in a finished attic guest bedroom, south side of the house.

6. An ethernet connection runs from the attic room with the cable modem to an office on the 2nd floor (Southeast corner) that's across a hallway from the TV room.

My sense is that the second floor bedroom might require some expert fishing expertise that I don't have, but that the attic bedroom would be a relatively simple task. Just fish the wire from there into the crawlspace, down the chase to the basement, and then across the the splitter.

Is there any reason why this shouldn't be that simple?

Alternatively, since there is already a cable for the modem going into the north attic room, should I instead put some sort of splitter on the current outlet there, and then double back to the attic bedroom TV? Or does it need to be a unique line from the basement splitter?

And I assume that I just buy coaxial cable for it. Anything to consider, regarding this or other necessary hardware? Does a 50-foot length sound right (for just one connection)?

I imagine that the worst that could happen is that I can't figure out how to fish the wire down the chase, and then call the electrician to bail me out.

Ideally, we'd have cable in both rooms, eventually. Just the attic bedroom would be a good start. But looking forward to having both wired, please let me know if there's anything I should be considering.

Any advice would be helpful.

--Jonathan

Comments (7)

  • 17 years ago

    I'd get a good quality (RG6 quad shield) cable and connectors (you can buy a crimper for small $ to attach them). Also get good splitters that have only the number of ports that you need (one marked for up to 1GHz (1000MHz) or more).

    Yes you can split one that has been split.

    Try to minimize the lengths but you don't have to go crazy over it. The length isn't as important as using decent cable and splitters. Buying the bulk cable and putting the ends on will make it easier to pull (no connectors to be snagged on things or be pulled off).

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    It's better to not split it multiple times, and it sounds like the splitter in the basement serves no purpose, so I'd remove that splitter, and split the cable in the attic.

    But... where does the second output from the current splitter go?

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    > where does the second output from the current splitter go?

    That is a fascinating question. Thanks for asking, prompting me to take a look.

    There are three outs.

    - One of them them goes upstairs to the shark fin cable modem in my office.

    - One was a wire to nowhere, likely for when the previous owners had a TV on the first floor, which we do not.

    - One is a mystery. It goes to a black modem marked Touchstone Telephony Modem (Arris). There don't seem to be any wires coming out of this, and I'm not exactly sure what it is.

    My guess is that a couple years ago, we briefly signed up for a package cable modem/telephone service, but the quality was so bad that we canceled it after a couple weeks. I wonder if we got a free modem when we signed up for that, and they never removed it? It remains plugged in, ready for action. I'm tempted to unplug it to confirm that it doesn't affect my Internet service.

    So, the service from outside should not go to a splitter, it should just connect to the cable that goes up the chase to my office, right? As in, I really just need a simple connector/coupler, not a splitter.

    Upstairs, the current cable terminates in a wall outlet with one connection for the coaxial cable and two for Ethernet ports (only one of which I use). Does a wall unit exist that is also a splitter? Basically, a coaxial out in the back?

    Or do I cut the cable before it gets to this wall outlet, and split it to the attic bedroom? And again, planning for the future, should I just use the old basement splitter, which will have an extra Out for the day I decide to fish another wire to the 2nd floor TV room?

    So, the attic splitter would be:

    - In from the street (actually two coupled cables)
    - 1 Out to the cable modem
    - 1 Out to the attic TV
    - 1 Out open, for future routing to the 2nd floor TV room

    Thanks so much,

    --Jonathan

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I really just need a simple connector/coupler, not a splitter.

    Yes.


    So, the attic splitter would be:
    - In from the street (actually two coupled cables)
    - 1 Out to the cable modem
    - 1 Out to the attic TV
    - 1 Out open, for future routing to the 2nd floor TV room

    I would use the minimum-size splitter for the current needs. Extra outputs are a potential source of noise. Even if using a 4-way, I'd replace the old one with a new one. They degrade over time especially in a basement and they're only a couple bucks. If using a 4-way cap the unused output with a proper terminator.


    Upstairs, the current cable terminates in a wall outlet with one connection for the coaxial cable and two for Ethernet ports (only one of which I use). Does a wall unit exist that is also a splitter? Basically, a coaxial out in the back?

    If there is enough room in the box you can probably put a splitter in there, but then you have to go back up the wall to get to the other rooms anyway.

    Hard to say exactly what I'd do without seeing your house, but I'd probably be putting the splitter in the attic. If there's enough slack in the current cable then you could cut it in the attic and put new ends on it there. If not, then you could pull the existing cable up into the attic (if it's loose in the wall), pulling a new cable along with it.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Thanks again.

    Some success here. I got the splitter (one in, two outs) installed in the attic and cut the wire as suggested (center of attic, close to where it came out into the crawl space). The Internet works (as evidenced by this post), as does the TV.

    The TV only seems to run channel 2, off the cable modem service. Not sure why this is; I'm guessing that I need some sort of box from the cable company to change channels? The TV channel switches don't have any effect.

    For the cable wire itself, I used the old "cable to nowhere" I found in the basement, off the old splitter (still in service, as it's not urgent that I replace it).

    So, the next step is to determine whether I can fish the wires from the attic down to the second floor TV room. I've never fished wires. Is this likely beyond me? Are there any tools I should get or tips I should know about to make my chances of success more likely?

    What's cool now is that at least we can get one TV set up with cable. That's a big step.

    --Jonathan

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    The channel issue is figured out! Now, it's just about fishing.

  • 17 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Fishing a coax cable from an attic to a 2nd floor room in a modern stick-frame house is a piece of cake.

    Don't know what kind of walls you have, so might not be so easy in your house.

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