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questionable fabricator of our soapstone counter tops

14 years ago

Hello all,

The last couple of weeks I've been researching my brains out about whether or not I'm in the right or the wrong with my knowledge on soapstone vs. my fabricator's knowledge on soapstone. My wife and I live in Boston and we picked out beautiful minas slabs from Dorado Soapstone in Shrewsbury. They couldn't have been more helpful with information on the properties of soapstone. We then arranged with our fabricator that we wanted a seam at the sink as we will have about a 90" stretch running under our cabinets that we wanted to make sure wasn't interrupted by a seam. We received no warnings or suggestions at this time other than the fact that we would have to use a crane in order to get the large piece up to our 3rd floor condo. We were fine with that since our fridge didn't fit either and we would have to use a crane anyhow.

To our surprise, and complete disappointment, the seam was not located at the sink as we asked when the counter tops arrived for delivery. This was a complete surprise to our contact at the fabricator. She insisted at least having the pieces installed to see if we like it before we just have it returned. She insisted that the seam will not be noticeable at all and we will be completely satisfied.

We aren't. The seam is truly obvious as there is a white line going all the way up the stone regardless on how much oil is applied at the area (which she said would help it disappear).

For starters, I would love feedback on whether or not this is actually a good seam. Furthermore, it is very obvious of the location just by running my hand over the stone as well. Since this is the only seam my wife and I have seen with our eyes, it's tough to know if we are in the right here.

So after our disappointment of the seam being moved, we decided to make them replace the two pieces of our counter tops and have the seam moved to our sink where we originally wanted it. We feel if we are paying over 10% of our overall cost of our kitchen/bath renovation on simply the counter tops, then it should be one of the pieces of the project that should be perfect. The fabricator has now changed their stance on the situation claiming that "soapstone it is a very porous stone and the water could make the seam softer causing maybe water penetration issues". They feel that if a seam is installed at the sink, then there is a good chance that it will crack or break over time. Now they want us to sign a letter to allow them to not be blamed for a poor job with installing a sink seam because they don't have the proper equipment to do so. All of this has come up AFTER they have already made a mistake with the seam to begin with. Also, they never had a problem with installing a sink seam until now (again, AFTER they messed up the first time). In this letter they also claim "ON SOAPSTONE SEAMS ARE NOT USUALLY DONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SINK". (Yes, they caps-ed the whole line to ensure we saw this)

So my question is this: are they correct, or are they just inexperienced and aren't willing to admit it, but instead are trying to find a reason to be able to do a poor job? From what I've read and researched, sink seams are very common and are preferred by soapstone fabricating specialists. I do know that their theory on permeability is BS since people fabricate entire sinks out of soapstone, which we are only attaching a stainless steel undermount. Here's a picture of the sink area for anyone who needs a visual to help answer the question.

Thanks in advance to anyone who responds!

Comments (10)

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Florida Joshua installed our soapstone in May. We have a seam in our sink . . . . that you can't find. People have to search to find the 3 seams in our stone, because they are hard to see/feel. He used a black epoxy, it looks like your fabricator used white?

    And the bit about soapstone being porous and the water seeping in? Puhlease. False.

    Here's my sink. The seam is in the lower left hand side of the sink, about 3 inches in. Good luck trying to find it. This is freshly oiled.

    This is 3 months after install. We aren't oilers. As you can see, not having the stone oiled doesn't affect seeing the seam.

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Usually, the epoxy should be lighter if you are not planning on oiling the counter and darker if you are oiling so it blends more.

    Can you try a sharpie to see if that makes it disappear. I have to use a sharpie in some of my deeper gouges and it completely hides it. They have dark grey sharpies too.

    As far as location, my seam is also at my sink. And the porous comments are just weird, as soapstone is one of the most nonporous stones out there, hence their use in labs for decades.

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Thank you for your comments! That is pretty much what I expected, but I needed to hear it first hand from soapstone owners. I will try out the sharpie fix and probably sand it down a little as well since I discovered in my research that sanding is normally part of the installing process on the seams. They neglected to do that. My wife and I can completely feel the seam with our hand.

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I have soapstone counters that I got from Dorodo in Shrewsbury. I have 2 seams by my sink. Who did your fabrication?

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I think that since they have now informed you that they do not have the right equipment, then they should arrange for someone who does to install your sink or to rent the proper equipment (all at no further cost to you). The time to tell you that fact was before you hired them and not after they botched the first try.
    It is called lack of proper disclosure and I bet they would be on the hook legally if it came to that....

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I didn't use Select Stone - so I guess I'm no help. Hope you can find a satisfactory resolution. Maybe Florida Joshua will chime in, or you could e-mail him from his gardenweb home page.

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    smockaveli, I disagree with cleo regarding the lighter epoxy. It should always be darker. A clear black or transparent black is best.

    It looks like they tried to match the veins up on the seam. The seam is also as you can tell matched to the grey tones of the stone, not the oiled look. As most on this forum know, this is a common mistake that granite guys make. I just refinished a job in Tampa that the seam was tinted light green. . .kinda sad, but it is what it is. Homeowner did the research about soapstone after she had put a down on the stone.

    You can email us anytime if you have any questions.

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I defer to Joshua completely since I think he installed my counters for Bucks County back in the day before the move to Florida.

    Sorry!

  • 14 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    All good, no harm done. One big thing about keeping a good seam is how tight you get the seam. Soapstone is one of those stones that breaks alot of rules as far as fab work goes.