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Damp or wet listed pendant in bathroom, 9" from shower door

10 years ago

I've read the code but am still having trouble determining whether or not a wet or damp listed pendant that hangs around 9" from a glass shower door would meet code. Your expertise would be much appreciated.

Comments (17)

  • 10 years ago

    If the door will hit it in at any point, then no. Otherwise it should be outdoor/wet rated and GFCI protected.


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  • 10 years ago

    Thanks so much for the prompt posting. I should have said that the portion of the shower door near the pendant is stationary.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Unfortunately, the information above is wrong.

    First, you only need WET rated if the shower spray can hit it.

    If it is within 3' horizontally and 8' vertically of the shower stall threshold it needs to be at least DAMP rated. The threshold is the part you can step over into the shower. If you are hanging down below 8' above the shower threshold and with 3' of where the (opening of the) door is, it MUST be damp rated.

    While you haven't given quite enough information to tell, it sounds to me that a DAMP rated fixture is required here.

    GFCI protection is ONLY required when the manufacturer requires it. However wet rated fixtures almost certainly will require it. Damp rated fixtures/trims may or may not.

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  • 10 years ago

    The fixture is definitely within the "damp" zone. And while the shower spray would not ordinarily hit the fixture, the base of the fixture is about 2' from the shower head with no glass separating them. I suppose there is the potential that the showerhead would leak.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Last I checked 9" is way less than 3 ft. NO PART of a pendant (even if damp/wet rated) shall be located within a zone 3 ft horizontally and 8 ft vertically......

    The damp and wet ratings only apply to fixtures that ARE allowed in that zone, such as recessed, flush/surface mount ceiling fixtures, and securely mounted wall fixtures.

    410.10 Luminaires in Specific Locations

    (D) Bathtub and Shower Areas. No parts of cordconnected luminaires, chain-, cable-, or cord-suspended luminaires, lighting track, pendants, or ceiling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900 mm (3 ft) horizontally and 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the space directly over the tub or shower stall.

    Luminaires locate within the actual outside dimension of the bathtub or shower to a height of 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower threshold shall be marked for damp locations, or marked for wet locations where subject to shower spray.

  • 10 years ago

    hjs said; "The fixture is definitely within the "damp" zone."

    If you read carefully, the damp zone is ONLY "Luminaires locate within the ACTUAL outside dimention of the bathtub or shower"

  • 10 years ago

    Err on the side of safety.

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  • 10 years ago

    Hmmm...I may have misled you. The light portion of the pendant fixture will probably hang around where the "securely mounted wall luminaire" appears in the diagram you inserted, Fred S. Looks as if I may have to forget about the pendant. Am I reading the code correctly?

  • 10 years ago

    Does this make it any clearer?



  • 10 years ago

    Thank you fred... I concur. In the case of a non bathtub the line formed by the top of the tub is the level of the door threshold in a shower.

    I was wrong, the pendent is almost certainly illegal no matter how it was rated.

  • 10 years ago

    The diagram is very helpful. I'm going to insert a (rough) drawing of our bath. The wiring is already installed. I'm wondering if we can put any kind of light in the location nearest the shower. I wonder why the electrician didn't think this would be a problem.


  • 10 years ago

    Good advice to follow up for clarification. I assumed the glass would not go to the ceiling, but I can see that would make a difference. I will find out. Thank you for your input!

  • 10 years ago

    Aussie laws are very strict on these things. In one apartment bathroom, my electrician would not install the crystal chandelier I had bought. In my current bathroom, the electrician couldn't find a place far enough from water to install an electric towel rail heater, so again I had to forgo that.

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  • 10 years ago

    So, for clarification, I would assume that if the final design is such that you CAN use a pendant there, then it would also, not need to be damp rated.

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  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    I would err on the side of safety and get at least a damp rated due to high humidity. If shower spray could hit it in any way I would get a wet rated. I would not care what code said and choose the better option if there is one. This seems to be one of those gray areas where if you only did up to code it may not be good enough in this application.

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  • 10 years ago

    I would run the glass right up to the ceiling.

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