tcufrog

What you learned from living in your current home...

tcufrog
July 2, 2015

It's interesting how often I see people mention that something they've done with the design of the home they're building is in reaction to the home they're currently living in. That's how it is with us. A lot of the home design is an attempt to remedy problems we have with our current house.

What design/construction elements are there because you're attempting to improve upon something you dislike about somewhere you previously lived?

In our case the biggest issues we're addressing are problems with layout/flow of the current house, problems with the lack of energy efficient design principles used by the builder of our current house and the high maintenance cost of the current house. To that end we drew up a detailed list of requirements for the floorplan including a first floor mother-in-law suite (she's having trouble climbing stairs at our house after a knee replacement) and the kitchen next to the garage, laundry room, patio, and mud room. We also chose a builder who has a proven track record for designing energy efficient homes and I've been researching xeriscaping (Our lawncare bills are ridiculous. We can't mow our lawn because of our allergies so we have to hire mowers.) along with which building and decorative materials will work well for our decor style and will be easy/inexpensive to maintain.

Comments (37)

  • cpartist

    We are currently in a condo that we gutted five years ago. We did most of what we wanted in the condo. However there are some things we can't have in the condo and some things we would change. And some is based on living in homes for most of my adult life. Considering I'm at the age when most of my friends are retiring, that's a long time. LOL

    What we can't have in the condo is the ability to barbecue, garden, or just walking out the door to jump in the pool. (we're in FL.) or just go in the garage to get in the car and go.

    things we'd change from our condo?

    More lights in the bathrooms, my studio and in the kitchen and better placed.

    Curbless shower and one that isn't quite so large. Ours is 6' x 3'.

    Making sure to include room near the shower for towels. Oops! LOL.

    A smaller tub without jets. (we'll be having an outdoor jetted spa)

    Did I say more lights? LOL.

    Induction cooktop. I didn't go with one in the condo because induction heats with magnets and DH has a pacemaker. 5 years ago, they were not sure how it would affect a pacemaker. However now we've been told by the pacemaker company it's perfectly safe as long as DH keeps the area with the pacemaker at least 6" from the cooktop when it's working.

    An outlet in the toilet closet. (I read my Ipad in there and leave it there where the battery wears down. If I had a place to plug it in there, I would.)

    Heated bathroom floor. Even though we are in FL when it's cold outside, it is cold stepping onto a tile floor.

    Larger great room.

    New windows (the condo windows are original to 1982 and the board refuses to replace them)

    Like you, I will do natural plantings that are native to the area. Very little grass. Only enough for the dog to have a run area in back. By doing natural plantings I shouldn't have to worry about watering.

    Also making the home energy efficient. the condo isn't and when it's cold the wind and cold come in the windows. When hot, the area by the windows are steaming hot.

    We are looking into solar but that will depend on cost.




  • mushcreek

    It would take a long response to list all that was wrong with our old house!

    First of all- location. We went from 1/6th of an acre to 7. Changed the FL climate for a mild 4 season climate. No more HOA rules. Cut our cost of living significantly- lower taxes, insurance, and utilities. Of course, many can't (or don't want to) change location.

    For the hot FL climate, the house was oriented poorly. The porch, facing west, was unusable much of the year.

    The kitchen was tiny, far from windows, was in a major traffic flow area, had only 4 drawers, and the ceiling was lowered (WHY would you lower a kitchen ceiling?!?)

    Most of the rooms had only one window, putting closets on the outside walls instead.

    Very little storage, with no attic or basement. Closets were minimal.

    Useless dining room area, with traffic coming from 4 different rooms.

    Unforgiving concrete floors.

    Too many too-small rooms.

    The garage was too small to actually park two cars.

    8' ceilings. It makes such a difference to have 9'+ ceilings.

    Popcorn ceilings- Ugh!

    Our old house had no insulation in the walls, barely R-19 in the attic, and single pane windows. The HVAC ductwork was in the 135 degree attic. Summer power bills ran $300 with the A/C set at 78 degrees.

    Shoddy construction, wiring, plumbing.

    The house had no charm- just a standard 1980 tract home, jammed in with 100's of similar/identical houses.

    In our new house, which is nearing completion, we have addressed all of those issues, possibly going a bit overboard, but we love it!


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    A small thing, based on experience - place the HVAC unit where the sound of it running has the least impact on how you live (e.g. outside spaces, living room, bedrooms).


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    My biggest thing and I say it in every post (seriously) is to think about using sound transmission products (drywall, green glue, under layment for flooring, etc). I like a quiet home and ours is not. :(

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    Mushcreek I wanted to message you but you don't have messaging on. :)

  • cpartist

    LL, I'm glad I'm downtown. I make the best dinner reservations! ;)

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    Lousy dinner reservations....but great views :)


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    Absolutely gorgeous LL.

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  • tcufrog

    Those are some great views cpartist and lavendar lass. I can see why you chose to live where you live.


    This isn't a very good photo of my lot. Since it's so wide there's no good way to get a full width photo without taking a panoramic shot. The rubble pile is where the house will go. My boys enjoy climbing it when we visit it. The covered patio, breakfast nook, great room and pool will overlook the usually dry creek and trees that bisect the lot and the master suite will be oriented to have a beautiful view of the trees on the right. Someone bought several wooded acres across the street, many of which aren't buildable. We're hoping that they'll keep at least a screen of trees for privacy.

  • mushcreek

    cpartist- I changed my settings for PM's. I don't see how to PM someone else, though.


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  • cpartist

    that lot looks beautiful tcufrog. I'm sure the rest is too.

    Unfortunately when we move we will lose those views. I'm hoping after we build and landscape the view out the back will be nice enough to enjoy all the time.

    the tradeoff is instead of being in a condo and having to abide by the decision of everyone, we can make our own decisions. Plus we can't barbecue in the condo and every time we need to take the dog out, it means an elevator ride to the street. there's no place for the dog to run and if we want to use the pool, it means a ride down and then up again in the elevator with wet bathing suits on.

    While I LOVE our neighbors and have made lots of friends in our building, and will miss our after dinner chats by the front desk, I also miss a lot of our privacy. So like everything in life, tradeoffs. Plus it's less than a 5 minute walk to the water to see the views.

  • tcufrog

    Thanks cpartist. It must be tough leaving such a beautiful place and such a friendly community. There's something to be said though for convenience and privacy. You should have a cookout though to celebrate as soon as you move in. I'm actually taking a break from getting ready for our annual Fourth of July cookout and pool party.

    I'm going to miss our location right between two major cities. We've got three wonderful parks within a mile of our house and the library system is wonderful. We're much too far from my boys' school and husband's business though. and the traffic keeps getting worse. The new home will be 10 easy minutes from the school and an easier commute to my husband's work. I'll miss the large backyard for my kids to run around in along with the log balance beam from when we had to cut down a tree and the play set with the swings the kids spend hours swinging on. I'm tired of the lack of privacy in the backyard and the street that's unsafe for my kids' to bike on solo. The new neighborhood will be a great place for them to bike and I'm hoping the woods around our house will appeal to my kids as they get older more than the playset would have.

  • cpartist

    the great thing about kids tcufrog is that they are adaptable. And I'm sure being closer to their school will be a great help to you plus it might inspire more play dates. And think of less land as less to maintain. ;) Our lot is only 6100 sq feet. Just enough for the pool, some green for a narrow strip for the dog to run (she's only 10 lbs), and enough room to have lots of friends over!

    Have a great 4th party.

  • tcufrog

    cpartist....

    You are very wise. We will actually have a lot more land ( .75 acres now and 1.7 when we move) but most of it will be wooded or left as a prairie. Most of what little landscaping we will do will be xeriscaping. In the spring there was a major reprieve in our multiyear drought but it's unknown whether it's over. I think it would be wasteful to have a huge lawn given the circumstance. I think your yard sounds perfect.

  • cpartist

    I am a firm believer in xeriscaping no matter where you live. When I lived in my house on .33 of an acre, I made sure that anything I planted did not need to be watered with an regularity and we believed that as long as the grass looked green we didn't care what was actually growing in it. LOL.

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