I planted heritage this summer in a part of my garden that gets a fair amount of shade and it's blooming very well and has no mildew or BS.

Thanks Michaela, I have heritage in a sun dappled spot and she is doing well but I'm looking for something with a bit more pizzazz since this garden is a ways from the house so it needs a bit of punch!

Oops didn't see that sorry dear!

It's okay. I still appreciate the help :-)

Have you checked out any hybrid musks? A number of them tolerate part shade and they are lovely shrubs, usually disease-resistant and easy-care. My Buff Beauty always gets compliments. My newer Felicia is my current favorite. And I just planted Cornelia this summer, but it hasn't bloomed yet.

There are many other HMs also. They are large, so they would be in the back row.

Kate

Since you wanted a bright color the hybrid musk Nur Mahal may fit your specifications. There are also several rugosas that have a purplish red color such as Hansa, Purple Pavement, Roseraie del Hay (sp?) and several others.

Kate, how often do HMs flower? I want something that will flower throughout the season, hence the modern shrub roses.

Ingrid-thanks for the Rugosa suggestion but I'm not a big fan of these since I want something that will flower more often and be more showy.

I looked up both Buff beauty and Nur Mahal but both , at least according to HMF, get huge. They sure are pretty though :-)

All my shade-tolerant roses are humongous. Most are hybrid musks-- Cornelia, Vanity, Lyda Rose and Lavender Dream. I also have Darlow's Enigma which sure looks like a hybrid musk.

Rugosas would be nice and cold-hardy for you but IMHO their shade tolerance is a myth. Hansa, Wildberry Breeze and Wild Spice all refused to bloom, or even grow for that matter! Also lost a whole planting of Purple Pavement (another rugosa) in part shade; that happened in a public garden where I volunteer.

Ah, how about a Buck rose-- Earth Song and Carefree Beauty are standouts. Only the latter has any reputation for shade tolerance tho.

Might be worth trying the Kordes shrubs Westerland or Autumn Sunset; they sprawl but would give you that bright pop of color, and are vigorous enough to compete with the trees. Most of the older Kordes shrubs are very cold-hardy but look 'em up to be sure!

Oh, and the Fairy. Good bloomer and a tough little rose. She can be a spreader or more upright; like a lot of very old roses there seem to be a couple different varieties out there...

PS I garden in coastal Virginia 8A but grew roses for many years in z6, south central Ohio.

Hi Kate, I'm looking for a couple of climbers and then the rest about 3-4 feet tall and wide or smaller even and something that repeat blooms as opposed to a once bloomer. The Knockouts are definitely dead. They were grafted and even the graft didn't survive. These have never been super cane hardy here but always managed to survive until last winter. I love the cheery color of the original red KO rose but like you am looking for something a bit less common. Almost all of my Austins are black spot disasters and I don't really want to spray if I can find a more disease resistant rose that will work. The Kordes I have have been great so far for disease resistance so these or Easy elegance would be my preference. Eutin sounds intriguing. I'm looking for semi double or double. they don't need a 100 petals like Austins but something a bit full 35 petals or so. Not too much to ask, right?

Barbarag- I have had Rugosas but were not that thrilled with them. Polareis got huge but didn't flower much in this location although the one I had planted in the front garden was huge and put on a lovely show in the spring and smelled heavenly, but no repeat bloom.

I've read some of the Kordes do well in some shade including Brothers Grimm. I guess more experimenting is in order for next spring.

About the KOs that didn't survive winter--KOs should be tougher than that. Did you bury the graft an inch or two below the soil line? In our Zone 6, the graft needs that protection. If the graft freezes/dies, the rose dies.

Kate

For what it's worth Lady of Shallot has been pretty disease resistant for me so far she's had a little black spot but no defoliation. I don't spray anything and disease pressure has been terrible this year. She gets about the same amount of sun as yours does. Mine gets dabbled early morning sun. Then sun from 9 am to maybe 2pm bright shade the rest of the day.

Last year she had many blooms in this spot. This year she has a nasty case of rose midge. So can't report on bloom.

I'm sorry I missed the Vanilla Strawberry part. LoS would not look well with them. How ever Heathcliff is listed as very hardy and healthy. I'll be trying that one this year. Princess Alexandra of Kent is new to me this healthy so far. Time will tell the story. Even thou she's pink I'm not sure she would stand out and be seen in that area.

Kate-The knockout was buried about 3 inches below grade and mulched on top. Maybe something else was the problem? I do like the regular Knockout more than the double but would try either for some color. The original was quite a few years old. Maybe it just had enough?? I would definitely get own root this go round.

HI Patty, I do have LOS in my front bed which does quite well in disease. I have PAOK. She is a blackspot nightmare this year. I think she might have 3 leaves left!! so I think I'm pretty much done with the Austin experiment even though I love his roses. I have a couple that have done very well though so I might just stick with those.

I've recently read that quite a few Kordes are light shade tolerant so I might try them in this spot. I already have Golden Gate, Brothers Grimm, Out of Rosenheim, Golden Fairy tale and some others so these could be candidates for this spot. The Vanilla Strawberry Hydrangeas are off to the sides so will be kind of a backdrop for the roses.

Kate and Patty, thanks again for all your help and suggestions. I'll keep doing more research to see what I can come up with.

Sharon

I have Golden Showers on the East side of my house and it is very happy there.

One of the reasons I picked it was because I read that it takes partial sun. I have no idea if it would be hardy enough for your zone.

ut2nc- thanks for this info. I'm not sure if it'd be hardy here. We were having very warm winters for about the last ten years or more to the point that our agricultural zone was updated to zone 6 but the last two were pretty cold. I've read that yellows are more tender than other color roses. I have Kordes Golden Gate which is a climber and is stated as partial shade. I guess I'll just have to see how it works. These are all own root and small so at least they'll be easy to transplant if they don't like their spot.

I'm certain you already now this. When looking for a newer Kordes rose check new flora for disease resistance. So far it has matched my garden experience fairly well. Sizes of roses has not done as well. Have you looked at 150 disease resistant rose for the garden yet. That was a good read.

I know this is not anyones idea of a stand out shrub but she shines day and night. She is healthy and covered in flower from spring till snow knocks her down. Good visibility from a distance stands around 3' x 3'. A little more if extra fertilizer is applied. Would look great with VS and your climbers. The shrub rose is White Out ( I know I know ). But honestly it is a stand out from a distance and up close.

That picture was from spring she's about 15" tall then. Here she is as winter approaches. A little grouping of three in front of the climbers. Seriously thou white is a very visible long distance color. There are others that are larger. Forgot to mention that she receives quite a bit of shade where she sits.

Hi Patty, I actually bought Peter's book as a preorder from Amazon after reading about him and his book in Fine Gardening. I gave him his very first Amazon review and got a very sweet thank you note from him! I love the book and he seems to be very realistic and non biased in his assessment of a rose's performance when guaging his assessments against the few roses I already had like Easy Elegance 'Centennial' and 'Julia Child'. I had purchased several roses prior to his book and was happy to see that many I purchased came highly recommended by him. I have 2 'Poseidon' and these so far have bloomed nicely and are very healthy, and performing as he stated. We both garden in same zones and similar conditions although he is more coastal ME and I'm more inland MA. I would love to see his gardens but don't know if they're open to the public. He's only about 2 hours from me so it would be great to meet him and discuss roses with someone who is so knowledgeable.

Whiteout is interesting. I just bought (against my better judgement since it's so late in the season) 2 Radler Rambling Red Climbers from High Country Roses (gallon size so hoping they'll be well established) 2 own root Double Pink Knockout Roses and 2 Livin Easy from a vendor on Etsy. Keep your fingers crossed that we have a loooong fall, lol. It's always a gamble here on when old man you know who will arrive!

Sharon

You'll have to report back on how disease resistant Rambling Red is in the east.

BTW, several years ago I did a trade with somebody, and received a 6 inch tall John Cabot in November. I planted it, left it alone, and it is currently about 8 ft tall. So if a rose is truly hardy, planting in the fall is totally doable.

thanks for the vote of confidence Mad!! I've never bought anything this late in the year, not even perennials so I'm hoping it's not a mistake. Someone on the forum from TN stated that her ramblin red was pretty much disease free and going on 8 years. So fingers crossed it will do well here. The original Knock Out and Ramblin Red share pollen from Razzle Dazzle and Henry Kelsey, a Kordes introduction so hoping that's the family tree it needs to keep her healthy.

Henry Kelsey is an Explorer climber that blackspots rather badly. At this point, it isn't widely grown for that reason.

You do understand you don't live in the midwest, right? It's quite a different world there, disease-wise.

I do understand I don't live in the midwest but until you grow something I guess you don't know how it will do in our area. Someone from east TN grows Ramblin Red in her no spray garden with health and vigor. I believe that Tennessee has high black spot pressure, maybe not the same strains as mine but black spot none the less.

TNY78(7a-East TN)

My
favorite climber is a red climber....Ramblin Red! Wonderful rose!
Vigorous, disease free in my no spray garden, and blooms all the
time...love it!

Tammy
Several others have stated it is quite hardy and HMF rates it as extremely disease resistant. So all that I can do is consider the various data and take a chance since no one in my state or neighborhood appears to be growing it.

Sharon

Winner's Circle is doing well for me as a climber despite a horrible location and almost no care. It is on the north side of my house with only morning sun. It is shaded by huge mature trees and my house as well as my neighbors. I might fertilize it with some organic knock out fertilizer in spring if I remember. It doesn't get watered. Yet it survives and I even get a flush or two of blooms. It would probably do really well in your location with a lot more sun and what looks like much better soil.