Thanks much. I am curious to see how this 110v washer handles heating the water and also how well it rinses which is very important to me. I also want to know how it handles stains. Thanks for the information.

@Jerrod

Alright washed a few towels just for you on the sanitize setting.

First video is a little bit after the start of the cycle.

Second video shows the main wash with lots of suds.

Third video is the first rinse, after this it drains the tub and spins a bit.

Last video shows the second rinse before it once again drains the tub then spins at 1600rpm.

Not sure if the suds shown in the last two videos are from the ultraphase II detergent or left over soap on the rags. The phone app says that the first two videos occured during the "main phase" and the second two during the "rinse."

Hope this kind of answers your questions, one of those rags has been stained for awhile now and not surprisingly was stained coming out. Awhile back I spilled a bunch of coconut oil on some pants that it was able to wash out when I used the sanitize setting, I was pretty impressed by that.

Coming from a GE Profile top load from 2006 with a 4.6cuft capacity, these new Miele units at 2.3cuft are half the capacity. We wash towels once a week (3 bathrooms) all in one load in the GE and it holds them all and comes out clean. With a smaller unit, it looks like it would have to be done in 2-3 separate loads.

My other issues is that the washer/dryer are located in the downstairs half-bath, and the toilet is in-front of the washer. This doesn't interfere with a top load washer, but I can see it being a possible issues with front loads, as opening the door would have to be higher than the toilet seat (in it's closed position). I've seen other townhouse units in here with front load washers, but end up having to elevate them (pedestal).

Thanks very much gritsnconecuh

That is a bit too much suds for me, but there is not a full load of clothes in the machine. I think these are designed to wash 17.5 pounds and are expected to be filled to the top, so the detergent amount setting is where you get to adjust how much detergent you want dispensed. When fully loaded with dirty clothes the suds may dissipate in the wash.

Seems to be using adequate water in the rinses so I am happy about that.

In your prior post you gave the temperatures in C. Are you located in Canada?

Again thanks so much for taking the time to make these videos and posting them.

@gritsnconecuh and others,

What does the results of the sanitize cycle look like? Supposedly the w1 can sanitize or reach temperature up to 170F. I am skeptical how any 120V washers can reach and sustain that temperature? Hopefully the real results are not dumb downed.

@Jerrod

We're actually switching to the metric system in Alabama. Crazy I know we're leading the way!

@H Seattle

I'll get the IR gun out and see how hot it actually gets next time I run some rags. I do have the washer on hot and cold water lines.

In the settings for your machine I think there is one that sets maximum rinse level. The manual says it is important for those who suffer from allergies or something like that. I am curious what the difference in water level would be between the normal rinse level and maximum rinse level. I have a feeling there would not be much difference to see when using the normal cycle since it is the one that the energy ratings are based on.

Guys, I have a family of six, how do the Miele W1 compared to a large Samsung FlexWash FlexDry series? I can’t compare the size because Miele doesn’t list the size the same way the other manufacturers do.

Will the Miele also limit the type of soap I can use? I do find those tide pods convenient.

@Mark -- Miele drum size will be smaller. If you have the room, maybe consider a dual stack of the W1/T1?

I'm pretty sure Miele is 2.2-2.4cu/ft

I feel like I have no options, I’m not going to double stack just to stay with Miele products, the only Hong I’m seeing on the market to satisfy a large family of 6 like mine is the Samsung FlexWash / FlexDry, or similarly model of LG, am I missing another large alternative in the Bosch line or another high quality manufacturer?

Read this article, it might help:

How to Buy the Best Front Load Washing Machine

i think that Bosch bailed from the American sized laundry a few years ago - the Koreans were killing them.

The Miele is probably too small for a family of 6 as you you would always be doing laundry. Even their Little Giant (with its faster cycle times) would be too low capacity

The capacity to load the Miele machines is superior to what I’ve heard about the Samsung machines. If you’re anything like me, and have the room, you could get some old used Mieles, put them in the basement, and have a laundromat. I have 3 sets total,, lol. I have a set (that more than meets the needs of 3 people) on my main floor. And 2 used sets that I found and placed in my basement. I wash all my towels and DH dirty farming clothes down there. One of my machines can go to 190f and I use for white dirty farm hand towels. I’m sort of a freak though, and love machines. I have made some easy repairs on one of the basement sets, (that I paid next to nothing for). The parts aren’t cheap. But it was a fun project. I’m thinking @jerrod has an old machine like ( or similar vintage) to mine in the basement.

@enduring , 2 Mieles ? Does it clean as well as the little giant washer?

I always wonder the quality and performance of the w1 vs little giant ?

if I’m gonna spend that much amount of money to reach level of cleanliness , is the little giant worth it more than the w1?

I believe the Little Giant washer is 220/240V 30A (correct me if wrong), but the W1 is regular 120V 15A.

@seattle, I have 3 sets, one is about 4 years old and the other 2 are getting real old. The 2 washers in my basement are the w1918 model. They are 15amp, 240v. I dont know much about the Little Giant. I don’t think you can get cleaner clothes than that produced by my sets.

So a 240v american dryer outlet does not nesscarilry imply 30 amp?

In US, circuit breaker is mostly 120V at 15A or 20A, and 240V is 20/30/40/50A depending on it's use. High heat items (Stove, Dryer, Water Heater) are usually on a 240V 40A or 50A breaker (single phase).

I believe a US dryer is on a 30amp/240v. But my w1918 washers and T1515 dryers are made in Europe and they are on 15amp. So the electrician set up a 30 amp breaker and split it between the 2 outlets for each stack. So I have 2, 30amp breakers, split between 4 outlets for my basement washer/dryer sets. Upstairs, with my newish set I have only one 240v outlet for the dryer. The newer washer uses 110v. The newish T8003 dryer is 30amp/240v, like a typical US dryer, I believe.

For anyone that has been using the W1 washer with the TwinDos, does it have a strong sent/smell to it? I use the Tide Pods and Fabric Softener (both unscented) in my 2006 GE Profile top load, since I can't stand high scented detergents.

Also, @whirlpool_trainee mentioned above that other Miele washers in the past allowed for extra water fill durring the wash/rinse and adding extra rinse cycles. Does the W1 in the US allow for this, either through the regular menus or in the service menu?

My current and past Miele Dishwashers have a way to go into their service menu and active extra water fill, extra rinse cycle, and extended drying.

In the manual there is a setting called max rinse level that is supposed to increase the water in all rinses. I don't have the machine so cannot say how much the water level is increased.

There is an Extra Rinse option available but increasing the water level (aka Water Plus) has been eliminated from the user menu. It might be hidden in a service menu, though.

We might need a water minus option here in beautiful California.

http://www.wtvy.com/wrgx/content/news/New-California-law-limits-how-much-water-people-can-use-484555591.html

Can you "trick" a W1 washer to use a bit more water by selecting the "Dress Shirts" wash cycle option?

I happened to pass by Monark Appliances yesterday (where I've bought 2 Miele Dishwashers from before) and stopped in to see if they had th new Miele or Asko on display.

They did have the Miele W1 T1, but no Asko. Also had Electrolux 617 (floor model showed sold, no 627 yet), LG top load 7700 and 7600, Samsung front load, and Bosch Axxis. All had power, but the Bosch was connected to plumbing.

I look at them all for about 30 min, powered them on, and even though the Miele looks to be made well (and more expensive than I could pay since I just had to buy a new Miele dishwasher 2 months ago), my main concern is how small the tub is with only 2.2cuft. My GE top load is 3.5cuft, and when I wash the 3 bathroom's towels once a week, it is 80-90% full (as the 3 bathroom's: there are 6 large towels, 12 hand towels, 3 wash clothes, plus the 5-6 medium sized kitchen towels). So with a smaller Miele unit, I'd probably have to do 2-3 loads of towels instead of just one. Also not sure if my Cal King bed sheets would fit?

The Electrolux 617 next to it was 4.4cuft and I could definitely tell the size difference of the tub. Now I doubt Electrolux (made in Mexico) is made as well as Miele (Germany), but the 627 model is around $900, while the smaller Miele is $2000.

The LG top loads without the agitator are pretty pointless from the videos that I've seen, so not interested in them. Too bad they didn't have the LG 5.2 cuft front load on display.

The Bosch Axxis that was conducted to water is the same 2.2cuft as the Miele, so that pretty much rules them out as well.

My Miele is about 2 cu ft. I can wash all 6 bathroom towels I own with space left over. I could probably fit 2-4 more. It is most full when I wash my queen comforter (i.e. it doesn’t look like anything else can be added). Top loads cannot be stuffed the way front loads can. Cal king sheet set would fit no problems. I often do 4 towels + queen fitted + 2 pillow cases and there’s still space left over.

Don't know, but I have washed 4 towels in my w1986, I think 2.1 cu ft, without any problem, also 2 sets of queen sheets each with 4 pillow cases, and no problem. It will clean even with the tub completely full to the top.

@anoop

Do you mean 6 large bathroom towels, or all the towels from 6 bathrooms?

I have 3 bathrooms, so there are 6 large towels, 12 hand towels, 3 wash clothes, plus the 5-6 medium sized kitchen towels. I'm able wash all those at one time in my GE 3.5 top load.

I meant 6 bath towels, but I think you might be able to fit everything. See pic with 6 bath towels loaded into a 2 cu ft drum. These are not even compacted (i.e. packed tightly) . It's considered fine to compact with a front load, while compacting is not recommended with a top load. Once the load has been wet, there will be plenty of space for things to move around.

Does the GE measurement include or exclude the size of the agitator from the reported size? Often they don't subtract the volume of the agitator so the number is actually slightly overstated.

The spec sheet just says "Capacity: Large 3.5 cuft" so I'm not sure if that is taking into account the agitator (which is probably 1 cuft in volume).

It may be 3.5 total drum volume - agitator ≈ 2.5 usable

Or total drum volume - agitator = 3.5 usable volume, which would mean the drum volume is over 4 - agitator = 3.5.

Regardless, if/when the time comes to replace my GE, I would probably take towels and see if they fit into what I'm looking at buying.

Just know that not all machines are equal in terms of build quality. If you pack a Miele tightly, it does fine. I don't know if that would be the case with an LG. One would have to read the manual to see what they recommend.

I think this video may also be helpful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJlUsColfMo

It's my understanding that you can load a Miele drum full, but loosely, not compressed. The Little Giant manual, for one, says to load loosely.

http://laundry.reviewed.com/content/miele-wwh860-compact-washer-review

@whirlpool_trainee

Thanks for the link.

It looks like they haven't done the full testing on it yet, where they show the before and after results.

Also, I wonder why they gave the Electrolux a perfect 10.0 rating, higher than the Miele.

I’m pretty sure reviewed dot com is bias towards paid advertisers hence the perfect 10 score for the Electrolux.

Ya.... Electrolux's washing capability don’t come close to Miele. I’m not sure how a European company can produce a quality full size washers to match the compact ones in Europe .

It's just about programming, I think. I have a Duet - but it is made for the European market. It can heat from cold to 203°F, has short or very long cycles and can raise the water level three inches up the door on certain cycles.

Up until a few years ago, Miele did have a 27" 4cuft models in the US, but decided to pull them, probably because they weren't big sellers and was made specifically for the US.

Too bad the W1 isn't offered in a larger size.

My guess it would be hardware too, not just software. Europe tends to be more quality conscious and is willing to pay for it. US is more price sensitive and prefers size over quality.

My previous washer was a FL LG, and I had a heck of a time getting it to spin out a load full of bath towels. I defined a full load as around 9 thick bath towels, plus wash cloths and kitchen dishrags/towels. So it came down to me as not just capacity but what will the washer do with the load. You may be able to stuff a lot into a tub, but the verdict should be is the load washed, rinsed and spun properly? I found I had to use a slower spin and then had to reset the machine to spin again or it would take 80 minutes or longer to dry the towels. I know with my partner's Mom's Miele she can not do more than one set of sheets at a time. More just won't fit without cramming them in and what's the point in that? (She uses high quality, queen sheets for all beds).

Armjim,

I have three Mieles that accept laundry loads from 5kg to 6.5kg, similar to the current W3038. The W1 and T1 are larger than my current machine. I wash on a weekly basis three king sized sheets with pillow cases in my unit. My king sized flat sheets are 110"x120" on average (I don't use fitted sheets). These are mainly cotton sheets. I wash my linen sheets separately but I put two in the machine at one time and there is tons of room to spare. Spinning at 1200rpms has never been a problem. My older machines go up to 1400rpms.

For towels, I wash my large towels in my machines. I usually have two body sheets which are 900gsm turkish cotton and they are 36"x72" wide and about 25 face towels in one load. I wash my kitchen towels separately from body towels. I have never had an issue with the machine not balancing or not cleaning my clothes. There is still space left in the towel load but each family member does their own load of towels in their time. I use two towels a week and wash them in this frequency. Some others in the household wash weekly and stuff the machines to the gills. I have washed 9 pairs of denim jeans in one load with no problem. I wash weekly and sort by function and color. Because of this, my normal weekly loads are smaller. I don't use bath rugs but do you a towel based bath mat and these are washed with the towels or separately depending on me remembering to grab them from the bathroom when I sweep for dirty items.

I don't use comforters but use Duvets and Duvet covers instead. The Duvet covers are in sent to the cleaners twice a year because they are down and it is not easy to clean them correctly at home. I wash my duvet covers every week like a load of sheets. They act like two sheets in the washer. I also used cotton blankets and wash king sized cotton blankets in the washer on a monthly basis.

Good luck!

Is it possible to refill the twindos cartridges with other detergent/peroxide bleach? The concept is pretty cool, but the prices of the miele detergent is too high to use on a regular basis.

From what I had read, the TwinDos in Europe has containers that they make separate which you can fill yourself, then go into the Menu options and select that. But the US W1 TwinDos does not have that.

Refilling them should be possible if you can get into them. However, whatever you put in there will be dispensed during a normal wash, as you cannot set them to dispense detergent for delicates or softener.

As for hardware vs. software and US machines being capable of cleaning as well as European washers: both LG and Samsung sell a large capacity washer in Europe. The standard cycle that is used to rate energy usage (lowest possible) while achieving the highest cleaning rating (A class) takes 277 and 245 minutes respectively. Miele's standard cycle takes 179 minutes. The claimed capacity of the Korean washer's is 35 and 37 lbs. in a 4.5-ish cu.ft. drum. Miele claims 20 lbs.

As you can see, it is possible to get top cleaning performance out of a large (plastic fantastic) washer - you just have to tweak the parameters.

Not sure if I posted this before but this is a nice overview of the TwinDos (Europe version).

This video showed the user fillable TwinDos containers.

https://youtu.be/cVmezZKTCvQ

https://youtu.be/_ZA29XjsUug

Go to 4 min mark

Last I heard Miele had no plans making those refillable containers available in the USA. I'm sure you'd be able to buy them from Europe and they should fit.

Even though the refillable units may fit the US W1, people have said the menu options for selecting what is in there has been removed from the US version.