Great thread Straw. Will soon have something to post here

A friend gave me a red bloom which lasted long in the vase and smelled strong like cherry/raspberry pie. She doesn't know its name, so I searched on HMF for "raspberry scent" and found 2 red roses: Love's Promise and Veteran's Honor, with Love's Promise having a stronger scent. I had Firefighter (Hacienda) and it was a woman's perfume scent. After asking the nursery & plus many people report that Veteran's Honor only has a light scent or no scent. I think that red bloom was Love's Promise. see below:

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=18080&tab=1

Khalid: I went back to your thread where you posted the "unknown" red rose, and I double-check your foliage .. it better matches with Love's Promise .. so I don't think it's Veteran's Honor (light green). Love's Promise has the typical French Meilland leaves: darker green. All the French Meilland roses I bought have very strong scents & prefer alkaline clay ... so my friend's bloom got to be Love's Promise.

Below excerpt in HMF is about Veteran's Honor rose:

20 SEP 06 byJohn Moody " I purchased an own root from J&P two years ago. That first year it was a bit slow on the uptake while it established itself. However, this year it has taken off and is bigger and even produces more blooms than my four year old grafted bush from J&P that I am sure is on Dr. Huey rootstock." John Moody, zone 5.

We,call both below Lokelani but pretty certain they are completely different:

two Scentimental buds

Bolero own root (has tried to bud out more than Heirloom Roses' Happy Child and Eden/New Dawn)

My everblooming Distant Drums

Tahitian Sunset

Summer Love succumbing to rot or something (any suggestions would be helpful ) :(

Msgirl: THANK YOU for those pics. of your favorite roses. Lokelani is so pretty !! It might be Monsieur Tilier: http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.4360

Your sentimental have such healthy foliage !! Black-cane, or canker is from acidic & soaking wet medium. Some options: sprinkle wood ash, drill holes on the side for better drainage, or start own-root cuttings. Dr. Huey-rootstock rots when the soil is too wet or too acidic. I would start some own-root cuttings in a terracotta pot (use 1/2 perlite with 1/2 non-peat potting soil).

All 6 of my roses in a wet bed lost their Dr.Huey ... they grew their own roots since I buried them 4 inch. below ground, then topped with 6 inch. of soil.

Really love the 8-min exercise, 3-times a day to jump start my metabolism. Lots of time I meant 8 min, but ended up 2-hours cleaning, or 1/2 hour in the garden. Below video is 8-min of ab-exercise. One needs a firm-exercise mat for back support. I have such, it's very useful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBFdBnIbZRo

Straw: Thanks for searching the red rose. it is again growing shoots and I will post the pics.

msdorkgirl: lovely roses. Your distant drums is a lovely shade. How is the fragrance?

Did some searches on happiness, and found quotes which agree with what I found: Happiness depend on what I do, rather than what I get from others.

“Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.”
― Dalai Lama XIV

To give so much time to the improvement of yourself
that you have no time to criticize others. Christian D. Larson

“They say a person needs just three things to be truly happy in this world: someone to love, something to do, and something to hope for.”
― Tom Bodett

“It's not the load that breaks you down, it's the way you carry it.”
― Lou Holtz

“You need to learn how to select your thoughts just the same way you select your clothes every day. This is a power you can cultivate. If you want to control things in your life so bad, work on the mind. That's the only thing you should be trying to control.”
― Elizabeth Gilbert, Eat, Pray, Love

“The things you do for yourself are gone when you are gone, but the things you do for others remain as your legacy.”
― Kalu Ndukwe Kalu

“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection”
― Gautama Buddha

"One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Matthew 36:40

Haha, Straw, these aren't my favorites, they're just the ones I chose to share :)

Thank you for all the quotes!

Hope everyone is doing well, I'm tired and will be tired til the end of the week!

This is a picture of my Home town in Summertime. This is a 5 mile section of Lake George. In the top left the lake goes on 14 more miles. (And10 miles to the right.)

Wow.....what a photo. It's 7 in the morning here and I just finished my morning prayers. What a nice start for the day Thanks Sam

Beautiful Sam ...love those vivid colors.

Beautiful....

Sam: Absolutely gorgeous view, you are blessed to live in such a scenic place. Those islands on the water are so pretty.

Msgirl: Just saw those awesome bouquets right after I post. THANK YOU, I treasure them ... I wish I could smell them !!

I watched travel show to Munich, Germany last night. Rick Steves talked about the history of Germany, such as the war between the Catholics and the Protestants which killed 1/3 of Germany. From Wikipedia: "The Thirty Years' War was fought between 1618 and 1648, principally on the territory of today's Germany, and involved most of the major European powers. Beginning as a religious conflict between Protestants and Catholics in the Holy Roman Empire ... During the war, Germany's population was reduced by 30% on average. In the territory of Brandenburg, the losses had amounted to half, while in some areas an estimated two thirds of the population died. The Swedish armies alone destroyed 2,000 castles, 18,000 villages and 1,500 towns in Germany, one-third of all German towns. Huge damage was done to monasteries, churches and other religious institutions. "

People can kill for different interpretations of the same Bible. Beliefs are useless when it's used to fight & control, and to break all the laws in the Ten Commandments. The most effective religion I had seen is from the heart (love & respect for life), rather than the head (ego & control & fixed dogmas).

Went grocery shopping last week, someone was careless and misplaced a frozen juice of pineapple with other juices. I picked that up by mistake, and I'm allergic to pineapple .. it's time-consuming to make that separately for my husband. For every breaking of the law, and for every mistake we make ... others have to pay for it. But not for long ... my favorite quote from the Bible is "A man reap what he sows", either on this life, or in the eternal life after. The best quote of life after death came from the near-death experience of an 8-year-old boy in Brazil, see excerpt below:

"but first the angel started to show me my life like a movie. The first image I saw was something bad that I did (I used a key to scratch a car). I could feel the pain that I caused because of my actions ... everything I saw I could feel the results of it ... I felt the owner of the car feelings and thoughts, then he told his wife about it and I could feel her pain too." http://www.aleroy.com/board306.htm

I collected NDE in the below link. For everything we do or say, there's a ripple-effect that spread across to others. We don't see that until after we die, and eternal life is where "a man reap what he sows" .. that's when he/she will feel the result of every action, and every word.

https://www.pinterest.com/clonewar/hope-for-the-suicide-near-death-experiences-nde/

Msgirl: I love your bouquet, esp. the unknown pink bloom ... so many petals. I like the green leaf you stuck in there. Legends is a big bloom, so pretty.

Went through the many summaries of NDE and they are similar like the angel told professor Howard Storm: "love the person that you're with".

Sandra Rogers' Near-Death-Experience: "I asked the light, which I call Christ, how people from other religions get to heaven. I was shown that the group we profess alliance to is inconsequential. What is important is how we show our love for God by the way we treat each other. " Sandra Rogers.

Some quotes from Professor Howard Storm, who wrote a book on his near-death experience: http://ndestories.org/howard-storm/

“The angels and Jesus had no interest in the track meet competitions I won or lost. They were interested in the relationships and how we encouraged or hurt one another.”

“It is impossible to love another person unless we love ourselves Without the love of God, it is impossible to love ourselves because every human being is aware of their flawed nature and sinfulness.”

“The only authentic love in this world is achieved when there is a balance between love of God, love of neighbor, and love of self.”

“Our purpose is to know and do God’s will in this life, and we do this when we love one another as God loves us. Every person, without exception, needs to be loved by us. This is the most difficult and most important lesson of our life.”

“And he said, love the person that you’re with." Howard Storm

So glad I chose "wise quotes" as a topic, it helps me to realize what matter the most during Christmas: How we treat others, rather than gifts, or material possessions. Some quotes from Alon Anava, an angry man who became gentle after his near-death-experience:

http://ndestories.org/alon-anava/

" A person purchases life insurance in this life …why don’t you purchase spiritual life insurance? ... when you get to the other side at least you come with something ... Give charity every day. Give a smile, help somebody. When you are standing in front of those judges everything is weighed. A small deed you do in this world can change everything. But at least something small! Whatever you do in this world echoes in eternity.” Alon Anava

Alon Anava wrote how the "ripple effect" of one's behavior echoes in eternity.

"I had done bad things. This was payback time ... Every time I saw my sins there are no words to describe the fear, pain, or shame. I saw every sin that I did; it came to revenge. It came to take back what I took. It came in a form that was extremely negative, scary or painful ... You create your own destructive angels ... painful, scary… I knew I created this for myself. I started screaming, “God! Get me out of here! Help me!" Alon Anava

*** Peter Russell's near-death-experience from suicide and what matters most life:

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/peter_r's_nde.htm

"The Spirit said "it was your fault that you died, because you were not looking after yourself. That is considered a form of suicide, and there is a penalty that must be paid. The Spirit then communicated; "You have no right to hurt yourself or anyone else, because you and everyone else are the personal property of God."

"I learned that we are supposed to be responsible for ourselves & each other, because what we do to ourselves & each other is ACTUALLY FELT BY THE CREATOR. I am less judgmental regarding people. I consider employment a public service first, and a means to my personal ends second." Peter Russell

I never thought when I was a kid that air would be for sale. The thought of bottled water is strange. There was no water for sale at the store when I was young. Selling dirt is a weird concept. I never saw bags of dirt for sale.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/15/asia/china-canadian-company-selling-clean-air/index.html

I like that spikey look on the white bolero .. very elegant. Really like the deep & vibrant colors of your bouquet: Good as Gold and Scentimental.

Beautiful blooms.

Ms girl

The first picture looks like a shish ka bob of roses. I like that one too.

Msgirl: you have the 1st shish ka bob of roses ever !! Your scentimental bloom is huge, reminds me of Rock and Roll rose (similar stripes with more white veins). Rock and Roll rose smells wonderful .. my neighbor has it.

This quote crossed my path the other day :-), and it's great to be able to share it...

'Having HOPE will give you courage. You will be protected and rest in safety'

Job 11:18

Those photo's of the glaciers are so stunning Khalid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are so talented!

I'm so happy to be able to join the discussions again and to be able to read all the incredible info....thanks Strawberry Hill.. I love the way you explain all this scientific info...and how well your advice works...still NO black spot!

I also enjoyed the photo's of those roses by MsGirl... How I wish I could get hold of Distant Drums...not available over here...all your roses are so beautiful...

it was just so busy, everyone wanted to go on holiday and I had no time at all...but from today I am off for a short while..

we had a massive heat wave... but my roses survived... (still searching for alfalfa straw for mulch)... but I've used lots and lots of leaves, huge leaves from my Loquat tree...that keeps the soil moist and allows air to circulate to keep the soil cool as well...all thanks to one of the previous posts about leaves.....

thank you for all the lovely quotes, I am going to slowly read through everything here again now...so much wonderful info...and amazing places and photo's, Samuel what a hometown you have...oh wow...you all have such beautiful homes/towns/countries...and roses...

the very good news is ...my Evelyn is blooming, and this rose, with it's perfumed peach fragrance, is on top of my list of fragrant roses.... :-)

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I read about the Canadian air being sold in China...that is so sad...why don't they just stop creating massive air pollution? why not use other forms of energy? there are so many options...

but then, it's might not be as cheap? with less profit in the end?

and at whom's cost? do they care what planet their own children and grand children will inherit? and I'm not just referring to the Chinese, but to all money moguls...

and now the UK is planning on doing Fracking in all their own nature reserves?

isn't that insanely greedy and short sighted? haven't they seen the movie called Gasland?

why don't they rather use clean energy themselves?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasland

Welcome back Jess. Hope you are in good health?

I found the movie Symphony of Soil on you tube.

This movie is my personal favorite. It is enjoyable.

https://youtu.be/tkJS4OG2v_I

Good, better, best; never let it rest till your good is better and your better is best.

Thank you, Sam, for that excellent link. I watched it, very well-made & enjoyable. The message is "don't kill the soil with chemicals, the soil can't produce well, plus plants become diseased, plus chemicals hurt our health, even tiny dose of weed-killer can harm fetus". I agree, chemicals is a greedy way to produce less quality foods, more pests, plus hurt the earth.

Decade ago I tested chemical fertilizer on herbs like parsley, cilantro, and sage. They had great flavor with just natural soil alone, the minute I gave it MiracleGro SOLUBLE fertilizer NPK 20-20-20 .. I got twice more herbs, but horrible scents. The flavor was so harsh, so strong that I could not use for cooking.

My Mom grew cilantro in her large garden, with just cow manure .. her cilantro has much better flavor than store-bought cilantro. This past spring I grew cilantro with just soil & small dose of chicken manure .. the flavor was many times better than store-bought cilantro.

When I researched whether Azomite improve the taste of tomato, I watched YouTube where folks tasted tomatoes grown on Azomite, Biochar, or chemical fertilizer. Rank in taste: Biochar, Azomite, and last is chemical fertilizer.

Biochar is burning organic matter without oxygen. My neighbor is burning woods and put wood ash in his tomato garden for the 1st time. Next year I will ask if his tomato taste better than previous chemical-grown. Below is my neighbor's small fire-pit, but he set up to burn a big log. The reddish stuff on the ground is our black gumbo-clay made red & fluffy by the extreme heat of the fire-pit.

Jess: Glad to hear from you & glad to know that your Evelyn is blooming. How does your loquat fruit taste like? There's also logan fruit (Asian countries), and kumquat (like a tiny tangerine) .. the names are so similar, but they are different fruits.

Some quotes that I like from the list of top 29 quotes-site:

“In seeking happiness for others, you will find it in yourself.” – Unknown

“Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms—to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.” – Viktor Frankl, Holocaust survivor

“Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm.” – Winston Churchill

“You must be the change you wish to see in the world.” – Gandhi

“When one door of happiness closes, another opens, but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one that has been opened for us.” – Helen Keller

“If you want happiness for an hour – take a nap. If you want happiness for a day – go fishing. If you want happiness for a year – inherit a fortune. If you want happiness for a life time – help someone else.” – Chinese proverb

“Life is never made unbearable by circumstances, but only by lack of meaning and purpose.” – Viktor Frankl

"A mind that is stretched by a new experience can never go back to its old dimensions.” – Oliver Wendell Holmes

“If you don’t like something, change it. If you can’t change it, change the way you think about it.” – Mary Engelbreit

“A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.” – George Bernhard Shaw

“I would rather die a meaningful death than to live a meaningless life.” – Corazon Aquino

“Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.” – Stephen Covey

“We think sometimes that poverty is only being hungry, naked and homeless. The poverty of being unwanted, unloved and uncared for is the greatest poverty. We must start in our own homes to remedy this kind of poverty.” – Mother Theresa

“The world as we have created it is a process of our thinking. It cannot be changed without changing our thinking.” – Albert Einstein

http://www.pickthebrain.com/blog/29-of-the-most-powerful-quotes-of-all-time/#OLCV0v5R3FEt7FOZ.99

My most favorite quote from the Bible: " John 13:34-35 “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you are also to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” Jesus Christ.

Favorite quotes from the books I read, don't remember the sources: "The only thing that we can take along when we die is what we had given to others."

"We create our own bondage through greed, pride, and acquisitions."

"Your worth comes from the love and kindness you show to others."

"Evil is to judge, condemn, control, and put people down. Goodness is to understand, love, add value, and respect others' freewill."

"Don't let others determine your worth or feelings."

"You only get hurt when you want something from another person."

Straw wrote:"Biochar is burning organic matter without oxygen."

Just trying to understand that how can matter burn in the absence of oxygen. Tried to google it but couldn't find a easily explainable answer to this question....

Some new quotes I found this morning & great legacy for my daughter:

“I will not let anyone walk through my mind with their dirty feet.” -Mahatma Gandhi

“Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self.” -Cyril Connolly

“We must not allow other people’s limited perceptions to define us.”
-Virginia Satir

“Don’t look for society to give you permission to be yourself.” -Steve Maraboli

“Tension is who you think you should be. Relaxation is who you are.”
-Chinese Proverb

“This above all: to thine own self be true.” -William Shakespeare

Straw

I am so glad that you got to see that Soil movie too. It was well made. I like seeing the filming locations, Hawaii, NY state, California, Punjab India, and Norway.

https://youtu.be/tkJS4OG2v_I

Soil documentaries

Elaine Ingham was good in that movie. I like how she says that the plant is giving off "cakes and cookies" recipe which is produced from photosynthesis from carbon and sunlight.

I hope Jess and Khalid Carol and Msgirl get to see it and anybody else reading this.

Sam: I like what the Indian woman-professor said in that You-Tube: "We kill the soil with chemicals, how can it produce for us?" That professor made the accurate observation that without organic matter on top (leaves & decayed plants & manure) ... the soil get dried out fast.

I had just watered my pots outside 2 days ago. Today the temp. fell down to 20's ... and the soil dried out immediately ... soil dries out fast in extreme temp., be it hot or cold. I'm going to top those pots with leaves before putting them into the garage.

Khalid mentioned that he prays 5 times a day ... that's smart to connect in advance with the Creator, or God, whom we will spend eternity with. Thanks, Khalid, for setting a good example. I have just realized that whatever I do for myself: stuffing food in my mouth, buying stuff ... will perish. But whatever I do for God lasts forever.

What we do for ourselves have temporary value: temporary pleasure in wrong-doing, but eternal guilt. Temporary pleasure in food, but years of fat-deposit. What we do for God: giving to charities will echo forever in eternity, and bring eternal reward and happiness.

Straw: Today the temp. fell down to 20's ... and the soil dried out immediately ... soil dries out fast in extreme temp., be it hot or cold. I'm going to top those pots with leaves before putting them into the garage.

Great info Straw. Never knew that soil dries out in very cold temp also. I thought it freezes when it is very cold. Is freezing also like drying out?

Straw wrote: What we do for ourselves have temporary value: temporary pleasure in wrong-doing, but eternal guilt. Temporary pleasure in food, but years of fat-deposit. What we do for God: giving to charities will echo forever in eternity, and bring eternal reward and happiness.

Very true and well said. IMHO, there is nothing that can give more happiness to a human being than helping others and sharing one's wealth, emotions and knowledge with those who need, without expecting a return.

However, I do feel that while maintaining balance and staying withing limits, we should enjoy our lives and thank God for that. We should never try to isolate ourselves from other fellow beings and routines of life, including luxuries.

Now, what is balance and what constitutes the limit may have different understanding for different people but with firm belief (in God), good intentions, knowledge, rationale / logic and humility, one can develop a better understanding of what is balance and where the limits lie. After all nature is the best example of balance where everything has limits. Whenever those limits are crossed, results are bad; at times catastrophic and irreversible. For human beings in my view, balance lies in leading (and enjoying) life within limits and not in distancing oneself from routines and luxuries of life nor in crossing limits and pursue material objectives alone.

I do believe that aspects related to BELIEF have to be rational, logical and based on TRUTH and if they are not, it's hard to have a long lasting belief. Weak belief leads towards hypocrisy and crossing of limits. Understanding nature strengthens one's belief logically and rationally and makes one tolerant and flexible. These views, however, are personal and open to criticism.

best regards

Vandana Shiva is the Indian woman from Dehradun India. She has 20 books.

I also like how the farmer from India makes the compost in rows. His name is Jaspal Singh Chattha.

Also in the movie, I would like to try to go to the blue hill restaurant and stone barns center where they cook local foods. It is 3 hours from me In NY.

These are older pictures from I don't know when.

The Jungle garden look,

ebb tide and earthsong

Sam: I love the color of your Ebb Tide ... really like that blue-salvia background on Earthsong ... So good to see green grass, we have white snow today.

We got snow here today too. I am going to put my winter rose protections on.

Sam: Those Ebb Tides are absolutely stunning. Very nice shade. Thanks for sharing

Beautiful blooms Sam! I like the purple of Ebb Tide too.

Our Lowes has the bareroots so I bought 5 tonight.

Love, Double Delight, Julia Child, Angel Face and Luscious

Pot them up tomorrow, baby them until I leave on Thursday and cross my fingers they'll be ok with the heavy rain and winds we seem to be having sporadically during the day and too often in the evening time.

Very good shopping msdorkgirl

Perlite is good to help in the pots isn't it?

I am guessing it is easier to get perlite in Hawaii, rather than here in NY, seeing how its made. Those roses look like a nice.

oh how I love that Ebb tide rose, another one I can't get over here...and wow, all those lovely barefoot roses... I'm sure they'll do well....

Loquats are tiny yellow juicy fruit and I can't describe their taste at all...it's like nothing else I've ever tasted but so delicious...unfortunately the birds also think so... :-)

I love Eckardt Tolle's books...(From The power of Now):

“I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats.”

Yes, Home Depot sells a big bag from a big company for 20 bucks, I buy "sponge rok" which is $4 for the 16 oz or something, but I figure I'm supporting the local economy.

Pretty Khalid, you lucked out with that Bolshoi unknown.

Whisky Mac...another rose I can only dream about sigh.....what a lovely color, and so huge...you are a great photographer Khalid...

you have a beautiful garden Samuel..

Jess: Agree with you, I adore Khalid's Whisky Mac .. so photogenic. I like Sam's cottage garden, very soft & natural.

Msgirl: I looked up Luscious rose .. Wow! I love that deep pink. I have problems with wimpy roses in cold zone .. Angel Face is really short, even as grafted, under 1 foot, and two of them died in my zone 5a winter. But small roses are perfect for pots.

John Moody wrote from his cold zone 5b: " My Luscious HT rose is now two years old and the bush is still extremely small so I get very few blooms. However, the blooms are actually of good size and have wonderful color and form is very high centered and star-like in appearance. I would love to keep it, but I wonder just how vigorous and tall it will hopefully get. I don't like wimpy roses of any size." John

Khalid

The biochar is something to look into. It is burned in low level oxygen.

From what I have seen, the biochar needs to be seasoned activated charged in the compost for an amount of time together with the biology. I have not used biochar but I have seen how they make it in videos. It sequesters the carbon and creates carbon micro areas for the biology in the soil.

It increases surface area for the bacteria and fungi.

Sam: Agree with you that biochar is low-level oxygen and slow-burning. Here's an excerpt from below link: "Without sophisticated kilns and ovens to produce modern biochar, this ancient material was likely made by setting alight a pile of organic material before covering it with dirt to eliminate oxygen but hold in the heat from the fire which, in turn, baked the organic matter.

http://www.azocleantech.com/article.aspx?ArticleId=183

The above link is worth clicking, it shows vigorous plants grown with biochar, versus without. The reason why biochar is better than wood-ash? It's like cooking food with a slow-cooker (crock-pot), versus burning food on a hot fire. Slow-cooking retains more nutrients, versus LESS nutrients with fast burning & lots of oxygen.

When my neighbor burned wood in a open-fire-pit, the heat was so intense that it converted our heavy-black-clay into reddish clay. Nutrients in foods are destroyed at high temp, same with wood-ash: less nutrients than biochar.

I end this thread with the link to Khalid's thread of his travels across the world, Khalid' pics. of France are fantastic: "Share your travels, gardens, roses, history and culture world over"

http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/3567333/share-your-travels-gardens-roses-history-and-culture-world-over?n=9

Jess & Carol & everyone: For continued discussion of recipes & this Holiday-season & weight-loss please see the below thread that Msgirl started:

http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/3569361/12-21-15-best-things-this-season?n=9