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Re-potted band rose: to water or not to water?

9 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago

I'm not new to growing roses but when it comes to growing them in containers, I feel completely lost. A week ago I received two new bands from Heirloom Roses. I've had success with bands before. I immediately transplanted one into a 7-gallon fabric pot with 50/50 bagged rose soil and compost - I know, not a good idea. Leaves on the top were alive but drooping slightly. I watered it once a day for three days. It did not perk up at all. Meanwhile, the one remaining in the band pot was flourishing. The soil seemed pretty moist so I skipped watering for a day, afraid I was overwatering. Two days later, looking even worse. This morning I re-potted it into a smaller, 1 gallon pot and watered deeply. As of now, the few leaves at the top of one cane are almost completely wilted. There is still a healthy green set of 5 leaves at the bottom of the other cane. The entire plant is maybe 7 inches tall. Does it need more water? I'm clueless. I'm afraid I've already killed it. Thanks!

edit: I'm in SE Texas, zone 9a. High temps have been in the 80s and plants are in sun until about noon.

Comments (30)

  • 9 years ago

    I would not water now. Depending on your temperature and location watering could vary going forward. If you didn't disrupt roots in the repotting, you probably overdid the watering. I might lift the pot and start to get a sense of it feeling lighter and dryer as to when to next water. Hopefully it will recover. You don't want to rot the roots.

    springrosemama thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 9 years ago

    You could also place the rose in a smaller pot. It's very easy to over water a small rose in a large container. I'd get a pot a little deeper and wider than what it came in then slip the little guy into much drier potting soil. It can help to add some extra perlite to keep the soil from becoming to wet until it grows some new roots. It is possible that it's a goner but I hope not. Most plants will do better if you slowly increase the size of your pots. Well unless you're starting with a large rose.

    springrosemama thanked Patty W. zone 5a Illinois
  • 9 years ago

    Thank you, Sheila and Patty. It is in a smaller pot now so I'm hoping for the best.

  • 9 years ago

    Here it is, the pitiful thing. It was tiny to start with. Notice happy Lyda Rose next door, still in band pot.

  • 9 years ago

    It looks good and should pull thru fine. Very good point above about slowly introducing sunlight after the rose comes out of a dark box.

    springrosemama thanked Patty W. zone 5a Illinois
  • 9 years ago

    Thanks, towandaaz, I really should have thought of that! I had a covered patio at my last home and my bands did well there. I feel like such a dummy.

  • 9 years ago

    Springrosemama, the only reason I know this is because I just did it! lol The ones that fried a bit are fine now and putting out new growth. Onward! :-)

    springrosemama thanked towandaaz
  • 9 years ago

    Sometimes I think it might not be anything you did. I had four bands come in together. I hardened them off for seven days before planting them. One of the four looked a little wilted when it came in and continued to look bad the whole time the other 3 were flourishing. I had to keep it in the shade for about 3 weeks. It eventually lost those leaves it came to me with but is putting on new leaves just fine now. I think the 3-4 days in transit really set it back.

    springrosemama thanked BethC in 8a Forney, TX
  • 9 years ago

    Well, she's still hanging on. I think that one cane is a goner but I see some tiny green buds down below. Hope she's growing some decent roots.

  • 9 years ago

    I might snip off the straight up cane below the withered part, but leave the nubbin if it looks better. This looks like it will make it to me.

    springrosemama thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
  • 9 years ago

    Is it just me or is that canker on that left stem and maybe why it's not doing well?

    springrosemama thanked Alana8aSC
  • 9 years ago

    You took the words out of my mouth, canker is your problem. I've had that happen to me, after I cut off the bad cane like shown above - this was in the fall - the plant didn't come back after winter. In your case you're lucky that it is spring so maybe it has a fighting chance.

    springrosemama thanked braverichard (6a, North MO)
  • 9 years ago

    I wouldn't cut anything off at all, unless the dark area of that cane is cankered. Can you post a close-up picture of that dark area?

    springrosemama thanked User
  • 9 years ago

    It looks cankered to me but yes, need a close up picture to ensure it isn't just dark due to aging.

    springrosemama thanked braverichard (6a, North MO)
  • 9 years ago

    NB- I have never tried growing on bands, but I do play with sad little badly rooted miniature roses from time to time. And all my roses stay in pots..

    Conditions may be different where you are, but I've never had much luck growing things in terracotta pots (sorry if you're using a terracotta coloured plastic pot, but it looks like a real one from what I can see in the pic). And I really did try- they look nice, and they're cheap! still have about ten stuck in the back shed somewhere. In my conditions, either they dry out and leach moisture from the potting mix, or don't drain properly (due to the fact they seem to invariably come with only one central hole in the bottom), or somehow manage both at the same time.

    Anyways, I had a much better success rate switching to just plain standard plastic pots. I keep my baby roses on the back porch (bright shade, but no direct sun) until they seem to be putting on growth.

    If you're keeping them on the concrete, it might be an idea to try and raise them up a bit if it gets hot there, so you can get air circulating underneath. It helps with the drainage too.

    springrosemama thanked Curdle 10a (Australia)
  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks for all the advice. I did cut off the upper stem at the base. I don't believe it was cankered - saw green/white in the center. But it was corrugated/ribbed in texture and seemed to be dying. Oh well, I guess all that's left to do is wait for it to grow more roots. Curdle, the pot is terra cotta but the soil stayed moist for 2 days after last watering so I don't think there's a problem with drying out... yet. The plant is still in the shade. We've had temps in the 60s and 70s in the past few days. If it starts doing better I'll definitely consider repotting in plastic, but I hate to transplant it a third time...

  • 9 years ago

    My latest attempts at butchering this pathetic little plant.

  • 9 years ago

    I would call Heirloom and request a replacement or at least let them know how poorly it's doing. After seeing the up close photos I truly believe you have done nothing wrong. She was a bad cutting to begin with.

    springrosemama thanked Patty W. zone 5a Illinois
  • 9 years ago

    Thanks, Patty - I suppose I've got nothing to lose by asking, though I didn't follow their planting instructions to begin with and the other rose is still doing fine in the band pot. Who knows, maybe it will surprise me yet!

  • 9 years ago

    Update: it is slowly putting out new growth, but now the tiniest, newest leaves (far left) are looking droopy. I've been careful not to water unless soil feels dry about half an inch down. Plant has been back in morning sun for about a week.

  • 9 years ago

    Those tiny leaves look more like they were nipped by frost, though the picture is not very large so I can't see them very well. Being in zone 9 I can't imagine you're even having any frosts are you? This is always a very slow process at first, I'm going through the same thing on several baby plants, just hang in there and it will slowly take off.

    springrosemama thanked braverichard (6a, North MO)
  • 9 years ago

    Thanks! No, haven't had frost all year. Maybe I'm disturbing the roots by poking around so much in there.

  • 9 years ago

    Here's a better photo of the wilting new growth.

  • 9 years ago

    I'd ask for a replacement and keep nursing this one. I got a rose band that had been shaken out of its soil and dried out. It lost all the leaves but eventually grew more. It was 8 months in our year round growing season in So CA before it was back to the size it was when they shipped it to me. I love that rose and it's a good plant now but I lost a years worth of progress because they packed it poorly and for a while it was touch and go.

    springrosemama thanked kittymoonbeam
  • 9 years ago

    Should I put it back in the shade until it grows more leaves??

  • 9 years ago

    Coming back!

  • springrosemama thanked braverichard (6a, North MO)
  • 9 years ago

    great job at nursing it!! keep us posted. I had not idea what a band was and now i'm scared that's why i'll be getting when i order my next roses for my walkway. :( it's cheaper and i need a minimum of 12.

    springrosemama thanked emrogers
  • 9 years ago

    Don't be scared, emrogers! This is a rare example of a subpar one. The majority do fantastic given the right care, and I'm still learning.