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Set me straight on banksiaes

9 years ago

A number of years ago I got what I thought was a thornless banksiae lutea but it was not. Instead I have a climber with wicked thorns and small double white blooms, no frag that I could detect. When googling around I read about a thorny banksia which eventually led me to banksiae fortuniana. So, can you help me figure out what I have?

1) bloom closeup 2) overall look as it grows I'm tree, I have removed lower branches b/c downright wicked when mowing 3) poor pic of thorns

Comments (17)

  • 9 years ago

    It's difficult to tell from the photos, but likely you are growing Fortuniana. Look at the photos here on Help Me Find-Roses and see if they look like what you have.

    bossyvossy thanked roseseek
  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    It can't be Fortuniana because it has wicked thorns and no scent right? It say's on HMF that fortuniana rose is thornless or almost with a strong sweet frangrance. I have no Idea as to what it could be and Kim feel free to correct me, but she said her rose had thorns and no scent. BTW Happy Easter Everyone!!! Maybe it's a just a more thorny version? I know in certain weather you don't smell scent as good, could that me the case?


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  • 9 years ago

    I get a strong violets scent from 'Fortuniana'. It does make some truly thornless canes, especially on the big spring growth flush, but in the heat of summer, it can make wickedly thorny canes as well.


  • 9 years ago

    I'm going to get on a ladder and take better pics + smell

  • 9 years ago

    Don't base the ID simply on the scent, or lack of it. Malcolm detects a strong violet scent from it. My nose detects nothing. Both of us are right. Our chemistry is different. Our abilities to detect different scents (and probably tastes) is different. Yours may be, also. From those pics, my bet is on Fortuniana.

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  • 9 years ago

    I'd also bet on Fortuniana -- for multiple reasons.

    1. That wasn't a great shot of the bloom, but it looked more like Fort than White Lady Banks (R. banksia banksia).

    2. The Prickles: Fort may not have prickles on every cane, but it can have wicked ones. (One of its parents was "Cherokee Rose" -- the inspiration for Barbed Wire.)

    3. MANY MANY MANY plants of Fortuniana have been sold as either "White Lady Banks" or as "Snowflake". I know a rose society member who refuses to believe that what she has is Fortuniana, because the tag said "Snowflake".

    Here's 'Fortuniana':


  • 9 years ago

    My Fortuniana has some very thorny canes and little scent that I can detect. I bought it, in part, because of the reported violet scent, only to find that I could not smell it!

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    good morning all and Happy Easter. Your input has convinced me I have Fortuniana. Despite my efforts this a.m. pics aren't better. Couldn't get close enough either to smell. I did observed that the thorns are in 2" increments and not as killer as Autumn Damask but almost as hurtful. Only the baby branches are thornless. I marked one with a string so I can tell later if it develops thorns. I had to limb it up so DH could mowe unscathed. Why isn't that the roses you don't care for are the ones that do best with neglect? Suspecting that this wasn't what I wanted, I never give it any attention but it lives on, and well, shall I say, ha. I really really wanted a b. lutea b/c yellow is DH fave color but I wont remove this one. Will just have to wait for other real estate to clear up, sigh. Thanks for your help.

    ETA I do have a Lady Banks on another section of garden, lovely and thornless. The two roses are different.

  • 9 years ago

    Once it takes off, I think you'll enjoy Fortuniana. It is a glorious thing when really pushing. I hope it doesn't get too large for that tree! Good luck!

  • 9 years ago

    Yes. Do keep in mind that 'Fortuniana' CAN get to be very very big.

    Mine was a cutting from one trimmed like a large "standard." The "baby" OTOH, has been allowed to get to be as big as it wants to, on the hillside.


  • 9 years ago

    No worries, the tree against which it leans is over 50' tall. As long as I keep lower branches trimmed we can happily co-exist.

  • 9 years ago

    Yep, that's what I uave

  • 9 years ago

    My baby is just starting to bloom too. And like Kim I can not detect a scent (well other than the nearby citrus)

  • 9 years ago

    I wonder if the presence or lack of it, of that violet scent, is a matter of the clone, or the nose?
    I have a notoriously bad smeller <G> but I can smell it in MY big Fortuniana.

  • 9 years ago

    I am thinking for mine, the nose

  • 9 years ago

    Primarily the nose, IMHO. I can't smell diddly from Banksiae lutescens, but spread some of its anthers on a sheet of paper in the house to dry for pollen and the heavy clove-cinnamon scent drives people out of the room and can be detected all over the house. Plus, I can smell certain pansy and violet flowers and I perceive a very bitter aftertaste from the plant parts. The only "scent" I get from most Banksiae blooms is that same bitterness in the back of my throat. I've often wondered if that is what they meant by "violet scent".

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