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Tanuki Style (Colorado Blue Spruce Deadwood + Juniper) ?

9 years ago

Greets fellow bonsai enthusiasts!

Need some advice, it's hard to find good reliable info just blindly searching the WWW and that's why I go here.

So my 13~17yo Colorado Blue Spruce died. Before I got it, it was in my parents' yard, and they were upset with its growth, always getting wind-swept and frost-bitten and not growing tall and "normal"/uniform/symmetrical so they dug it out and were about to burn it when I showed up, but I freaked and I took it instead. I had it outdoors in my yard for a year in a giant container and was quite happy with it.

Well this past fall was super wet and then the cold snap hit, and the tree turned into a giant Popsicle, needles gradually turned brown over winter and in the spring--as soon as I could act--it was too late; the roots were completely rotted.

I drilled larger drainage holes in the container and changed the soil to
a very ideal mix of my best ingredients, it's all set, except I have a
large dead spruce trunk in it.

I'm still hoping for a miracle that it might magically sprout some buds, but the realistic part of me tells me it's dead, completely gone... these are very unforgiving trees to do anything with, and I should know, I still have a couple other smaller ones from my parents' rejected selections, but they aren't as impressive as this one was.

Which slowly brings me to my point... a day ago I was just going to simply replace it with a large mature tree, but
looking at the prices it totally defeats the whole point of what I was
doing all along. I'm sure for a couple hundred you too can have a nice
already made bonsai! And then I got to thinking of all the work I put into this trunk while the tree was alive and it would be a shame to just get rid of it, maybe keep it as a lawn ornament at best.

One idea was to put a seedling in the container and just let it grow, but that would take a very very long time, and I have plenty of seedlings already.

Now, I am a bonsai amateur, but I've had this idea to merge a living tree with deadwood for quite a while... wind some young spindly tree such as a fast-growing elm (which grow like weeds here) around some chunk of wood. This dead spruce could be the perfect opportunity to actually do it.

ANYWAY, my question is what sort of evergreen would take best to merging with this surely-dead Colorado Blue Spruce trunk? If I carved a spirally channel up this spruce trunk and started training some kind of creeping juniper variety along that channel, would this work?

I need to ask because it would be a lot of effort to try this, and if I do it wrong and it fails, that's yet another big waste and tough lesson learned for me. However, with some good advice and pro-tips, I might pull this off and it would be a pretty impressive piece!

Comments (7)

  • 9 years ago

    So I'm sad to say the spruce is quite dead, (and also sad that nobody replied to my post in the meantime), but I did go ahead and roughly fasten a juniper to the dead trunk and so far it seems to be growing all right, though it will be quite a few seasons before the juniper reaches the extremities and begins to look fully merged.

    Hmm, I should probably upload a photo. Is there any interest in this Frankenstein project?

  • 9 years ago

    The bonsai forum is so not popular here. But I would like to see the photos of your project. I think your idea is worth pursuing. Do you know how long a dead spruce will last before completely rotting away? I do not. Also like you I am an amateur at this too.

  • 9 years ago

    Amateur here as well and I'd like to see it! Saw something similar not too long ago.

  • 9 years ago

    Alright, don't laugh.... it doesn't look like much right now:

    another view:

    and yes my wonderful wiring is done using twist ties. I first had to roughly place each juniper branch close to the deadwood, let the plant settle and see if it will live. Later on I can get the live branches trimmed down and sitting more snug and spiraled, perhaps Dremmel out a groove in the deadwood if I see it necessary.

    I'll dig up some more photos, you can't really see it here but the base of that Colorado Blue Spruce Trunk is a good 5" thick.

    Basically I figure in several years this might become much more interesting and I'll want to lift the whole thing up, maybe treat the deadwood to stop it from decomposing and secure it with some kind of fixture.

    So yeah, that's my "Phoenix Graft" for now.

  • 9 years ago

    Ah here we go, found the old photos...

    When the Colorado Blue Spruce was still alive:

    Oh man this makes me so sad.

    And here's what was left of the roots when I finally decided to deal with them the following spring:

    This was after a good couple hours of cleaning out the old black mud tangled in rotted roots.

    Tough lesson learned.

    Kids, always clean off all the old soil and dead roots from the entire rootball (especially the center), use gritty mix and good-draining containers. Don't wait a year like I did to do this!

  • 9 years ago

    I thought it would be difficult to clean, shape and treat the deadwood after the juniper has taken hold. May be it is still doable. I have never done this. I have some deadwood that had been sitting outside. I am now sort of inspired to go ahead lime-sulfur that and may be a phoenix graft / Tanuki in the future. The deadwood actually came from a pretty large butterfly bush which died a few years ago after a really bad winter.

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