I would center the range between two windows--that gives you more room
in the secondary prep space. Then put the trash pull-out between the
prep sink and the corner susan. It's nice to be able to open the can and sweep debris into it.

That is a very thoughtful design.

You have a super susan in one corner, what is going on in the other corner?

I am not sure that I would want cabinets over the prep sink... But I am confused about the windows by the prep sink. It looks like you have two narrow windows on the prep sink wall. When I look at the whole house design it looks like one of those windows will look into the mud room and out the window of the mudroom and the other will look into the mud room. When I look at your kitchen drawing it looks like the second window looks directly outside. If you want the light but don't want the view of the mudroom you could always put stained-glass there...

Have you used those narrow pullouts that you have on either side of the stove? I found them very useful for storing tall thin bottles of oil and vinegar but only if the sides of your stove do not heat up at all, otherwise it shortens the shelf life of those items considerably. I don't have enough of those bottles to justify using to pull outs. You may want to research them on this website as there were many people who had opinions both ways but one of the issues was that the items stored in the pullout had to be stored in such a way that they didn't bang against the wood every time you pushed the pullout back in.

You also have a narrow cabinet next to the dishwasher, I think you would get more use out of it if it opened from the side rather than pulled out into the center of the room.

Thank you both for taking the time to look at this!

Mama Goose, my husband and I have been on the fence about the windows on the range wall. He says it's a fairly easy fix since we'll be gutting the interior walls and need to raise the existing window anyway. Here's the new-and-improved version, including the trash/prep sink swap.

Practigal, both corners will have super susans or lazy susans. And thanks for the scrutiny of the prep sink windows and cabinets. There is a mudroom behind the left window (when facing the sink) and the
right window will look directly outside onto the small porch at the back door, with a view toward our garden. So yes, one window would look into the mudroom - and I think some decorative glass would look great there. Really I just want to be able to see into the backyard without having to walk to the doorway to the mudroom. I suspect there's a more elegant way to do this...

I wondered about the cabinets above the prep sink. Sorry my drawing isn't clear (I'm good with Sketchup drawing but not
with the labeling) - they're drawn to be 26" above the countertops (all other wall cabs will be 21" above counter). Is that too low? What do you think about maybe getting rid of the wall cabs there, or replacing them with open shelves, and then storing barware in the cabs in the corner to the right? Those could probably extend down the countertop for extra storage. The downside of doing this is that anyone getting beverages would be more "in my kitchen" while I'm cooking - but maybe that's better than awkward wall cabs above the sink.

Great thought about heat affecting oils next to the range. I thought we'd put baking sheets in one and a cooking-utensil pullout in the other, but maybe we'd be better served by pushing the range a little to one side and combining those into a single 13" drawer cabinet.

The narrow cabinet by the DW was going to have platters, and then the 1' cabinet above would be open shelves to the right for cookbooks. But I've considered switching those (my books are all pretty petite so I don't need a full-depth bookshelf).

Thanks again! I'm finally trying to figure out exactly where we'll put things and how this will flow, and I know there is a wealth of knowledge here.

I agree with mama goose to about 2 windows.

I assume 24" sink in the below elevation is a typing error

I'd keep the MW in the pantry cab and have a hood.

I like your layout, but just wonder if you'll have difficulty in using the fridge when you have company in the kitchen.

I played with the idea of recessing the fridge into mudroom wall and have the prep sink in the corner. To give you more prep space, I'm thinking range can be a little off center towards the cleanup sink, but you can still have windows on both sides.

Instead of a table, you can have a 30-33 wide island/cart on casters for extra storage/recycle and counter.

Coffee and barware can be on the pantry wall.

Just another idea.

The usual distance between counter and cabinet is 18" so 21" is high but if you are taller 21" would be preferable. Sometimes people put a pullout step toekick to give them the extra height.

I don't see a drawer for the everyday cultery next to the DW. Will it be in the island?

Link to pullout discussion

Good catch! That is actually a 30" single-basin sink for clean-up, not 24". The prep sink will be either 15" or 18".

Daily cutlery would have originally been on the other side of the range, but in the revised plan it would go into the drawer on the right of the range. Yet another reason to do the centered range between two windows!

Long ago I originally wanted the fridge where you put it, Sena. Then we got a new fridge, put it there temporarily (sort of a mock-up) and hated it - it felt like it dominated the room. However, our current kitchen is a totally different layout so maybe that would work, especially if recessed into the mudroom wall. I also like the idea of the coffee/barware in the pantry wall. My only concern would be having to go between coffeemaker and sink every day for water (is that lazy?).

Thanks for the link to the pullout discussion, Practigal. We could slide the range one way or the other and do a 13" cab instead - is that too narrow for drawers? Or maybe the "chef's pullout" that DIY2Much2Do posted?

A few thoughts:

- A 13" drawer stack is not very useful. I would much prefer the cookie sheet/utensil pullout you have in mind.

I have a U-shaped kitchen, and looked at every corner contraption I could find, to maximize use of those spaces (my kitchen isn't very large). I had two pie-cut lazy susans - the kind where the door is attached to the turntables, and the whole thing rotates together. I hated those things with a passion - not sturdy enough for heavy things (like a crockpot); not convenient for light things (like Tupperware).

In my new kitchen, I have a super susan, on a diagonal, so the turntables are full circles. I have a drawer above (again, small kitchen - I needed to maximize drawer space). Some folks don't like diagonal cabinets, but it works for me. I have a small MW in the same corner - the angled cabinet provides more counter space in front of the MW. My cabinets were custom built, so I had the cabinet maker space the shelves in the SS to my specifications - ensuring that I had enough height for the small appliances I put there (rice cooker, crock pot, blender, etc).

The other corner was a challenge. It's between the sink and range, and there isn't a ton of space. Since this is my primary prep space, I wanted a lot of things to be located in that space: pots and pans, cooking utensils, canisters of sugar/flour/rice/pasta. Another Susan - or other contraption to access the corner space - would limit what I could store there, and I already had plenty of storage space in other parts of the kitchen for storing large, seldom-used items.

I ended up closing off the corner completely, and putting drawer stack on each side. It has been the perfect solution for us! Anything else would have reduced my kitchen to 1 drawer stack - now I have 3 (and if you've spent any time here at all, you know how important drawers are).

The corner solutions that will work best for you depend on what you will be doing in those corners. I inventoried essentially everything in the old kitchen, and assigned it a place in the new kitchen. Great consideration was given to "point of use" - potholders and cooking utensils near the stove, dishes near the DW, etc. Once I knew what was needed where, it became much easier to plan the cabinets to accomodate those needs.

Good luck!

My only concern would be having to go between coffeemaker and sink every day for water (is that lazy?).

Not at all. This was DH's big complaint with my wonderful condo kitchen. Frankly if that's all he had to complain about I guess I did pretty good. LOL.

I agree about having the windows on either side of the cooktop. But then again, I'm becoming partial to that since it's what I'm going to do in my new build. ;)

I also think you might want to consider like Ann suggested and closing off at least one of the corners to get extra drawer space.

My only concern would be having to go between coffeemaker and sink every day for water (is that lazy?).

A pot filler?

Cpartist, I laughed out loud when I read your vindication post! It helped me press on when DH thought I was too worried about details and where everything will go.

Speaking of where everything goes, I'll try to post an updated drawing that better shows the dimensions and what we plan to store where. I'm glad to get consistent feedback about the windows and range in the meantime - that helps a lot!

Mamagoose, I hear you on the light and view. The windows on the prep sink wall might seem strange but I can't shake the sense that a view in that direction (and early morning light) will really change the feel of the kitchen.

I usually don't like corner sinks or angled corners, but the advantage of the way Sena01 showed it is that the sink doesn't have cabinets and the "windows" make a bit more aesthetic sense. I also like the suggestion for trash pullouts in the island/table on casters. That might free up about 2' of cabinet space on the prep wall for another set of reasonably sized drawers. Or if we don't do a corner sink, maybe we could put a [3-bin trash/recycling corner unit [(https://www.houzz.com/products/waste-bin-corner-recycling-bin-3-bins-32-quart-chrome-white-prvw-vr~46929963)in the left corner...

Glad you enjoyed it salex and ever since he sings my praises about what a good job i've been doing designing our house. ;)

I think the window into the mud room if done right could look fine too.