Well High Country Roses has both normally... they are currently showing to be out of stock on Quadra but I would say call them first, chances are they have some rooted cuttings that will be ready for sale soon.

I truly do not know how the two roses differ though when both have matured that is, Quadra vs Ramblin' Red. Quadra should be hardier but for your zone both roses will be hardy to the tips. Ramblin' Red, having the Floribunda blood from its "mother" Razzle Dazzle, probably will rebloom better than Quadra. I have a 2 year old Ramblin' Red and a Quadra that was just planted last fall as a quart so I can't compare the two from my garden.

braverichard that's funny you said that because I actually called High Country Roses this morning. They said they only had about 10 in the very beginning of the season and they disappeared very quickly. They are looking to have more but not until next spring :(((( The rebloom factor is very important to me so thanks for the comparison.

I haven't grown Quadra so I can't compare. Had Ramblin' Red in the past in my z4 garden & was cane hardy left on the trellis for me, just lost 6-12" of the tips to winter kill sometimes. It was on the west end of my house so hit with the prevailing winter winds, should be hardy for you in z5. No disease problems & the Japanese beetles weren't too interested in it. Main problem was to fence the base to keep the rabbits from gnawing it off at ground level during the winter. I removed it a couple of years ago because I wanted something blue on that wall so replaced it with 2 clematis.

It looms like Sam Kedem in MN has Quadra. If I end up replacing mine, that is where I would get it. What I bought from him in the past was good sized.

Oops "looks"

Quadra is hardier. Rambling Red had a stiffer upright look.

Well don't let hardiness matter to you, in zone 5 both of these plants would be hardy to the tips.

I grew both (at the same time). They were O.K., but with 1000 roses to take care of, I did not baby them. For zone 5, I recommend Illusion over both of them.

https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.3368&threadID=9581&qcID=11331&tab=32#q11331

Sam kedem has quadra

Illusion has better repeat than Ramblin' Red given similar conditions? Hard to believe to me, I have an Illusion that's a quart, not yet even planted, will see how it performs in my garden.

Cynthia, no idea of what killed your Ramblin' Red, seems odd.

Thank you everyone. I called Sam Kedem and yes! He does have it! The downside is that he can't ship it until September. I decided to go with Rambling Red for this particular location based on everyone's helpful info. In the upcoming days I will order Quadra from Sam as I do have another location I can place it in. Henry thanks for pointing out the Illusion climber. Very pretty. Quadra and Ramblin Red are much hardier though and that was very important to me.

nippstress I remember debating some other climbers last year and you were actually the one who made me want Quadra so bad!!! If I was able to find it this year I would have planted it... but I couldn't :(((( I just couldn't wait another year cause my spot is just begging for a red climber. You have been amazingly helpful! Thanks so much!

Oh and BTW - AMAZING pictures and absolutely GORGEOUS blooms!

I got 2 Quadra from Hortico this spring.

I have a Quadra question, I planted mine next to 2 trees, I want them to climb on trees. Is it doable? Now I have 2nd thoughts, they might eat all the other roses around the trees......

Mila - sounds like you have a plan, and I know what you mean about not wanting to wait to follow through on your plan. There's always room for more roses if you get creative! Glad the pictures helped you get tempted - they're all great climbers and you can't go wrong with any of the three you mentioned.

Summers - for sure you'd have to finagle a way to attach the canes to the trees, and that's getting way too close to Quadra for my skin's sake. He's big and thorny, and between two trees he'd be just waiting to pounce. For sure you'd need another kind of support in addition to the trees, or he'd be flopping on your other roses as you mention. I used to grow my Quadra as a free-standing bush and he was at least 7' wide and aggressive with space. Can you stretch some sort of trellis or arch between the trees for extra support? He might not bloom as much in part shade beneath trees, but I'm all for giving it a try if that's where he is. I have Veilchenblau beneath a huge oak tree and it's pretty impressive (though it doesn't want to climb).

Cynthia

I purchased Quadra this Spring from www.raintreenursery.com

They're in Washington state. Band size plant was $9.50

Ooh, what a good reference, romogen! I checked out their website and they have some wonderful fruit bushes and other ornamentals. They seem to have taken their bare roots off the website, but they give the option of calling for information. Worth a try, Mila, before you give up on Quadra!

Cynthia

Thanks Cynthia for the info. I was going to use nails and wires on tree trunks to hold up Quadra, one spot has full sun the other spot has 5-6 hours sun pretty much full sun too. If I want to pull them out I have to do it quick, they are growing leaves already ( bare root roses). :-)

Romogen, thanks for that reference. They on'y sell bare root roses and they don't ship them any longer this year. I may hold off till Sept and get it from Sam in Sept :)

Need one more advice - Which one in you opinion is larger RR or Quadra? In all the descriptions I've read looks like Quarda is a smaller of the 2 but the pictures definitely don't back that up.

Larger in overall bush size or bloom size? From what I have seen they are probably a draw for overall bush size but no contest on bloom size, RR has bigger blooms but Quadra's blooms have more petals though.

Thank you everyone. So I decided to be patient and not to rush - thank you Cynthia :) Ordered my Quadra from Sam (thank you again mnkittyz4 and kelly - the only place I could find it) I am saving my special spot for a special rose... sometimes good things are hard to come by :))))

In the meantime, I found another spot for my Ramblin Red that I already purchased. Also planted a baby Alchymist over a month ago, can't wait to see it in bloom next year. Not expecting any bloom at all this year it's truly a baby. Everything is coming together :) Have a wonderful summer everyone!

Also here is a link to my new discussion about my neighbor's rose. Trying to see if this is Quadra (photos included) I would really like to see it in person. What can I say I can be impatient sometimes ;)

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/please-help-id-this-climbing-rose-is-this-a-quadra-dsvw-vd~3958775

it's frustrating that around here, you can go to any garden store and easily find john cabot, william baffin, john davis, etc, but quadra seems to be unavailable in commerce in the us. sometimes i have seen it on high country's website, but it has never been in stock. i wonder if it is difficult to propagate?

I agree Josg. Quadra is a wonderful rose. I had Quadra in Alaska. Rambling Red was not similar and much less hardy.

I would call Matt at HCRs and ask about it.