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Could you help me with the ID of this hot pink noisette, maybe china?

9 years ago

People have recommended I post this on this forum instead (It was in the Name that rose forum). I had posted a link to it in here before so I hope I'm not being obnoxious posting this now.

I just copied the whole thing but will add some new pics in the comments. If you have any questions, please ask.

In case you want to read the comments made there, here's a link. Some popular guesses were Fellemberg and Old Blush, but the foliage is different of both, much more elongated. Comtessedelacouche thinks it could be some sport, seedling, or variation of OB. I see how that could play since some pics of the blooms and hips look identical on hmf.

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Hi, all! This grows in a local park, kinda big, 3 meters tall, maybe. It gets shade in the afternoons. I have no idea of how old it could be.

If I recall correctly, it is scented, but lightly, not like anything in particular that I could tell.

Hope you can appreciate the bristles, there, by the left of the pic, also on the next one.

Buds, notice the very elongated leaves, too.

I was pretty amused by the foliage, actually, had it not been for the flowers I would've thought it was a very bushy peach from a distance.

Makes hips VERY easily, had a lot of them, they're orange. You can see another one getting kinda wrinkly by the background, it is a darker shade of orange, but orange nonetheless.

A less ripe one, sorry that it is out of focus, I tried really hard to get a good pic but my camera wasn't having it. The shape is pretty unusual i think, they're like teeny kiwifruits, so you get the idea.

Another bloom pic, they have a pretty romantic feel to them. Also check the fine, uniform veining, it seems to come on with age. Around the flowers the canes are mostly smooth, farther away quite bristly, but not exaggeratedly so. they seemed uniform in shape.

Hope you can help and thanks for taking a look!

Comments (10)

  • 9 years ago
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    That is an actual peach by the upper-left corner, you can compare the leaves there.

    A non-blurry view of the hips

    I think you can see what I mean by "teeny kiwifruits" here.

    Here's a whole bush view, this one is more sprawling, the ones by the red pipes are taller and less wider. In total there are about 8 bushes in the park, and I've seen the ones by the red pipes sucker. Hope that helps! Thanks again!

  • 9 years ago
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    Rosaceae, wonderful detailed photos! Your rose looks a lot like Old Blush/Parsons' Pink China. The flowers are a good match. Your rose's foliage may be a bit longer than I remember from my Old Blush in my last garden, but my current Perle d'Or often sends out some really long leaves like your rose's and my former Cecile Brunner did the same. The hips on your rose match Old Blush, too. Old Blush is thorny and, to my nose, has little fragrance. It's a great rose for remontancy and various shades of pink. An Old Blush-type rose seems like a good guess. Maybe a seedling? Jeri has mentioned that there are LOTS of seedlings of early China's floating around. I hope those who grow more Chinas and Noisettes can add information. Good luck with IDing your beauty! Carol

  • 9 years ago

    I was thinking the same, but am not the best with this sort of thing.

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    Old Blush is my guess. There's nothing in these pics and the description above that makes me doubt it is that. Regardless which rose it is, it is almost certainly a China.

  • 9 years ago
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    Embothrium, yeah the leaves too, look alike there.

    Portlandmysteryrose, thanks for the comments on Perle d'Or and Cecile B., I love CB, wish I could find it here :(

    I tried to find some common link between them and Old Blush, but there seems to be none.

    Still, I wonder what makes them produce leaves like that. All of the bushes, in different locations, are easily recognizable by the foliage alone. As a matter of fact, when I collected cuttings of it, I collected of some others too and had them in a vase for a day or two without flowers, when I got time to plant them, I tried to sort them by varieties. And these were the only ones I can say with 100 percent certainty are well-sorted.

    I have found and collected Mrs Dudley Cross before, and in most sources describing it in depth, they make note of the unusual foliage. But it's not the case for Old Blush, it seems.

    Nik, I'm curious, what makes a china rose? I'm not saying it isn't, just want to know so I can identify others when/if I stumble upon them.

    It does seem to be Old Blush, now by several people's criteria. Thank you guys!

  • 9 years ago

    'I'm curious, what makes a china rose?'

    I cannot say, I'm not good in describing roses, but once one has seen a few, one can usually tell.. Looking like your 'mystery' rose perhaps? It's the airy appearance, the informality of the smallish blooms and the propensity for perpetual blooming mostly. I know this would describe the early Noisettes also but those are characterized by blooming trusses and, usually, musky fragrance and a propensity to climb.

  • 9 years ago

    My chinas also have twiggy growth once they mature - new canes grow out of old ones at all odd angles. Canes tend to be small in diameter, except on very old bushes when the base canes get quite large. Don't need much pruning - they add mass as they mature. I only prune mine if they need to be kept off a path or the driveway. Oh, and they LOVE warm weather.

    Curious - where are you located, approximately, rosaceae, where you can't find CB? That astonished me - around here (Northern Calif) you cannot avoid it -it is in all of the local nurseries, and in about the garden of every third house.

    Jackie


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    Jacqueline, I'm in North East Mexico. There's not much of a "rose culture" here, so when you go to a nursery, roses aren't even labeled. They pretty much just differentiate them by colors, and what they sell is pretty much just HTs and minis.

    You have to figure out on your own what it is that you just bought, if you care at all, which the vast majority of people don't. It's pretty hard to find OGRs there. They are rare on parks and public spaces too, since the climate is not the best for them.

    Counting this one, I have seen only 5 OGR varieties or so used in landscaping of public spaces. And a handful more on private property.

    The climate is similar to that of south Texas, the difference is texans value roses much more, I think. So they go to greater lengths in irrigation and care or variety selection to make it work (still, I think there are a few species native to Tx. We don't have any, sadly).

    One day I might make an order on Rogue Valley, with CB in it; since they are pretty much the only international nursery I know of.