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Kordes Plum Perfect growth habit

My Plum Perfect is on Fortuniana rootstock from k & M roses . It was a 2 gallon plant . I planted it 3 months ago . I water/fertilize/mulch regularly . The growth is very slow for Fortuniana ,although it is flowering and the foliage is very healthy . My plant looks like a hybrid tea instead of a floribunda . one cane is really thick and growing tall ,the other 2 canes are thin and almost not growing . How can I encourage the plant to be more bushy ? and grow more basal breaks ?

I am scared of pruning it because right now it is small around 1 ft ,although the main cane is thick .

Comments (56)

  • SoFL Rose z10
    4 years ago

    Also, pinching just means cutting it back to promote branching. On small seedlings you just "pinch" off new soft center growth with your fingers and that promotes branching, so that's where the term comes from. On roses or other twiggy bushes you'll need to cut them as they are not soft like seedlings, but it's the same concept.

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  • pink rose(9b, FL )
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Thanks soFL Rose ! I cut Plum Perfect down to 8-9 inches like Chris advised and fertilized it , waiting now for the basals : )

  • SoFL Rose z10
    4 years ago

    Let me know how it goes. I'll let you know how mine does. What others do you grow that seem promising? If you don't already have them, heres a few that do well for me here in south Fl:

    easy does it (very good)

    dick clark

    evelyn

    heritage

    dames de Chennonceau

    Regatta

    europeana

    the faun

    all the drifts, particularly sweet drift

    olivia Austin

    pat austin (very good)

    Litchfield angel

    abe d

    darcey b

    wedding bells (very)

    cream veranda

    solero vigorosa

    roxy vigorosa

    the dark lady

    sophies rose

    earth angel

    william morris

    spirit of freedom

    collette

    beverly

    carefree beauty

    elegant fairy tale (but performs like a climber here)

    nahema

    belindas dream

    mrs b r cant

    duchess de brabant

    ebb tide

    traviata

    new dawn

    love

    electron

    pink promise

    grande dame

    gentle hermione

    and Huntington rose

    just to name a few lol





  • Prettypetals_GA_7-8
    4 years ago

    SoFl and Chris I wanted to try piling the mulch over a few of mine to promote more canes so should I wait until it gets closer to spring? It's been pretty warm but fixing to get in the 40's and 50's during the day and 30's at night. Can I use reg bagged mini pine bark nuggets or need something finer like soil conditioner? Plus do the pinching. Thanks, Judy

  • pink rose(9b, FL )
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    Thanks SOFL Rose for the list ! right now my roses are mostly young . plus I got a spider mite problem this month since the weather was warm ,which I was battling .

  • Prettypetals_GA_7-8
    4 years ago

    Thanks so much Chris. I will wait a little longer then before I do this. They are starting to grow due to the crazy warm Jan we have had but it's fixing to turn off cold. We all appreciate your help. Judy

  • SoFL Rose z10
    4 years ago

    That's so cool Chris. I've never heard of that method and will definitely be trying it out.

  • chris2486
    4 years ago

    Prettypetals if your plant is starting to leaf out you should do it now. You want it done as soon as the plant is making new growth. It will not harm the plant. Here in Oregon my plants are waking up too even though we are still below 32 at night.

  • erasmus_gw
    4 years ago

    Wow, that's a beautiful plant, Chris.

  • Prettypetals_GA_7-8
    4 years ago

    Ok I sure will Chris. I will do it this week. I absolutely love the blooms on PP. They last forever on the bush and in a vase. The color is just yummy. Thanks again!!

  • flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
    4 years ago

    Thank you, Chris, for all the good info. I was undecided about Plum Perfect until I saw this thread. I'm getting it for sure. That color is a little different than all the others in that category - at least of the ones I have.

  • chris2486
    4 years ago

    You are right it is quite a different color - warm as opposed to the cool gray-lavender tones like Poseidon. It mixes well with yellows and reds. here it is mixed with Lemon Fizz Kolorscape.


  • flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
    4 years ago

    Absolutely gorgeous! Thank you, Chris.

  • the_bustopher z6 MO
    4 years ago

    Thanks for the pictures of this rose. I will try to see if I can get one locally. It is pretty.

  • dollfanz
    4 years ago

    So Fl Rose, I can highly recommend another rose for other Fla rose growers. Cinco De Mayo. This is hands down the best cleanest rose in my garden of 20. I live in the black spot capital and she never gets it. I have her in tree form next to Julia Child and Easy Does it. Those 2 completely defoliated and she never lost a leaf. And the scent is wonderful. And OMG it never stops blooming. Most people are put off by the color in photos. Trust me this is a beautiful rose in person with a lot of scent. I just bought another one in tree form for my backyard. Will post some photos as soon as her buds open.

  • flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
    4 years ago

    I don't know anything about roses for Florida, but I do know about Cinco de Mayo. I almost didn't keep mine. I bought it because of the pictures of smoky, muted colors and loved how it changed from russet to smoky lavender. But, when I saw those bright neon orange buds, I was tempted to get rid of it before it bloomed into what I thought were going to be garish fluorescent orange blooms that would spoil the look of my pinks, peaches and maroons. I ended up loving the blooms so much, I, too, bought another one. Mine also bloom non stop and the foliage is robust and healthy. It's a nicely shaped bush without any shaping from me. Surprisingly blends in with other colors, especially those in the purple/lavender family. Or, peach. Beautiful with yellow. Prettier in person than any photo I've seen of it.

  • Volha Manusovich
    4 years ago

    I bought my Plum Perfect from Chamblee at this fall together with dark desire and Earth Angel. It was small when arrived, but now look fine, better then two others:


  • erasmus_gw
    4 years ago

    I'm just curious, Chris, if it always works out well for you to cut plants back hard. I am timid about doing that. I feel like a young plant needs its leaves. Seems like sometimes when I've pruned hard a plant will sulk and go downhill. Maybe if I had piled up the mulch, as you said, they would have done better. I like a well-branched plant.

  • Volha Manusovich
    4 years ago

    Today's blooms:

    The color is more lavender in reality. And even my husband like it.

  • Lilyfinch z9a Murrieta Ca
    4 years ago

    That's beautiful Volha ! I have one coming this week from chamblees. Do you grow violets pride ? I wonder how they compare and if I can live without it . Of course I can , but I think I want it ;)

  • Volha Manusovich
    4 years ago

    No I don't have violets pride. But Plum Perfect is a greate rose. It has glossy foliage and no bs. Looks really nice.

  • pink rose(9b, FL )
    Original Author
    4 years ago

    so I cut my Plum perfect like Chris said , really short 8-9 inches . After 3 months it is a little fuller .



  • kshaneje
    4 years ago

    So I just went outside and cut back a new rose that was planted last fall. It had 2 slender canes that were about 20 inches tall. No branches or buds. I was wondering what to do with them. Thanks!

  • enchantedrosez5bma
    3 years ago

    Chris- can this be done anytime or just in the spring? My Kosmos Fairytale has just one cane. It was bought last year or 2015 as own root and had quite a bit of winter dieback but still just grew one cane this spring. I am copying your info for future reference as it seems to work wonders. I hope I'm as successful as you :-)

    Thanks for any info.

    Sharon

  • chris2486
    3 years ago

    It can be done in spring and summer, but in colder climates it should not be done in late summer or fall as it encourages growth which will keep it from going dormant as it should before a hard frost. I think doing it in your zone in mid-July should be OK.

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  • enchantedrosez5bma
    3 years ago

    Thanks so much for the response Chris. I'll do this in the next couple of days.

  • enchantedrosez5bma
    3 years ago

    Chris- what kind of fertilizer? Something like Rosetone or liquid?

  • pink rose(9b, FL )
    Original Author
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    Chris

    Since Newflora website is no longer available , where can I look up information on US Kordes roses ?

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    3 years ago
    last modified: 3 years ago

    pink rose, I've found it on the Kordes site including the wonderful fragrance map for the Parfuma series. The only problem is cross-referencing the names which are often different in different countries. For example, Grafin Diana is Dark Desire and Rosengrafin Marie Henriette is Summer Romance. Then it's a matter of seeing if it's available here; HMF helps. Hopefully, Star Roses will pick up the ball at some point.

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  • R pnwz8a
    3 years ago
    Pink .. how is ur plum perfect doing?
  • pink rose(9b, FL )
    Original Author
    3 years ago

    Here it is .5 ft bushy plant .

  • R pnwz8a
    3 years ago
    Beautiful!!!
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  • SoFL Rose z10
    3 years ago

    I recently won best floribunda single bloom at the rose show with Plum Perfect :)

  • sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida 9a)
    3 years ago

    That's geat Pink rose! It really filled out! I'm going to try this on some of my roses.

    SoFL, congrats on your win!! :)

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  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    3 years ago

    Congrats on the win!!! Any pics of the bloom?

  • DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
    last year
    last modified: last year

    @chris2486 Thank you for the shaping tips! It's something I plan to try with all of my grandiflora/floribunda/shrub roses this year. What about subsequent years after they've been established? Do you still prune back to 8in?

  • chris2486
    last year

    The advice was for the very young plants that need to be encouraged to create new basal breaks. Once the rose has enough breaks to be well branched I usually prune to 2.5’ To3 3” feet tall and clean out the oldest canes in center to increase air circulation Once the rose bush is well shaped there is no right answer to how low to prunne tall you want the shrub to be when it is blooming.

  • rifis (zone 6b-7a NJ)
    last year

    Back when Chris posted the closeup photo of PP on her patio, she received many likes.

    But no one commented on the background palatial setting, with hints of other spectacular roses. And a ring of mountains off in the distance.

  • DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
    last year

    @rifis (zone 6b-7a NJ) Right? I totally caught that, and it really is amazing. I'm used to seeing spectacular, envy-worthy gardens on the internet that aren't mine though, lol


    I'm happy if I get a single one of my rose bushes to look as good as that one Plum Perfect.

  • philipatx
    last year

    @chris2486, I'm glad to see you on the forum still. Your PP has me drooling! That is probably the best whole-bush photo I've seen of it.


    Feel free to share *more* images of your plants! LOL.


    I've become a *huge* fan of the Kordes' roses, own-root, which you introduced over here, and Plum Perfect has shown incredible promise in my no-spray garden its first year. (DLEverette, in a few years, your Kordes roses might well look that nice. Imagine what Pink Rose's will probably look like this spring.)


    I do hope that Ball/Star follows through with the same sort of selection criteria. If Carmen Würth lives up to the claims of Kordes-rosen.de and is selected for introduction this fall, I'll be first in line!

  • DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
    6 months ago

    @chris2486 One last question. Will this also work with hybrid teas? I know they're supposed to be one to a stem, and that's what I'm going for, but will doing this when they're young allow for more basal stems to grow? I guess a better question is will this work for all roses (except for probably climbers)?

  • chris2486
    6 months ago
    last modified: 6 months ago

    Houzz popped this up in my email. Nice to be reminded of roses in my retirement. We have moved to the Olympic Peninsula and I have a new garden to work on in a very different climate. It has been fun. I did find a Plum Perfect to plant here. this summer.

    As to the question of pruning own root HTs yes do the same type of pruning when young. It may be even more important with HTs than with floribunda plants as they do not form new breaks as rapidly. I also would do this to climbers when very young but just once so that I had 2-3 breaks growing and I would prune out any subsequent breaks. It might just be me but I like foliage from the ground up and I am not fond of bare stems showing.

    Thanks for the memory.

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 months ago
    last modified: 6 months ago

    Welcome back! Glad to see you are enjoying your retirement and still gardening. And still have a few roses! :-) regarding mounding up around the climbers, do you suggest cutting them down also to 8 inches when they are small?

  • DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
    6 months ago

    @chris2486 Thanks for the reply! I had no idea you retired - congratulations!


    I never knew foliage from the ground up was possible, especially with hybrid teas. The season is almost over now, but I'm definitely gonna try this next season. Thank you for your advice, and I hope you continue to enjoy retirement! :-)

  • Sumera 9a_Houston
    6 days ago

    @chris2486 thank you so much for the valuable advice for novice gardeners like me.


    I have a summer romance going on 2 years in my garden. It grows beautiful foliage and is a very tall plant but no blooms since I planted it. I would really appreciate if you could help me with this plant. I wanted to ask if I could still try this pinching method on this older plant? Or something else can be done to promote blooms on it.

  • Sumera 9a_Houston
    6 days ago
    last modified: 6 days ago

    @chris2486

    Pictures of Summer Romance, it was bought in a nursery pot last year and looks like it maybe grafted. I’m not sure because the canes are woody at the bottom. I can take a picture of it tomorrow and post.




  • SoFL Rose z10
    6 days ago

    Most likely it is not grafted as most of the newer Kordes roses come on their own roots

  • Sumera 9a_Houston
    6 days ago

    @SoFL Rose z10 That's what it seems like to me as well. Thank you.