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Flat Flapjacks - or my weird Kalanchoe luciae

8 years ago
last modified: 8 years ago

As many of you know, I have quite a crop of K. luciae on a raised island in my yard. They put on quite a show of color in our cool winters.

Now, I have a patch of plants that are laying out flat. It looks like they are in the shade, but this is only the morning sun. Later they are in full sun.

Here you can see normal right next to flat. The spots are not scale, but little divots that the blackbirds poked into them. (I swear, it is a game with them. I come out and they start pecking. I think they are provoking me into chasing them!)

This is another closeup. In the upper right corner you can see a deflating stinkhorn fungus. I don't know if a fungus could be the problem?

It has been very very dry for us since October. I wonder if I am not watering them sufficiently - a different problem for me! These plants are at the top of this raised island, so maybe it is drying out faster?

I need to separate a lot of these, so maybe I should dig up one of these flat guys and look for scale under there. Scale tends to stay at the bottom of the plant, so I could be missing it. The leaves are rigid and feel just like the other, normal looking plants.

Any thoughts? Maybe I should just not worry about it. Hopefully, our rainy season will start later this month. Then I'll have a new worry! LOL

Comments (11)

  • 8 years ago

    any chance water could be dripping in the crowns of those specific plants (say, off the tree branches?)... crown damage from water and secondary rot or structural damage will cause Kalanchoe luciae to do that.

    Crenda 10A SW FL thanked palmbob
  • 8 years ago

    No idea but I'd definitely dig one up to try and figure out what's going on.

    Crenda 10A SW FL thanked ewwmayo
  • 8 years ago

    Someone recently (maybe Kara?) posted a picture she got from the internet with a spiral aloe that had gone flat. Maybe the poster remembers where that pic came from? And maybe the original site explains why it's flat?

    Crenda 10A SW FL thanked Pluto1415 (6a/b, NE Ohio)
  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Ya it was me:). The Aloe had rotted right down the middle. I will leave the link. I believe the owner of the Aloe thought it rotted because of the heat. I've read Spiral Aloes roots do not like their roots reaching temps above 80F. Little babies;). So they pretty much rot when too hot:(.

    Maybe a gopher ate the roots;)?

    Link:)

    Crenda 10A SW FL thanked Kara 9b SF Bay Area CA
  • 8 years ago

    Well, I didn't learn a whole lot by digging. I decided to dig up one of the plants that was really close to another --

    But it seems the roots are fused together. So they both came up. OTOH, the roots don't look bad.

    I was looking for fungus and nematode root knots, but all I saw was a little yellowish peat (left from something in the distant past!) and a few pieces of perlite.

    I saw no mealies or scale on any of the leaves, including those that I knocked off.

    There's no apparent damage, but palmbob got me to thinking . . . I wonder if falling or damaged palm fronds have strafed the tops of the plants? We haven't had much rain, but we've had some wicked winds. I also need to check and see if a sprinkler head is hitting this area, although I would think all the plants in that area would show signs of too much water.

    Hmm - very curious!

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    A succulent mystery! Looking at them up close you can really see how flat they are. What are you gonna do with it now:)?

    Crenda 10A SW FL thanked Kara 9b SF Bay Area CA
  • 8 years ago

    I don't know! LOL I guess I can just plant the one(s) I dug up in a different spot and see how they do. I'll watch the others, I guess, to see if they all get back to normal. These are very resilient plants, so they should rebound. But I would really like to know what caused this.

  • 8 years ago

    That's what I would do. See if they go back to normal.

    Maybe something covered it or fell on it. Looks like somebody sat on them:).

    Crenda 10A SW FL thanked Kara 9b SF Bay Area CA
  • 8 years ago

    I have similar symptoms in Aloes, Agaves and other succulents that have had water dripping into their crowns.... plants just go flat all of a sudden (and often die soon after that, or at least loose most of the center foliage).

    Crenda 10A SW FL thanked palmbob
  • 8 years ago

    Palmbob - I think you may be on to something. This may be a dumb question, but do Christmas palms drip something that could be more "toxic" (for lack of better word) during a dry spell? That's what has been throwing me. We have been dry dry dry and these rotty looking symptoms appear. During the rainy summers, not so much.

    I was looking more closely at other plants around my palms.

    Aloe x spinosissima is showing signs of crown rot!

    And a closer look -

    Notice how the leaves look kind of funky in the first picture? It feels like edema.

    I do have a couple of pups if this plant succumbs to rot. Shame if it does. This was the first year it finally bloomed.

    And a couple of Aloe vera are showing spots of some sort.

    I am not sure if there is a fungus or two at work on the Aloes and Kalanchoes. I am going to spray them with a copper sulfate solution. That worked the last time I had fungus starting.