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Help! DH Resisting...Need Pics. Of Non-Centered Window Sink

8 years ago
last modified: 8 years ago

This is not something I thought I needed to pay attention to so I have not saved photographs for DH examples. Many posters have urged me to move my sink so it will not be centered on the window. My DH is opposed, saying it will look like ----. I know it doesn't and can look okay because I have seen reveals that have off-centered sinks.

He hates change so remodeling has been STRESSFUL, to say the least. He also can not envision anything; he has to "see" it.

Am I limited to a single bowl to pull this off? I was leaning toward a Kohler Strive (apron front large/medium bowls) sink. Can off-setting a sink at a window work with that configuration or would I need a single bowl? The suggestion has been moving the sink down 9 inches.

Current kitchen to show window: there will be no wood trim framing the window; subway shaped tile will "die" into the window.

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  • 8 years ago

    Well, google "window sink not centered" and look at the images. My favorite is below. For people who cannot visualize, the best option is to give them less information. They don't need the details, they will soon see the details.

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  • 8 years ago

    I tried a google search, but did not find many photos that focused on the sink, or many were like the example you show: large window with the sink not centered. I need examples of part of the sink on the window and part on the wall. My window is 38" wide (inside measurement).

  • 8 years ago
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    Is that going to be one large window? Here's an in progress photo from our old kitchen. It's not centered on windows, but off to left. It was centered on A window though.

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  • 8 years ago

    Big sigh! No...unfortunately, window has to stay as is (newer windows and stucco exterior).

  • 8 years ago

    Here is one that is closer. Depending on budget, I would consider putting in a larger window and centering it on one half of the window, but I realize that may be cost-prohibitive. Either way, I would center the sink on one-half of the window or center the faucet. I think if you can visually make it look centered, it will work.


    As an aside, our Stages 45 will be off-center, but we decided to move the faucet to the center of the window to compensate. That was our designer's suggestion.


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  • 8 years ago

    Here are a few where the sink isn't entirely under the window from an old thread:


    Oh! and I found another thread too: http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/2444700/please-show-me-your-sink-not-in-middle-of-window

    My opinion: if the sink is off-center but still under the window, I wouldn't think twice about it. Off-center but not under the window like above...I think there is some trade-off on form for function. Can your KD do a 3D mock-up, or can you make one in Ikea?



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  • 8 years ago

    Once I narrow down some things, kd (works for custom cab. shop...hence my trying to focus on the design) I will have a mock-up done.

  • 8 years ago

    The sink isn't centered on the window. It isn't centered on the right pane either. However, my faucet is centered in the right pane.

  • 8 years ago

    Rantontoo, are you ditching the peninsula and shifting the dw and sink to the left? If so, then yes move the sink. Can you shift it further than 9" or is there an eat-in or slider beyond the peninsula?


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  • 8 years ago
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    Take your measurements, make an appointment at Home Depot, and have them do alternative layouts for you. They will print elevations so you can see what your space will look like with the sink on and off-center. Be sure you have the sink size. If you're lucky and the person you're working with is a talented designer (no guarantee, but entirely possible), you'll also get solutions and suggestions you may not have considered. You'll have potential layouts to share here for comments and suggestions. The big thing is that an off-center sink would drive some people nuts and others would be fine with it. The people in the nuts camp simply will not "get over it." You won't know which camp you'll fall into until you and DH are able to actually see it.

    The advantage here is that you'll have something concrete to look this week. You will not be obligated or pressured in any way to move forward towards actual purchase from them. You won't be depriving someone of being paid for their work because they are not dependent on commission. The store pays their salary one way or the other. The store is not shorted because their business model includes a certain percentage of customers going forward and a certain percentage not. No harm, no foul. This is not true of Lowe's. Last I heard their people work on commission.

    This is our not-quite-centered sink. Our old kitchen layout looked almost exactly like your current setup. We extended it about 15" beyond the original peninsula which ended about half way through the toaster oven, or half a drawer's worth. Our sink is about 3" off center, although the faucet is centered.

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  • 8 years ago

    I wonder if your DH is attempting to envision the sink being moved in your CURRENT configuration (i.e. with so much wood trim around the window), rather than 'seeing' the sink with the new look to the window - I hope you will take suzanne_sl advice and get something drawn up with the various changes (sink moved, window trim removed, etc.)

    rantontoo thanked new-beginning
  • 8 years ago
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    Peninsula will be gone along with a wall separating the living room and kitchen/dining area; I plan to add an island. This is the layout thread where several suggestions were made about shifting the sink down the cabinet run. It includes possible one dimensional plans. http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/4670512/design-advice-needed-void-corner-for-dish-storage?n=39

  • 8 years ago

    Putting the faucet centered in the window helps not notice that the sink is not centered.


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  • 8 years ago
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    new-beginnings: that has been the issue repeatedly as we remodel. Once something is changed (after much pushing) and he sees it, he usually thinks it was a good idea...sigh.

  • 8 years ago
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    So stop passing everything by him first. He gets it eventually. Sprint forward. He'll catch up.

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  • 8 years ago

    Personally, I would do Buehl's last Friday, 12:35 plan but with the bigger sink base and lose the 6" by the dw. But her last plan w the 6" and dw is great too!

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  • 8 years ago
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    eam44: easier said than done on big things...other kinds of details no problem. He needs to be "eased" into big changes and think about it; thus, my request for some visual examples so he understands that other people have done this. This is a man who still "loves" his 1980 spindles!

  • 8 years ago

    Have you selected cabinets and countertops yet? I think you're going to have an amazing before & after!

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  • 8 years ago

    mtnmom9: cabinets are my next post. They will be a custom, modified shaker on a stained hickory floor. With a windows stain I am not a big fan, I am leaning painted cabs. That last beulah plan is why I posted about not centered sinks. I am just not sure about a 30 inch sink so would like to see if 36 inches can work.

  • 8 years ago

    Faucet set up can help. Also, I have drawers for a sink base so there isn't an off center break for sink base doors.

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  • 8 years ago

    jmarino19: how does that work? Do you have pictures to share? Are the drawers shallow or do they go around the pipes?

  • 8 years ago

    It's taken on an angle but it's the only photo I have handy... Our sink is about 4 inches off center to the left. I didn't want to center the faucet either on the entire window or on just the left half of the window. Instead I centered the faucet on the sink and then put the sprayer 4 inches off the other direction. That way the faucet and sprayer when considered as one unit are centered on the window.

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  • 8 years ago

    In my old house, the sink was centered on the center stile of our window. I didn't see out the window, I stared dead center at old paint-chipped trim-work! I hated it. When I pointed that out to my step-dad, an older retired GC, said he never thought about it like that. The sink isn't really centered on the window! It's centered to the frame which makes the view less pleasant with a double window.

    If you use Buehl's last design are you able to center the sink on the lefthanded window?

    Also keep in mind, the new island will at least partially obscure the view of the sink cabinet.

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  • 8 years ago
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    jmarino19: Do you mean take the sink and the left half of the window (approximately 18.5 inches) and center the sink on the 18.5 inches if it needs a 36 inch cabinet?

    I like your sink cab!

  • 8 years ago

    Yes, I think that's what I mean. Whether you do the 30" or 36" cab.

    If things must be centered then why not try to focus on that leftside glazed opening? Your current set up seems to demand being centered: Double sink centered in a double-door cabinet, centered on the double window center and a centered faucet! But, if the sink style and faucet change then maybe the center focus can change too.

    I notice faucet location much more than the under-mounted sink. I notice the center of the sink cabinet doors being off, out of line, with the stiles above, more than any sink. Will you have a side spray? That also impacts the feel and centeredness of the sink.


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  • 8 years ago

    Sink with have a low arc spray faucet and soap dispenser.

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    jmarino, you've made some really cool choices - have I missed your reveal? I love what you emphasize. Who cares if things look centered when you're not in the space - make sure you have a great view! Words to live by :-)

    Did you choose the waterstone faucet over the Karbon? Do you like it?

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  • 8 years ago
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    Are you moving the stove down? It appeared that way in your layout in the other thread but you didn't include measurements. You'll also gain prep space with the counter cabinet gone. And you'll have an island. So I didn't think that corner was as important for prep as buehl indicated in her posts. I think you should get your apron-front sink and center it on the window.

    I would still like to see a little less congestion on the sink wall by stealing from the dining room, so maybe you could add a cabinet to the left of the sink. If you only have 9" to sacrifice, you might put an open cutting board or towel-drying cabinet in between the sink and DW.

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  • 8 years ago
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    I agree with Mayflowers that you should steal some space from the Dining Room for the kitchen. I think in small spaces, sometimes you have to cheat the recommended aisle and seating clearances a bit to fit everything in. I think you should play with your dining room table and a tape measure and see how much space you really need...you've said before that you will only be seating a crowd on occasion and the rest of the time its only you and DH. Personally I like the sink centered on the window, and I think you may do most of your prepping at the island and not between stove and sink. I'm speaking as a homeowner that is doing a renovation on a similarly sized kitchen and layout, and not as a designer by any means.

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  • 8 years ago

    I am moving the stove down and replacing it with a cooktop. I tried to eke out 30" between the cooktopand the corner of the L; if I center a 36" sink under the window, there is 12" to the L-corner.

    We are still discussing the pros/cons of removing the short wall where the oven cab will be and where the fridge is now; it would gain me 5 inches but that is a high traffic corner...agonizing over inches....sigh.

  • 8 years ago
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    Stay with it. Sweating the details--and the inches will payoff in the end.

    Have you selected the specific sink, faucets, appliances? Sometimes those selections and instsllation reqs can drive the design more in one direction or another.

    why not remove the wall if you have the option to shift cooktop and gain counter space? Is the concern, folks turning the corner into an open oven or wear to the side panel/cubbard?

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  • 8 years ago

    Short wall removal....My concern is dinging that cab...especially if I go with painted cabs.

  • 8 years ago

    Are you keeping the bulkhead/soffit above the upper cabinets? From your previous pics, it looks like this soffit naturally dies into the short wall that you're considering removing.

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    No bulkhead...cabs to the 1980s (energy-conscious or builder cost-cutting) 8 foot ceiling; I hope it helps to visually lift the space and give me some not-so-convenient storage for rarely used things. My goal is everything "kitcheny" in the kitchen-dining space. Right now, various items are scattered and tucked into whatever storage I found in the rest of the house. The one thing I cannot fit are the extra table leaves...they might have to stay under a bed, but I dislike them there.

  • 8 years ago

    There are lots of paint-finished cabinet end-panels on tall pantry or oven cabinets positioned like what are considering. I doubt a well done factory finish cabinet panel is more suspectible to damage than a painted sheetrocked wall. Maybe it's repair that we need to address. Here are some ideas: get extra touch up paint for the factory finish. Or have that panel site-finished with a regular paint rather than a lacquer so it's easier for you to touch up. I'm sure I'm not using the right terms. Alternatively, maybe you should hide the dings? Maybe consider a stained cabinet end panel or consider a two toned kicthen?

    To protect the cabinet sides most concerning to me, I finished the cab sides in plywood. Easy for us to hand sand and refinish of it gets banged. And we liked the look for our house. Excuse the kid dessert mess.

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  • 8 years ago
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    There's no sink on the island...so that makes it inconvenient for any extensive prepping. That's why the corner will be much more useful - it has access to water and the range. No taking things out of the refrigerator, taking them to the sink, rinsing/washing, pick them up and move them to the island...

    The corner gives you: take things out of the refrigerator, take them to the sink, rinsing/washing, continue prepping right there...

    If more space can be taken from the Dining Room, then you can gain some space, but I'm not sure how much it helps the sink issue - it will not change anything on the range wall or b/w the sink and the corner. It's the window that's the issue, not the space in the Dining Room.

    Now, if you are willing to make major changes and the sink does not have to be under the window at all, then it might be possible to come up with something more functional...

    [Since you're getting an apron sink, it will be more noticeable than if you have an standard type undermount sink. However, with the island blocking most of the sight lines, it may not be an issue.]

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  • 8 years ago

    I posted another piece whether I needed a sink in that island orientation...consensus was a sink wasn't needed. The island is max 63" so it would cut up the work-space expanse in the island.


  • 8 years ago

    Another option is to switch back to a range and a MW drawer in the island - you gain 31.5" on that wall.

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    EVERYTHING in a small kitchen is a trade-off when remodeling!

    buehl: I have thought about that but would reverse ice-water-stone-heat and go: shortwall-fridge-dishwasher-sink-L corner-prep space under window-range. Not many people were thrilled with that option in my first post. I'm fairly sure that a wall oven cab for perimeter prep space is a trade-off I am willing to make. I would ditch the short wall and pray for no dings first.

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  • 3 years ago

    Did I read somewhere that you remodeled your entire oak trimmed home? I am overwhelmed and looking for advice on my 1994 home which has oak everything. Thank you in advance for any advice.