Young Lycidas is a somewhat unruly plant but there is something about the flowers that really appeals to me. It's just a matter of personal opinion, unless one rose is demonstrably superior to the other one. In your case you may have to toss a coin!

YL is floppy and Falstaff upright, if that helps. If your idea is another upright, because your Savannah is tall, Falstaff is your man. I would like a draper next to an upright myself, so I might go with YL.

I've craved YL since Ingrid's posted images on the forum. Gorgeous! I like rugosas in general. But Falstaff is a LOVELY thing with good scent. I planted it in a few client's gardens back in the day, a sub when Tradescant was unavailable. I think Sheila's suggestion is a good one. If you like both, select for habit. Carol

Wow, Diane! Changing my vote to YL. Carol

My vote goes 100% to Young Lycidas! He is a great rose; very beautiful and blooms a lot. I actually love the draping habit. The flowers of Falstaff are quite beautiful, but for me he is an incredibly stingy bloomer. The spring flush isn't that generous, and then after that, basically nothing. He might do better in this regard if I were to fertilize more, but for the most part, my rule is that roses have to do well not only in my climate, but also with the care I am willing/able to give them. I simply can't afford the time or $ to fertilize them more than their spring organics and the occasional top dressing with manure, etc. Anyway, given my rather austere rose regimen, I can tell you YL is a really good performer. And just gorgeous! Best of luck with whatever you decide!

Thank you I think Young lycidas is the way to go I like the color and the way he drapes. And Diane amazing amazing pictures

YL has a fabulous fragrance and blooms 10 times as much as Falstaff here. Falstaff has a beautiful flower and no fragrance I can detect.

Diane, those pictures are simply wicked, they did things to my heart. I can't imagine any rose being that purple in my soil and climate, but I'm tempted to order one immediately just on the off chance.

Thanks so much for your comments. I like YL very much, though I think he needs some trimming back right now. I just cut a bloom this morning for a bud vase--he is in bloom throughout the season no matter the heat. I don't know anything about Falstaff, but Cori Ann loves him, and he does well in her extreme heat. She has posted lots of photos of Falstaff, too. Diane