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What’s wrong with my Earth Angel(s)

8 years ago

I have two Earth Angel roses in two different Rose beds and both are showing these yellow leaves on the lower branches. It’s not blackspot or any other of the major rose diseases that I know of. And it’s only on Earth Angel, but on both of them. the new growth is extremely heal on both of them. But they just look yucky with all these yellow leaves. I’m perplexed.





All the other roses in the same bed are not affected.



Comments (21)

  • 8 years ago

    Looks like mosaic virus.

  • 8 years ago

    Looks more like a deficiency of some sort to me...magnesium or iron chlorosis maybe?


  • 8 years ago

    agree with ebharvey1. looks like rmv https://www.heirloomroses.com/info/care/roses/about-rose-virus/

    dirtdoctor makes a spray for fungal and viral problems that might help- if it helps with the rosette, it can help woth other problems too.

    https://www.dirtdoctor.com/garden/Rose-Rosette-Cure-Newsletter_vq3997.htm

  • 8 years ago
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    But doesn’t RMV only affect grafted roses? Mine are all own root.

  • 8 years ago
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    SoFL, your plants may be own root, but if EVER in their propagation history the cuttings came from an infected grafted plant, the virus would be passed into the propagated plants, even though they are not grafted. It's not whether your plants are own root, but whether they were propagated from an infected plant. Your plants could even be several generations of cuttings away from the original infected plant.

    Unfortunately, that does look like mosaic to me. The yellow veining is less common than yellow mottling/spotting, but there are actually a whole family of viruses that are called rose mosaic. If it were a mineral deficiency, normally the veins remain green and the interstices are what go yellow or pale. But plants can live for years without being mortally affected by mosaic. The yellow leaves are indeed ugly, but when the weather warms up, the new leaves are usually green. Hot weather seems to force the virus(es) into inactivity. If you notice a weakening of plant vigor over time, you can replace your EAs, but it might never happen in your warm climate. With your long growing season, they may be able to outgrow any lessening of vigor. So I'd wait until truly hot, summer weather arrives to see if that cures the cosmetic problem.

    John

    SoFL Rose z10 thanked fig_insanity Z7b E TN
  • 8 years ago

    Apparently there are now about 25 viruses known to infect roses.

    https://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publication/?seqNo115=339038

    For Florida:

    http://nwdistrict.ifas.ufl.edu/phag/2014/11/14/re-emergence-of-rose-mosaic-disease-in-florida-nurseries-and-landscapes/

    What if this is one that is spread by insects such as aphids?

    https://sites.google.com/site/rosespringdwarf/home

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    My general rose virus information can be found at:

    https://sites.google.com/site/rosevirusindexpage/


  • 8 years ago

    It looks like some sort of chemical loss to me. The pattern is too similar in all of the leaves to be mosaic. Before getting rid of the roses, try adding manganese and see if the leaves respond to it.

  • 8 years ago

    What John said above kind of makes sense to me. Because the new growth on top is all clean. Does RMV affect mature leaves, or are they "born" that way? I have a virused Elegant Fairy Tale that seems to have "outgrown" her virus. After about 3 years she never showed signs again. Thats not to say it wont show up again, but...

    Does RMV affect blooming? Both my EAs are great vigorous plants but bloom rarely. Same for my Elegant FT. But that could just be coincidence. Funny thing is, now I cant remember where I got them. I kinda want to say it was Chamblees, but not sure.

    Anyone else grow an Earth Angel with funny leafs?

  • 8 years ago

    I ask that about the leafs because they were not like this when they first emerged. They turned this color after a while.

  • 8 years ago
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    SoFL, even in my garden, with a much shorter growing season, I've not noticed much reduction of blooming, except over a period of YEARS. For me, it has been a very slow decline of a couple of plants. Others that I've lost to winter may have had mosaic as a contributing factor due to stress and loss of vigor. That probably won't be a factor for you.

    I searched and googled, but the only photos I could find online that resemble your affected leaves was a type of mosaic. None of the mineral deficiencies showed as yellow veins. With magnesium and manganese deficiencies the veins remain green while the rest of the leaf yellows. With iron deficiency the leaf tends to turn paler overall, but the veins are still darker than the rest of the leaf.

    Heirloom Roses has a good (in a bad way) photo of the vein banding:
    Mosaic Vein Banding

    And here's an even uglier one:
    Two Types of Banding

    And this page has banding pictured along with photos of the more common mottling:
    Various Symptoms/Patterns of Mosaic

  • 8 years ago

    Please let us know if the virus like symptoms disappear in hot weather. (This information can be used to rule out some / a number of the rose viruses.)

    This pattern is unusual enough that one of the rose virus researchers may be interested in testing it with the molecular methods available.


  • 8 years ago

    I really hope it's just a deficiency of some kind.

  • 8 years ago

    Me too, but it seems more and more to me that it might be RMV. I'm so bummed. I cant remember where I got it either. I feel like I got it from Chamblees, but they no longer offer it. i wonder if its because their stock was virused. Id like to try one that isnt virused to see if its a better bloomer. Mine both grow very vigorously, but have very little bloom.

  • 8 years ago

    The only other thing i was thinking was drought. There may have been a time where I forgot to water the roses or didnt water them enough and they got a bit of drought damage. Maybe EA was more sensitive to it? I'm grasping at straws here maybe. But its a thought.

  • 8 years ago
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    SoFl Rose,

    That rose is not drought stressed. It looks lush and cared for meticulously!

    If you look at the images shown on a web search for 'Rose Mosaic Virus' you will see a variety of patterns of the disease, some of which seem to look like your Earth Angels' leaves. I am sorry for this to happen to you.

    If you intend to remove them, I would suggest another variety of rose. Your observation of your Earth Angel's sparse blooming may be a genetic trait, not the result of a disease.

    Mine is robust, disease free, and rock solid winter tip hardy, but not very abundant/quick repeat in bloom. It could be its youth, and I will give it more time (the flower is lovely, super fragrant, and long lasting...nods, though), but I have my doubts about it being a permanent fixture in my rose garden if it proves to be slow to repeat and sparse of bloom.

    May I suggest you take a look at Milwaukee's Calatrava. It's a Will Radler rose, but unlike his Knock Outs, it's very fragrant!

    I believe I got my Earth Angel from Chamblee's in 2015, no earlier. Its first year it grew slowly, thereafter it took off. It has never shown Rose Mosaic Virus leaves so far. it may yet, if Chamblee's Earth Angels were virused and mine is, just not showing it yet. If he sold virused roses knowing it, oh boy! I will keep and eye on it.

    Moses

    SoFL Rose z10 thanked Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & hot-humid S, z6
  • 8 years ago

    Thank you to everyone. I really appreciate everyones input. I will wait and see before removing it. If it was something really horrible like RRV it would be gone, but as such I'll keep an eye on it and try not to stress too much. Perhaps it will outgrow this like Chris says, or perhaps it will shake of the RMV if that is the case. Either way if it doesnt improve it will be removed. I will take a look at Milwaukee's Calatrava. For some reason i thought maybe it wouldnt be heat loving as the name alone seems to indicate its for the north. Ha!

  • 8 years ago
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    Oh my gosh! Is that our Chris!?!? It's lovely to hear from you!

  • 8 years ago

    SoFL, you are getting advice from the best so I feel kind of silly piping in. But I had three Earth Angels do what yours are doing. And I found a few others that had the same problem also last year.

    I don't have them anymore because they became giant in our climate so this info is a year old.

    But basically, every time that we watered enough for the Austins, EA turned yellow like this on the bottom. Maybe the extra water was diluting some mineral that is needed more than the others?

    Never figured it out but it certainly never stunted them and they bloomed fine.

  • 8 years ago

    Yes mine don’t seem to be suffering too much, so I’m just going to let them brush it off. I gave them both some liquid fertilizer (Scott’s bloom something or other) and a handful of slow release. One just gave me the most perfect (and deliciously scented bloom). Honestly EA would be the perfect rose, if only she bloomed more. It’s very healthy, very vigorous and mannerly. I’m hanging on to mine and hoping for more profuse blooming as it ages.

  • 8 years ago

    SoFL rose

    I am not an expert , but looks like Magnesium deficiency .Try applying 1/4 cup Epsom Salts to each bush . It wouldn't hurt anyway .