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Order of kitchen remodel: what comes first, 2nd, last?

7 years ago

Hi everyone,


We are remodeling our kitchen. We are going to refinish our oak cabinets, change tile floors to engineered wood floors to match the rest of the house, demo the tile countertops and backsplash and add quartz countertop and new subway tile backsplash. We are curious: what should be the order of the remodel? We are hiring different companies/people to do all of this so we need to schedule people at different times and I am getting a little confused as to the ideal order. Here are the steps and people involved, is this the ideal order? Or would you change anything around. I know it seems strange to hire different people but believe it or not, it has come out to be more affordable and we can have people who are "experts" at doing each of the steps instead of 1 person who does a little of everything. So here's the order:


1) Demo tile floors

2) Demo countertops and backsplash

3) Remove old fluorescent light box and add recessed lights on ceiling

4) Refinish oak cabinets to white

5) Install quartz countertop and new sink

6) Install new engineered hardwood floors to match house

7) Install new subway tile backsplash (this step has to be the last one since we are also changing a window above our kitchen sink and we can't tile around it until the window is changed and it takes 4-6 weeks to receive and have the window installed)


Your feedback is much appreciated!

Thanks!





Comments (15)

  • 7 years ago

    Not saying you can't do this by yourselves, but...……..you need a conductor, a general contractor, some one who coordinates all these players.

  • 7 years ago

    First, see if the engineered hardwood is still available. Second, take a drawer to the local lumber yard to see if it is really oak- it doesn't look like it in the photos. Third, ask at your local paint store what kind of finish it has and if it can be stripped using standard homeowner methods or if it has to be sanded off.

    Do you already know which steps will require permits from your local building department? Will updates to electrical or plumbing to meet code be required?

  • 7 years ago

    From what I remember about my remodel, which had a project manager, this was the order.

    Demo countertops and backsplash and remove old fluorescent light box and add recessed lights on ceiling. Demo tile floors.

    Install window - as soon as it comes in. Not dependent on other jobs.

    Install new engineered hardwood floors.

    Refinish oak cabinets to white - make sure the new floor is covered.

    Install quartz countertop and new sink.

    Install new subway tile backsplash. This is normally last.

  • 7 years ago

    Thanks so much! We are not doing these things ourselves- we are hiring a professional refinishing company to sand/paint the cabinets, a hardwood floor company to install, etc. It’s more the timing of everything that needs to be planned. Several people have told us that these are wood custom cabinets. We had debated with replacing or refinishing and decided on refinishing due to people telling us they were good quality and we don’t want to pay double the price for worst quality cabinets. Hopefully that was true! Thanks for providing the order! That helps a lot!!!

  • 7 years ago

    Don't forget about your ceiling!

  • 7 years ago

    Thanks!The recessed light people will leave the ceiling ready to paint (sanded, etc). We will paint at the very end when everything is done. I’m assuming that’s what you’re referring to?

  • PRO
    7 years ago

    There is no way to have all of these trades working in a space with no planning. They will all think they have priority and that is why you need a conductor to oversee the work . To save a few bucks and have nothing but bedlam is not the way to go.IMO there are very few homeowners capable of being their own GC.

  • 7 years ago

    In our remodel the flooring was done before the counters were installed. I think your cabinets look more like maple than oak.

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    There are reasons GC costs money, sometimes BIG Money. But they prevent disasters.

    Just to name a few, GC's work including planning sequence of events, scheduling work, mitigating risks, progress, verifying results, controlling costs and most important, providing solutions for anything unexpected.

    Do you know how long each job would take, and how much it would cost?

    Do you know how much slack you need to leave between each jobs and each stage of the project? Which should come first? which could wait for a while?

    Do you know how to recover if any work is behind schedule?

    Do you know how to adjust budget and cost if you have cost overrun?

    Do you know the requirement of each task? Can you judge if any task meeting standards and requirements? Can you tell a good job from a bad one?

    Do you have contingency plan for any event and risk, such as heavy rain stops transporting of your order that is 3 states away. A contractor has to reschedule work because his wife gives birth a couple of weeks earlier. An item you order does not arrive in time or the vendor sends a wrong item or item has missing parts or defectives?

    Are you good at settling dispute with vendors, smoothing conflicts between different contractors or job shops? Can you use languages that building department employees, inspectors, vendors and contractors understand? The list goes on and on. At times even you have plenty money it would not help, since money could not buy time.

    If you have 100 percent confidence answering all of the above questions (they are only a subset of issues and problems), you still need extra capacity and competency to handle anything unexpected, unplanned, failed, and...etc.

  • PRO
    7 years ago

    I prefer Prime & Paint before cabinets installed then touch up after. Much harder to paint around new cabinets without paint getting on them. I saved in labor time, too, because they didn't have to tape & wrap everything.

    Some do it the other way,

    https://www.houzz.com/discussions/which-comes-first-painting-walls-or-installing-cabinets-dsvw-vd~2671010


  • PRO
    7 years ago

    I'm joining the chorus and suggest that you hire a GC. Here's another thing to consider, the trades are more likely to do work for a GC, where they get repeat business than with a homeowner. So, if there is a labor shortage in your area, your project will be lower on the priority list. If one trade starts late or finishes late, then your entire schedule is at risk and you'll be left rescheduling other trades. Once trades get rescheduled, your project will wind up even lower on the priority list. I'm sorry that I'm sounding pretty negative - but this is human nature. If you want to try the journey of being your own contractor, see if you can find trades who work primarily for homeowners and that might help. If you're more focused on the destination of enjoying your new kitchen, then hire a gc. : )

  • 7 years ago

    This is going to be a long process if you hire everyone individually and give them plenty of time to complete their work before the general contractor comes in.


    Also, those are pretty cabinets. Are you sure you want them refinished to white? I think that the floors, lighting, countertops (and sink) and backsplash) would be a lovely transformation. If you paint the cabinets white it will be a very white on white kitchen.

  • PRO
    7 years ago

    If you even have to ask this question, you are not ready to GC the job. Before you demo anything, interview some contractors, tell them what you want to do, and have a budget in mind. They can then give you a ballpark estimate of the cost. You don't know what you don't know.

  • 7 years ago

    Your process looks good. We renovated our kitchen recently and my husband acted as GC. He is pretty experienced with construction. We live in Northern CA and contractors are in high demand. We experienced the situation mentioned by Fry Construction Co, being low on the priority list. We also ran into issues we had to figure out that would have been second nature to a GC. It's really a trade-off, we saved a lot of money but it took a lot longer (about a year), and it was a high stress process. Still turned out beautiful. I'm definitely happy. Hope it goes well for you!