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Need help with recessed lighting for open concept living room area

6 years ago
Recessed lighting for living room area
Please bear with me, I know this is a long post but I wanted to make sure I gave as much info as you need to help me. First of all let me start by saying I like a lot of light.
That being said I will have dimmers on the majority of the lighting to accommodate the times when more subdued lighting is wanted. I’m having problems with the recessed light placement in the living room area. I want adequate recessed lighting to be able to see what I’m doing by turning the light up full with the dimmer switch (I read, knit, sew and do crafts as a hobby) without it looking garishly overlit. I will have some lighting from lamps but due to not having furniture purchased or a definite idea of a furniture layout yet I’m not sure where I will need lighting. I did go to a lighting designer and she helped confirm and tweak the lighting in the rest of the house but she suggested only 4 recessed lights in the living room. I added just a couple more lights in the kitchen/dining area than she proposed because it seemed dark in a couple areas. WF4 LED 27K MW M6 LITHONIA wafer lights are being used based upon her recommendation, except in the areas over the mantle, above the window seat, and above the sinks in the kitchen. In those areas WF3 LED 27K MW M6 LITHONIA lights will be used. The ceilings are 8’, the floors will be a medium to dark stained oak (think not blonde and not espresso but in between) and the walls light colored. The fireplace is a wall of painted white brick with firewood storage on either side of firebox (DH would not agree to a reface or modification but finally agreed to let it be painted and a chunky wood mantle added), the window seat faces NW under a covered front porch so not a lot of light source, and the baseboards and window/door trim are white. The kitchen cabinets are white, countertops are Carrara marble, and the counter height T-shaped marble island has bar height seating along one side with a chair height wood stained tabletop at the end of the island with chunky pedestal legs. (11 grandkids and counting plus 11-12 adults at Thanksgiving will overrun even this amount of seating!)
In addition please comment on the placement of lights in the kitchen/dining areas. I readily admit I need help. I thought paying a lighting designer for advice would solve all my problems and maybe it has and I’m just being obtuse. If I am, I’ll gladly admit to that also after I get some feedback. Of all the decisions I’ve made on this house, this has been the hardest thing to wrap my head around.
On the attached plans the yellow dots are the wafer lights, the red dots are 3” wafer lights and the green dots are light fixtures. Thanks for your help!

Comments (7)

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Do you know how much light each puts out? I like all recessed lights with 15w A19 led dimmable bulbs. Each puts out 1600 lumens. 3000K isn't as yellow as the 2700K spec'ed.

  • 6 years ago

    660L

  • 6 years ago

    They are also 80CRI

  • 6 years ago
    Would this work or be too many as far as aesthetics for the ceiling? I would like them all on the perimeter but don’t see how that will give me enough light in the middle of the room if they’re spaced about 9 feet apart from the front to the back and 12 feet apart side to side.
  • 6 years ago
    I like a lot of light as well.

    I think everything is well lit except for your family room. Definitely not enough light in there (especially if you want the option of a brightly lit space. There is no center lighting and everything has been arrange around the edges of the room. IMO, what you have is a HUGE span with zero lighting which is not at all adequate. Some people prefer room edge lighting and that’s what they’ll recommend. But if you like a lot of light, I don’t think the way your designer set things up will satisfy that need.

    If it was my home, even though the ceilings are only 8 feet, I would want a center fixture (small chandelier or semi flush)...something pretty. If you are not sure about your furniture placement they can always install the box with lots of extra wire looped in the ceiling so you can adjust it later. Just take pics of your ceiling joists when it’s all opened up (if it is opened up) so you know where everything is located. Makes it easier later. You’ll have a little sheetrock repair, but completely manageable. I would add more cans/wafers around the center of the room and put them on a dimmer. You can always turn them off or dim them if it’s too much light, but if there’s nothing there, you’re stuck with a dark room and no real way to fix it (other than having your electrician return and hack up your ceiling).

    I’m not a fan of LED, but some people love it. Just make sure you like the type of light they put out before you bite the bullet on them.
  • 6 years ago
    Thanks Nidnay! So you feel that even with the 7 lights designated by the blue dots it’s not enough? I’m a little leery of another light fixture since I’ve got one in the entry area, one over the dining table and 3 matching pendants over the island/table. I’m afraid things will get too cluttered looking since it’s all open. From the front door you would then be able to see all four different types of fixtures. I’m not sure what other choices in recessed/wafer lighting I have if not LED. I’ve seen what too white a light can do but not what it looks like if it’s too yellow. My daughter hated her too white basement so much when they got it done she paid the contractor to change all the can lights to a more yellow light before they moved in. She just doesn’t remember if she ever knew what Kelvin they were before or what she had now. Maybe I need to find a lighting store that can show me the difference. I failed to check that out when I met with the lighting designer. Since we’re so rurally located it’s 60 miles or more to any city big enough to sustain a lighting design business so it’s not just a matter of popping over to one some day. Thanks for your input though! So much to consider!
  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    I think you do need to compare different color temperatures of led lights. 2700K is the most yellow. It is supposed to mimic incandescent bulb light. 3000K is still very warm. 5000K or 6000K are more blue and cool. But the CRI is also important because this number shows how accurately colors are reproduced. 80 is as low as I've seen. 90 or above is recommended. The A19 bulb(classic light bulb shape) I use is available at Costco(Feit brand) or Home Depot. Again, I don't like the design look of wafer lights. Here's an example of 5" recessed cans that will accept the A19 bulb because they use an E26 socket. They work fine for new construction or remodel. Remember these bulbs are only 15w but will produce 1600 lumens of dimmable flood light. You'd need fewer to light your space. Here's an example of 4" recessed cans that use the E26 socket and will take an A19 2-3/8" by 4-3/8" bulb.

    5000K is Daylight and may be too cool white.

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