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island vs peninsula in kitchen and hood vent design question

7 years ago

We are in the process of building an apartment over a 3-car garage on our son's property. This will be a two bed/two bath unit primarily used by my husband and I along with occasional guests with the potential of using it as a rental sometime in the future. It will be a self contained unit with private access. Total square footage is approx 1000 sq. feet.

My biggest angst has been the kitchen layout. Due to the door placement and an installed window I have restricted wall space. Basically, think of an L shape with the short leg being immediately to your left as you enter the unit. I have 7' of wall to work with (minus a door frame) and then 13' of wall with a 3'6"x3' window centered on that length. The room is about 14' wide and will also be the main walkway through the house. The kitchen, dining, and living area will be one large room potentially having a peninsula dividing the kitchen from the dining area.

Our choice of kitchen design layout is either a U shape or an L with an island. Both options seem to work on paper but I'm not sure which is most usable or best looking. In both options it seems we will most likely have to place the range unit in either the peninsula or the island.

My husband seems to like the idea of a stainless steel hood vent suspended over the range. I am questioning whether or not it will seem overly large in such a small space or block the view into the living space and out the windows (this is a mountain property with spectacular views). In searching Houzz I haven't seen many hoods over the islands with cooktops so it is hard to get a visual. I like the idea of a range with a downdraft but that is somewhat problematic with venting in this space besides those units getting some negative reviews about impacting the flame (we will be on propane).

Any thoughts on the design layout or hood vs down draft options? Thank you so much!

Comments (20)

  • 7 years ago

    Can you post a floor plan?

    dlmsc thanked 12358w
  • 7 years ago

    In a small space where storage is at a premium, an L shape is usually better. Cooktop in an island is not ideal, and you likely will need a range rather than having space for a wall oven? I'm not sure it's even possible to a range in an island...

    A floor plan would be helpful, but I suspect the best layout will be to put the range in the 7' run (standard range is 30", so this leaves you 15" on either side of the range--enough for a little landing space, plus the corner area on one side). From the counter with the range, you'll have 11 or so feet left in the 13' run. Put your fridge at the farthest end (30-36"), leaving you about 3' of prep space on either side of the sink, which would be centered in the remains run, depending on how/where the window is.

    If you did this L, you would have room for either a 7' peninsula. The island would be much smaller; you need a walkway at either end, so likely on a few feet of space or even a kitchen cart.

    The alternative layout--no L--is to put the fridge at either end if the 13' run, then the range wherever it makes sense with the window, and the sink in your nice big 5' island or 9' peninsula. This is also very functional (although more of a 1 person cooking layout), but means forgoing the sink at the window (not a big deal to many, a big deal for some).

    Personally, and given that DH and I like to be in the kitchen together, I would prefer the L, with a mobile kitchen cart which gives the whole space some flexibility.

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  • PRO
    7 years ago

    Without a floor plan with details it is impossible to tell you.

  • 7 years ago
    Our old house had a cooktop in the island, because from there, you could see a beautiful view of the lake. The cooktop was a Jenn Air with a downdraft. Worked wonderfully and solved the problem of having a range hood block the view. I think downdraft is the way to go.
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  • 7 years ago

    I've had two slide-in Jenn-Air ranges side by side for 28 years. One is gas, the other electric, both with electric ovens. The two downdraft exhausts work beautifully. There were knock-out rings that increased the size of the ducts.

    If you want useful design advice you should post a plan.

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  • 7 years ago

    Thank you all so much for your response. This is my first post and I am working on uploading a floor plan. I will try to get that up in the next day or so.

  • 7 years ago

    I appreciate the comments on the down draft ranges. That was our original plan and then yesterday, when my husband and I went appliance shopping (again) he threw the hood idea at me after reading some negative reviews about the down draft and venting the downdraft is a little more problematic than a hood vent. We were leaning towards the kitchen aide range as the Jenn-aire is a bit more in price. I know both our design options are workable it really comes down to which will look the best. I hope to have a floor plan up very soon. Thank you!


  • 7 years ago






    I have uploaded the three kitchen design options as well as the full floor plan of the apartment with two kitchen options for perspective.

    Details I am still working on:

    Location of the W/D unit? Inside my master closet? In the closet space but with access to them behind a barn door in the living area? Closer to the kitchen area in a closet?

    Do I need a closet in the guest bedroom? Is that space better used as a larger master bath?

    I need a coat closet close to the door. (this is apt is located in a snow area)

    Where do I put my mop/vacuum and cleaning supplies?


    Hopefully these plans will help with some ideas. The beautiful views are from the living room/ master bedroom side of the house (south) and also from the kitchen/dining/living windows. I am open to all comments , I think :), Thank you!

  • PRO
    7 years ago
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    Stove against outside wall layout. Saves $ to vent outside & gives room on island to spread out & entertain





    If doing island, keep at least 48" in front of fridge.







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  • PRO
    7 years ago

    The L shape peninsula is nice, too. Just find a better place for trash can.


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  • 7 years ago

    My preference to work in would be 2 or 3. I had an island range with nice view for years in last house & loved it. Started with Jen air the had a range with a telescope down draft. It was more effective than the JA.

  • 7 years ago
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    I would use Design 3 if the dimensions work; I'm not a fan of sitting at a counter and watching food cooking or sitting at a dining table and looking at someone's rearend hanging off of a barstool like it was a diner. I would put a panel at the end of the island so I wouldn't see the stools from that end either.

    Is the exterior door in the kitchen the main entrance? I think the house is too small to accommodate all the features you want. Its a plan from the 50's packed to the gills.

  • 7 years ago

    I would strongly advise against #3. The most valuable space in a kitchen is between the sink and cooktop - chichis where you naturally gravitate to prep / set things while you cook. That's the smallest counter space in the entire kitchen. I'd put the sink in the island and have a short run for the hood against the outer wall.

  • 7 years ago

    I would love to place the sink somewhere else but the placement of the window, which is already installed, is limiting where we can place the other essential appliances. What would you think about using design #3 but putting the range where the refrigerator is (short run of the L) and the refrigerator at the end of the long run? I could have a small island or movable cart with nothing on it.




  • 7 years ago

    RES- I understand that I am trying to put a lot into a small space. I agree that we could have an amazing one bedroom apartment with many bells and whistles and ample space but this is a remote property so it is important to have a second room to house family and friends who want to enjoy the property. My first apartment was a two bedroom unit and less than 800 sq feet so I know this is possible. I believe any of the plans I posted will "work" it is really just a matter of which is the better plan.

  • 7 years ago
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    OK, so the plan is tight and you are willing to live with some tightness. I would make he kitchen island a large clean work surface and let the entrance be tight since you live in the kitchen and not in the entryway.



    The 48" passage at the entry is larger than others I have designed. The tightest was at a curved island (38" widening to 42").

  • 7 years ago

    I like this plan a lot. I had sketched it out this way but wasn't sure it was really enough space. Thanks for taking the time to show the dimensions. My one concern about the refrigerator placement is whether of not it will make the kitchen feel "boxed" in when I am working in it. Maybe just when I am at the sink?.

    Question- could I put the DW next to the refrigerator without struggling with the DW door when it is open? I would most likely house my dishes and silver ware in drawers at that end of the island. It's nice to be able to move things straight from the DW into their storage spots without having to first put them on the island and close the DW door.

    I like the idea of the pantry. Do you have the space next to the pantry as a coat closet or the W/D?

    Thank you so much for responding and taking the time to sketch and upload. I am very, very appreciative.

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    The dimensions are quite approximate.

    I have an aversion to counters and islands that end and expose their choppy profile so I don't mind the refrigerator at the end of the counter and I would provide a panel at the end of the island. I think the refrigerator should be close to the dining table anyway.

    I would put the dishwasher to the left of the sink.

    I was unaware of the washer/dryer so that space is a closet but it could be anything if you have space for coats elsewhere.

    I would try to get the master bath plumbing fixtures off the exterior wall, add a window in their place and simplify the master closet, perhaps enough to add a closet in the living space.

  • 7 years ago

    I definitely agree with the finishing details on any end cabinets, under bar seating area or islands. As far as windows in the bathroom or anywhere on that side of the house-this is an upstairs apartment over a garage. The attached main house roof line makes it impossible to put windows on most of that side of the house. There is the possibility of adding transom windows in the bathroom area. I agree we have a lot of unused space in the walk in closet.