@Hummingbird Roses I strongly recommend you flower all of them to ID them, before you propagate them. i know of at least one nursery that got Marianne from RVR and has distributed it, but its not the right rose

Paul, I definitely will. Those that I've had for a while (Crested Damask, Gallicandy, Ellen Toffelmire, Rook, Golden Buddha, Pam's Choice, Castle Bravo) all look correct.

Those newer to me this year are: Dolly's Forever Rose, Umbra, Marianne, Hettie, Mel's Heritage, Jeri Jennings, Diablo Hawk, Dakota Redwing, Allegra, Joyce Barden. I have seen the blooms on Hettie, Joyce Barden, Jeri Jennings, Dolly's Forever & Mel's Heritage, Diablo Hawk, and Dakota Redwing, and I believe them to all be correct. Rook is 'fabulous"!!!! I love Diablo Hawk too! It's so yummy!!

Can Joyce Barden be identified by just the plant and leaves or does it have to flower to verify? I bought one too from RVR and would like to confirm.

Marianne from RVR ?

@The Rose Geek That doesn't look correct at all, no. At least, I've never seen it flower like that.

@Nola z5aWI No, sorry. I have to see a flower to accurately offer an ID.

Thank you @User 😀

@User Janet just called me to apologize and offer a replacement. That was thoughtful. She mentioned not wanting to upset you, and I didn’t mention that you knew already. :)

That looks a lot like my Polka, @The Rose Geek

Although under good conditions it has many more petals than the above photos and is gorgeous in its own right. It tends to look like the above photos when it's a bit hotter outside.

This is such a wonderful thread - very glad that more Barden roses are being put back in commerce!

Re RVR - I have been there too, although it was about 8-9 years ago. Janet was lovely and helpful, but I agree some of her employees had no idea what was what about roses. The "display gardens" were wild and wonderful - worth the visit. I came out ahead by accident - I had ordered Perle d"Or to be picked up at the nursery, and when I got there Janet was not there, and they could not find my order. A nice man walked all around, and finally found a Perle d'Or in a pot to sell to me, so I bought it and left. A week after I got home to CA, another Perle d"Or arrived at my house from RVR!

Jackie

Hi, Paul & Friends,

I am so excited about this thread!!! I’d like a few Paul Barden roses… I am on the wait list for Barbara Oliva, a moss. I read it repeats blooms some. Is this true? It sure is a heavenly beauty!

Photo from RVR…. I have ordered from them and received the correct roses before..

I think the pandemic hit many nurseries hard and they are recovering now….

@KittyNY6 'Barbara Oliva' does not repeat. I'm not sure where you found information to suggest that it does. But I'm glad you're going to grow it!

Thanks, Paul! Barbara Oliva is gorgeous! I am in Rogue Valley wait list for her! How are your efforts to locate your roses? I am excited to finally have one of your roses! Your roses are amazing! OGRs are the best!

@KittyNY6 "How are your efforts to locate your roses?"

I can't speak to that, since its Rick (@rideauroselad) who was pursuing this effort, not me.

I've lost a lot of my own named roses in the past 8 years (mostly thanks to the 2015 Deep Freeze) and I haven't attempted to replace them. I retired from rose breeding in 2010 and have not been directly involved in the business since. Two-thirds of the old collection (one acre of the property which housed about 3000 varieties) has either died from neglect (irrigation system failed years ago, and I no longer apply fungicides) or been subsumed by Blackberries. I have no place to put new roses anyway, if I were to get any of those old varieties back.

So hang on to whatever varieties you still have, because some of them may be irreplaceable. That's the way it goes with roses. I think about the hundreds of roses Ralph Moore created in his 70 years of breeding, many of which are now extinct. It doesn't take long, especially in a depressed market.

Paul. The Maryanne I got from you is looking amazing, so many new canes! I am in zone 6, I am thinking that after a few frosts, I might wrap her up in a breathable frost blanket. She is my favorite!
Colleen in Marblehead, Ma.

@ColleeninMHD 6a I'm glad its grown well for you, thanks for the feedback! Its a remarkably vigorous rose. Not many roses I know of that will make a 3-5 foot bush in its first year of growth.

As for winter protection, all reports I have received indicate that it will not need any special protection in a Zone 6 climate. Folks are reporting that it is cane hardy to the very tips in cold climates, so I think you don;t need to bother with wrapping it.

Does anyone here grow any of Paul's roses in a dry zone 5 climate? We have long winters with a lot of very dry wind, it's hard on plants. I'd love to know how the cane survival is for these roses in such a climate, since I know they were bred in a much wetter, relatively milder climate.

@Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b) If you can grow any of the Damasks and Gallicas in your garden without difficulty, then you can expect the same performance from any of the Gallica types I bred.

Thanks Paul, that's good to hear! I've only got one gallica and one damask that are very young and new but I'll be watching them to see how they do, with your roses in mind for the future :)

I'm in more mild climate but was certainly impressed with how much growth and how many blooms Marianne put out in just one year from being a band. A wonderful rose, indeed

Magpie, I think you would love it. It has a nice long bloom cycle, too. At least 5 weeks, I think.

Librarian, I've wanted Marianne for quite a while (and Allegra), but I wasn't able to get my hands on them over the last 2 years and now my garden is full. Some roses aren't doing as well as others so far, if they don't shape up I will eventually take them out and a spot will open up for one of these beauties. One day! :)

@Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b) I recall you inquiring about purchasing a plant of 'Marianne' from me in 2021 and again this past spring, but all the plants sold before you were able to make a decision about the purchase. So its fair to say that it was available to you, but you missed the opportunity :-)

Thank you @librarian_gardner_8b_pnw for the generous feedback, and the great photos! That rose is no slouch, that's for sure.

Marianne is definitely a grower. Now, if Deerlilah and Buckzilla will just leave her alone next Spring, I might get to enjoy her blooms. I lost every.single.bud this past Spring.

@fig_insanity Z7b E TN John, sorry to hear that. Here, we have 8 foot fence around EVERYTHING we value, to keep D & B away from it. We'd have nothing in our yard if we didn't fence it.

Paul, yes I do remember that :) I was trying to diligently ask questions to make sure the roses I bought were going to be appropriate for my garden, and while I was inquiring everyone else swooped in with the quickness. And I don't blame them one bit! Took all of about a few minutes for you to sell out, that must feel nice to have your rose creation be so loved.

"Took all of about a few minutes for you to sell out,"

Actually, it took about 5 days to sell out in both years. Sadly, I won't have any for next year - our weather went from 60 to 90 in 48 hours last May, and the cuttings all failed this year.

But I do have about ten plants of 'Allegra', which is the first time I've propagated it in nearly fifteen years!

Paul, I remember you saying that Allegra was hard to strike cuttings from, right? How exciting that there are more!!!! Might they be ready to ship in spring?

@Rideau Rose Lad Thank you Rick, for that update! I am very grateful for the effort you're making to archive these roses. Sadly, not even RVR has a surviving plant of 'Janet Inada' (so I'm told) so I doubt it will appear in their catalog any time soon. I no longer have it either.

@Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b) Yes, it can be difficult to root. Plants of 'Allegra' will be available for shipping in March or April of 2023, depending on where they are going. For west coast destinations, I can ship this fall.

Paul,

I am pretty certain that John has a mother plant of Janet Inada. He sent me a cutting this spring, so perhaps we will have to see if we can try again. I have no doubt he would supply you with a plant if you want to grow it yourself.

I plan to head down to the Huntingdon Beach area next March on a trip with friends. I will see if perhaps John has more rooted plants of JI. I was also very disappointed when the plant of Allegra he shipped succumbed to shock. I tucked the young plants of Jeri Jennings, Marianne and Oshun into a good mound of dry wood chips this morning in anticipation of another forecast cold winter. Time will tell.

Cheers, Rick

@Rideau Rose Lad Thanks so much for the update on the project. I don't think most people realize how important your work is, or how difficult!

I really enjoyed reading your update, Rick. What a big task. I'm sorry that quite a few roses didn't survive the transplant shock, but I'm so happy to hear about the ones that are doing well! Here's to them doing well through winter.

Thank you Rick.

I may pursue getting 'Janet Inada' back at some point, but right now, I have no safe* place to plant one.

*Safe = inside the deer-proof perimeter

Thank you Rick for your work propagating and saving these rare roses!

Wow, Rick. What a labor of love. I feel for John and his wife too.

I remember some rose friends want Paul's roses. RVR has some of them in stock. Here are what I see today:

Farside de Mills(Gallica)

Gallicandy(Gallica)

Sugar Jangle(Moss)

Fara Shimbo(Moss)

Sanibel(Miniature)

Black Jade(Miniature)

Little Butch(Miniature, Cl., Polyantha, Cl.)

Jeri Jennings(Hybrid Musk)

Robert’s Wondrous Ruthie(Hybrid Musk)

Pam’s Choice(Floribunda)

Hettie(Floribunda, Cl.)

Mel’s Heritage(Hybrid Wichurana)

Won Fang Yon(Tea)

Dolly’s Forever Rose(Shrub)

Incantation(Shrub)

Paul Barden I finally have a bloom on RVR's Joyce Barden. Could you please confirm that it is Joyce Barden?

@Nola z5aWI Sure. Show me a photo, please?

Edit: I've seen the photo, and as with previous reports, it is NOT 'Joyce Barden'. So I think its a reasonable assumption that RVR no longer has the correct rose to offer.

I have not gone through prior posts in this thread but i wanted to add (if it hasn’t been mentioned yet) that Peter at Freedom Gardens has a gorgeous Marianne in his garden. When i went to his Open Garden Days earlier this month she was absolutely BREATHTAKING. I took so many pictures of just this rose.

I've read Freedom Gardens is not shipping anymore, so only for pick up.

@LauraLG Z5b-NwPA Thank you for those photos. Spectacular in Peter's garden! For me, in this climate, it rarely leans that far orange.

@Nola I don't know about that. Peter's FAQ page still includes mantion of shipping fees. Ask Peter directly.

I thought he only ships in the Fall, Nola. Pickup only the rest of the year.

I hope your right, I have an order with him.

Forgot to mention in my other recent Summerland Ornamental Gardens update post. We now have a number of Paul's varieties going into their second summer in the Gardens. They include:

Marianne, Galicandy, Oshun and Jerry Jennings. I have Treasure Trail in my own collection that I very nearly lost to the winter. But it is alive, albeit struggling a bit and I hope it will come back over the summer. It to will go into the Summerland collection if it lives.

We also have stuck cuttings of Allegra, Barbara Oliva, Marianne, Mel's Heritage, Oshun and Janet Inada that are about 6 weeks in the pots now. So, it is our hope that we will be able to add most of these to the collection as well.

Cheers, Rick

Any update to this project? Please let us know!

Sorry for the late reply to your query Joe. I haven't been on the forum much over winter, busy with other things.

I did go up to the Summerland Ornamental Gardens yesterday to do a quick check on the roses. We had a very difficult winter with a warm November and December, and in early January a sudden flash freeze with temperatures as low as -27 C for a week or so. It is still late winter here and the soil is yet frozen to a degree. Summerland is rated as zone 6b, but we had 5a temeratures with strong arctic catabatic winds and wind chill during the cold snap.

So, on to the roses. Most of them will be going into their 3rd growing season this summer, and so are still immature plants. I am happy to report that all of them survived. Many have quite a bit of cane damage, but they all have live cane close to the ground and some have swelling buds already.

The collection at the Gardens consists of the following: Marianne, Gallicandy, Oshun, Jerry Jennings and Treasure Trail. We also have Allegra, Janet Inada, Mel's Heritage and Won Fang Yon in the greenhouse at Fraser Valley Rose Farm in Deroche. I will continue to look for viable opportunities to acquire more varieties if feasible, but won't be actively seeking them out.

We imported six cuttings of each, along with many more early Austin varieties and a few other hard to find varieties last spring. Jason stuck the cuttings and has been growing them on over winter. I have not spoken with Jason for a month or so, but he is doing an inventory and I will know in a few weeks what took.

As well as putting Paul's Plants into the collection at Summerland, Jason will be growing Barden varieties as well and will no doubt have some for sale in Canada in a few years. We too will propagate from the plants in the Summerland collection when the mother plants are mature enough. We will sell our resulting plants at our spring plant sale and our annual Rose Tour held in June. The proceeds will go to help support the Ornamental Gardens.

So by my count, we have nine of Paul's varieties in the two Canadian collections. They should be secure for a long time in our Public Garden, which is now 110 years old. We of course were unable to get all of the varieties that we might have liked, but we did pretty well in my books. Because the whole idea of the project was to secure and currate some of Paul's varieties in a safe place, I guess we have a success. An additional intent was to allow us to propagate and share these lovely plants with others. Jason will be able to do that better than we can at the Gardens in the next few years and may in fact eventually begin shipping to the US as his new nursery grows. But again, that will be a few years down the road. Even propagating plants for sale here in Canada is still a year or two away. But then this project started in 2019 and we are now entering year six, but we are on the road to reaching our long term goals.

I know many on the forums are familiar with Jason through his You Tube Videos and website. he is young, energetic and a cutting edge nurseryman and Rosarian who shares my passion for preserving rare, garden worthy varieties. For those of you in Canada, check out his website and support him if you can.

That all sounds like a success to me Rick.

Rogue Valley Roses here in Oregon just sent me this restock notice with some of

Paul's roses.

I'm not seeing Unconditional Love listed here, I'm pretty sure its a Barden Rose. It's a mini moss red with good repeat. There's a decent picture on help me find It grew to a little over 2 feet tall for me last year. The flowers don't have much rose scent, but there's a lot of them they have a lot of moss scent which is fun. It has pretty good repeat and has been healthy and hardy in my zone 5B chicagoland garden. Its definitely worthy of preserving. I can send some cuttings this growing if you need them.

Thanks for the offer Al. Yes Unconditional Love is a gorgeous little rose, I have seen it grown in California. Unfortunately, there is the matter of the international border that precludes shipping cuttings across the border. That involves expensive inspection fees, border inspections and delays and a lot of logistics, Jason and I have imported a lot of rooted roses and cuttings from California over the past 5 years. But to make it worthwhile we have to import large numbers of cuttings all at once.

Once again, thanks for the offer. I know there are a few other small boutique nurseries in the US that are growing some of Paul's roses. Besides RVR, there is Hummingbird Roses in Michigan and I believe Freedom Gardens in Ohio. So there are a few other sources for other varieties in the US.

Once again, thank you for your kind offer.

Cheers, Rick

allegra and gallicandy are on sale at rogue valley now, i picked up both for the spring.