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Need opinion and advice on sloppy glass subway tile backsplash install

6 years ago









We recently used a big-box home improvement store for a glass backsplash install. When the installer arrived, he expressed surprise that he was supposed to install glass subway tile and said he wasn’t told by his boss. Nonetheless, he proceeded to do the work, grumbling and complaining the whole time that working with glass tile was difficult. Other than that, he seemed to be a generally pleasant and otherwise quiet worker.


He cut the subway tiles by hand. The backsplash was only about 25% completed at the end of the first day and the installer kept telling us that he needed to finish by the second day because he had another job scheduled afterwards. Again, he complained that he would’ve finished more of the installation if he had known ahead that he was installing glass tiles.


After he left, we got a better look at his work thus far and immediately could see that not only were the hand-cut tiles jagged, but the grout lines were somewhat haphazard. The grout spacing was strangely non-existent or extremely thin in some places, but clearly wider in other sections.


More perplexingly, where the tile actually meets the countertop, in some places there’s some grout, but in the area behind the sink and faucet, the tile sits directly on the counter. No grout, no silicone.

I called the owner of the contractor’s company and explained my concerns with the uneven spacing and grout lines, the jagged tile cuts, and the fact that his worker did not seem prepared to install glass subway tiles. The owner reassured me that the installer was his best worker and to let him finish the job and wait for the finished project to see if it looks much better upon completion.


The second day, the installer brought a tile-cutting machine which did allow him to work much faster and apparently with more accuracy. The grout lines for the rest of the installation were much better, but it was obvious he was rushing the job in order to finish that day, which he did.


Upon closer inspection of the rest of the installation, my husband and I found multiple instances of sloppiness, missing grout, and a couple of chipped tiles. We also noticed that the worker must have washed his tools in our brand new sink because there were small grout chips and other detritus that had to be scrubbed and wiped out of the basins. In fact, that night, our new pipes clogged up completely. To our shock, our plumber found “tile-related debris” as the cause. The installer’s company reimbursed us for the plumbing costs.


Sorry for all the extraneous details, but it’s in support of our impression that this was not an acceptable backsplash job. We notified the big-box store and they said the contractor must remedy everything. Unfortunately, the contractor insists that the very same installer be the one to come back out to fix his mistakes. We’re really uncomfortable with this arrangement but the big-box store said there’s nothing they can do about who the contractor wants to send out.


So this brings me to my 3 questions:


1. Does glass subway tile just sit directly on top of the countertop? The installer told us we had to put silicone along the front bottom of the tile. Does any caulking go under the bottom of the countertop-level tile? If so, OMG that might mean a more extensive re-do of the backsplash.


2. Are spacers used to install subway tile backsplashes? The installer was literally just slapping the tiles onto the wall, working as quickly as he could. He never asked us about what we preferred for spacing.


3. Since we really don’t want to deal with this installation contractor anymore due to lack of confidence in their work, would it be unreasonable to request a partial refund of our money from the big-box store so we can hire another contractor to do the necessary repairs?


Apologies, again, for the long post. I would really super-appreciate any advice or opinions. I've never had a backsplash installed before so I didn't know what to expect other than basic craftsmanship, not necessarily perfection. Please help... Thank you Houzzers!

Comments (6)

  • 6 years ago

    What Sina said. Hopefully you paid with a credit card and can dispute it with them too. Then go to a reputable tile store to get glass tile.

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Complete tear down and do over. Sorry. And per your last paragraph, absolutely expect perfection.

    As a near and dear former Houzzer would say "This isn't a lopsided wedding cake."

    And stop apologizing. Get tough with this "owner."

  • 6 years ago

    You know bad work when you see it - and this is it!

    Upon arrival and finding out he was doing glass tiles, why did he not leave to get the proper cutting tools? Red flag. And yes, typically there are spacers, and tiles are set before grouting, so you could have been consulted about placement etc, and inspected prior to grouting. Another red flag. Someone who complains when they do work in your home, isn't going to do a good job. Yet another red flag.

    I learned the hard way in doing home renovations if you don't speak up, people try to get away with a lot, or won't do work up to your standards - unless you have a great general contractor who shares your same high standards. I think as the homeowner you have to be proactive; you always have to inspect and ask questions, during the job and definitely before you pay anything - or hold out a certain percentage until you inspect finished work.

    I guess you can try and dispute the payment, if you used a credit card and then request that the contractor to remedy the situation. Of if you paid the big box store, dispute the charge with them until you get satisfaction. Keep going up the food chain! I've heard so many bad stories about big box store work, tough lesson. I hope you get it resolved. Keep us posted.

  • PRO
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    What Sina said.

    At least he knew to use unsanded grout. what he did NOT do, was use enough of it and clean it well enough. Have you shown any of these pictures to his boss or HD? HD just contracts out to a tile company. Usually a budget company. you pay HD to be the middleman, of course. people don't know this. You could have picked anyone online and saved yourself the fee to HD.

    Anyway, the slivers in your corner tells me he did not do a dry layout w/the tile. This should be done ahead of time to avoid that issue. He was rushed and gave you rushed results.

    Can you post a pick of the entire view so I can see the overall look?

    as for the tiles on the countertop, (and yes, spacers should have been used throughout) you can see where he got grout in a portion of the space, which has cracked. Unsanded grout is only good for up to 1/8". (not that the joint is bigger than that, i'm just stating a fact. it appears that grout on the bottom was too dry. any movement or settling and the grout will crack)

    That entire bottom joint needs to be siliconed in the matching grout color. Ditto for the corners. silicone. grout does not go in joints where the planes change.

  • 6 years ago

    Dawn - yes, red flags that we mistakenly ignored because the backsplash was the last piece of the kitchen remodel and we were so crazy-tired at that point. I used my credit card for that portion, so good to know I can dispute it if I get no cooperation.


    Beth - LOL how did you know we used HD? We also used the Other big-box store for our flooring and were so impressed by that store's impeccable installation, so we took a chance with HD because only they stocked the color tile I wanted.


    Here are more photos. The last one is the corner behind the microwave. Generally, his worst cuts are the tiles along the underside of the cabinets. On the second day, we had the installer replace several tiles that were so obviously badly cut or chipped.


    The owner of the company did come out to see what needed to be fixed. HD, however, said they did not need photos, but it looks like we're going to insist they come out. Especially since, based on everyone's comments, we're going to request a refund from HD.


    There are probably much worse tile jobs than what happened to us, but the bottom line is: should we settle for less than total satisfaction, even if it is from a big box store?