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New Products - Miracle Grow Organics and Scotts Soil Improver

6 years ago

I'm always looking for new (or old products that I might have missed) to improve my soil and plants.

Tractor Supply just got in a new Miracle Grow Performance Organics fertilizer in three different size/formulas in a new distinct black container. Unfortunately I did not have my 'readers' on and hubby was nowhere to be found so I could only vaguely read the contents. I could decipher that the nitrogen comes from soy protein hydralate (?) plus bone meal, rock phosphate and other stuff. I was particularily interested in the water soluble formula to use on my seedlings and greenhouse stock. It is hard to imagine true rock phosphate and bone meal being totally water soluble unless they have been treated with something nonorganic to make them such. A slurry maybe but not totally water soluble. I went online to see if I could get any more information from the Scotts site but not much help.

Ace Hardware now has a Scotts product which I have not seen before. It's Scott's Foundation Soil Improver. On sale right now for $30.00 for 5000 sq ft. I thought it was for areas specifically along house foundations but it's not. It's for improving the foundation of your soil. So sounds good. Went to the Scott site and no information on the contents. Went to Ace and at least they got part of the contents listed - Biochar, azomite and A...description ends abruptly. Biochar sounds interesting - Mother Earth tells you how to make it by digging a trench and burning brush and weeds and then smothering the fire with a thin layer of dirt until they smoke and make charcoal. But they also state "Biochar alone added to poor soil has little benefit to plants, but when used in combination with compost and organic fertilizers it can dramatically improve plant growth while helping retain nutrients in the soil". Organic Gardening was less impressed and said biochar is overrated and quotes statements from Humus and Agriculture Journal that 'claims of 1000 year stability is actually 10-100 years or roughly the same as compost.' A symposium on biochar was so inconclusive that the only thing they accomplished was removing the bio from biochar and renaming the substance plant charcoal. Whoopee! Wonder who paid for that? On to Azomite - 'contains 70 minerals and trace elements. Used as a remineralization for soils and anti-caking agent in animal feeds.' Walmart has it apparently ($13.59? for 5lbs) or you can order it through them. Comes from Utah volcanic fields. Am I impressed or will I buy it? Probably not. But I had to do a lot of research to come up with the information that was not provided by the manufacturer.

Comments (12)

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    There's quite a bit about Azomite on the Organic Rose Forum if I remember correctly. Try doing a search there. It's something that can be put around the bush and it filters down. Again, that's my recall which may be faulty. I never used it.

    lkayetwvz5 thanked Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    I’ve read all the “yes, Biochar” and “no, Biochar” stuff out there, but just decided to try it. I do see much stronger, healthier growth where I’ve used it. I bought plain Biochar and charged it with earthworm castings from my wormbin. The roses and strawberries I’ve used it on seemed to want less fertilizer than the plants nearby without it. I agree with what K S said, that it’s a good way to build OM in our sandy, nutrient-leaky soil, along with other types of OM. I was attracted to Biochar for its longevity, since our soil doesn’t hold onto much for long. I’m adding it to all my planting holes as I put in this year’s roses, so we’ll see! :-)

    lkayetwvz5 thanked Perma n’ Posies/9A FL
  • 6 years ago

    Ah yes - the reason I decided not to get too excited about it at present was that our soil is heavy clay. I have always used wood ash from our wood stove which always contains small chunks of what could be called plant charcoal. And I dug some ash from our big brush burn pile last year and used it because I didn't have enough from the stove. I think I'll just stick to that.

  • 6 years ago

    Biochar does seem interesting, but it's so expensive ; at least here, I'd have to buy it on Amazon...

  • 6 years ago

    How much energy does it take to create or is it a by-product of some other process?

  • 6 years ago

    You can make it yourself by drying and then burning yard waste from your garden. The stuff that is sold is probably mostly scraps from other industries, like this product that uses the byproducts of a lumber mill: https://pacificbiochar.com/how-to-make-biochar-with-only-a-match/

  • 6 years ago

    If your greenhouse stock is being grown in a potting mix, don't bother with organics. Grow mixes won't support the microbial life needed to break down organics.

    Organics are the bomb-- but only for plants being grown in real LIVE dirt!

  • 6 years ago

    I'm confused about what biochar exactly is; I've seen/read on Internet contradictory things. Some say that it's easy to make yourself, whilst others say that you need a special, air-tight container,and that it's a sort of complicated process... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svNg5w7WY0k 

  • 6 years ago

    My permaculture group did a workshop on using Biochar, and what I remember was that yes, you can make your own, but you won’t get as much micro-friendly charcoal. The slow, low-oxygen burn is what creates the most beneficial charcoal, because it leaves open cells for bacteria and fungi to colonate in. That’s the gain in putting it in the soil, so you can concentrate these microbial benefits where you are growing. So I guess if you’re making your own, you just apply more to offset any over-cooked charcoal? It sounded like a lot of work to make my own, and without a microscope I wouldn’t know if I had made it correctly, so I just bought it. :-)

  • 6 years ago

    I'm with Bart - what is the difference between charcoal and biochar? How to make charcoal is a description of historic charcoal making. The charcoal was used to fuel an 18th century ironworks in southeastern Pennsylvania, and is the same process of partially burning wood by depriving the fire of oxygen. I understand this is the same stuff currently sitting in a bag in my garage waiting for the weather to turn, and my DH to start barbecuing again

  • 6 years ago

    I wonder if traditional charcoal would work similarly if it were pulverized. That might be easier for Bart to find in Italy. It might also be worth it to just buy a very small bag of pre-made biochar and test it out in one area to see if it helps before moving forward with more large-scale biochar schemes. ;)

  • 6 years ago

    You just want to make sure it’s put charcoal. Some products have chemicals added to increase heat, etc. I think Trader Joe’s sells all-charcoal briquettes. :-)

  • 6 years ago

    You just want to make sure it’s pure charcoal. Some products have chemicals added to increase heat, etc. I think Trader Joe’s sells all-charcoal briquettes. :-)

  • 6 years ago

    It's easy to find charcoal for grilling here; not the "briquettes",just black,partially-burnt wood. It's not expensive, so I could see buying some just to use as organic matter.